PLEASE please let me disable camera view oh please such a little thing

All I want to do is draw my curtains, when you think about it. Just to stop people looking in with telescopes. You might think that's silly but - well, I'm English, and my home is my castle...

All I want is to be able to turn off the long-distance camera function on my own land.

It does, of course, have the incidental advantage of solving about 90% of the fears about exposing inappropriate things to inappropriate people, and accidentally seeing things you'd rather not, and fearing that people might be spying on you, and people actually spying on you, and being tempted to spy on other people, and invasions by 'view-and-sit', and COMPLETELY undermining all the new rules (whether you agree with them or not).

Technically possible? These guys are BRILLIANT! Of COURSE they can do it.
Practical? The most practical thing that can possibly be done.
Ethical? You bet.


What about it, peeps? Is this, maybe, a topic that can unite the pros and the antis, the cynics and the visionaries, the moral majority and the immoral minority (or vice versa), the Americans and the Canadians, the 1st world and the 2nd and the 3rd, the capitalists and the revolutionaries, the smooth and the furry, the men and the women and the others?

Just a simple request - not an overthrow of the system.

Just let us have the option to turn off the long distance camera when we want to, into and within our own land. Go on Lindens, you know you can do it! You know it makes sense!

Just let me draw my curtains, that's all I want. A modest proposal that will encourage fair play, decency, respect for each other's dignity, respect for Lindens, calm, modesty economic stability and social peace.

PLEASE!

This was a HEATED discussion a while back. The prevailing view seems to be it's not technically an easy thing to do, it can be easily overridden due to open source and anyone who wants Real Privacy in SL is a Kook who has no business being here.

Yours truly,
Kook # 42.

That makes me kook #43 then.... probably kook #43,768

Speaking as the Professor's partner here - I don't call him Professor, Lol! - I am also a KOOK - I dont want intrusive people sneaking looks at me or what I do - I think we ARE entitled to a private life even in SL.
Signed,
Yours truly,
Jig KOOKY Chippewa.

It is technically very difficult.

Here's why: At the moment, when you arrive at a sim, SL sends *all* the data about that sim to your client. Once the client has that data, it can display it. Since the client is now open source, as soon as the data goes to the client it is out of any control of SL or LL or the server.

The only way to make it possible to draw your curtains and be impossible to see in would be to just not send that data to the client. But that would require the server to do a huge amount of work to work out exactly what your curtains blocked and what they didn't, etc.

Halting camera movement is basically impossible.

However, back when we had a voting system for new features, I proposed a "privacy pocket" that would offer the complete privacy you're looking for.

In essence, it was a space at around the usual skybox level (650 to 768 meters) over your land that you could set to "private", allowing in only avatars on your access list. Only those whos avatars were within that space would be send information on avatar position, animations, textures, prims, chat, etc. Everyone who had an avatar outside that space would get no information at all, making the space essentially invisible, save for ban lines around it.

Since the privacy happened on the server side, client hacks would not let folks get around it.

The proposal was "accepted", as it received enough votes, but hasn't been implemented at all, despite Andrew Linden saying it could be in two-three days of coding, and a few weeks testing.

I suggest everyone interested in this sort of privacy send in a few polite emails. =^.^=

Thank You, Yumi and Jillian for explaining that, in a sane way. Something that didn't seem to happen during the debate. Now the pie throwing can begin.

It's a worderfully sensible request, that I would heartily like to see.

Which means it is highly unlikely that anyone at LL will even consider it.

The technical difficulties might be great, especially since they already let all the cows out of the barn by open-sourcing the client. But I really think they need to face that challence and surmount it, or all their verifications and promises will be meaningless.

In addition to the Privacy Pocket proposal, there is another helpful JIRA proposal (SVC-99) to create "3D permission zones" that would enhance privacy, including visual privacy, very considerably at any location. People should vote for it at:

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-99

Also, a "meta-proposal exists on JIRA (SVC-241) that pulls together all the privacy-related proposals on JIRA. Everyone who prefers not to live in a fish-bowl should check it out and vote for it and all the related proposals found there that seem useful. It is at:

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-241

Not. Going. To. Happen.

See search term: kiddie porn.

I'm soooo not a Kook. I've nothing to hide in SL. As a matter of fact, if you just tp me, I'll pose, au naturel, for anyone... I find it ridiculous that anyone is prudish enough to be concerned about an AV's virtual body parts. That, or maybe some seriously twisted behaviour that they want to keep hidden yet they can't resist to put it out IN PUBLIC by expressing them in SL. LOL

"You can't hide from the Cosmos..."
by Mona Ramsey (Tales of the City)

Exactly how the last conversation on this topic turned into a war. Thank you SOOOO much for sharing

Sorry for been the spoiler at the Prude Anonimous Convention. Now I'll just pick up my popcorn and soda and leave quietly...

No prob. Just take them to the next meeting of The Society for the Advancement of Peeping Toms and Other Creeps.

Not that either of us is implying anything, right? O.O

I don't see it happening either, but would love it in place.

Kook #69 reporting in.

~Jessy

Are you a Prude, or trying o hide Seriously Twisted Behavior. It's important to determine what color T Shirt you get.

As others have pointed out, with the client being open source now, it is not possible to control what it will show (of the information which has been sent to the client).

And since everything is rendered by the client, it should also be possible to create a version of the client which could have an option called something like "Do not render clothes" or "Use transparrent textures for clothes".

This would make the user of such a client see all avatars as naked

Who knows, maybe it's already out there

Prude? ME?!? *cues near insane laughter* ahem.....nope, not hiding anything *puts leather cuffs behind back*

~Jessy

P.S. Can I have the pink T-shirt with the little white poka-dots on it?

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There should be a special forum for the smug.

With that attitude, nothing would ever change.

Actually, this _isn't_ possible.

When you wear clothes in Second Life, the server combines your skin plus all the clothes you're wearing into a SINGLE texture, which is the only one actually placed on your avatar. (This process is called "texture baking" - thus the "rebake textures" option.) It does this so that a) things load faster, and b) people can't steal the textures on clothing worn by other avatars.

So you could see everyone as grey, but you can't reduce people to their skins, because the skin alone is never sent to the client (unless the avatar actually is naked of course )

This IS the special forum for the smug. Any hopes of actual privacy in SL were dashed when investigations began into the trading of child porn. In order to give you privacy, LL would also be giving them privacy to operate. There are worthy windmills to tilt at, this is not one of them.

I don't think that follows Isablan. If you want privacy you can just get yourself your own private island and not allow general access. If what you say were true, then why are sims allowed to be closed to general access?

This already happened once after the client went open source. The person who did it sold the modified client that viewed everyone naked on slexchange. It didn't last long, the lindens countered it by redoing how the textures got baked and sent so you didn't receive the body texture then the baked clothing layer.

It would be one thing for LL and maybe even RL law-enforcement poking around looking for child porn. It is quite another for random or even maleficent Residents doing the same. Besides people's personal issues, there are businesses who might use SL as a platform for interacting with clients and who would not like to be spied upon by competitors when they do. Not to mention having noobs with 3-ft. dongs walking through their meetings.

Plus now there are people who offer counselling of various kinds via SL who might like to preserve confidentiality.

I think this is a problem LL is going to have to resolve.