Satyr (R.I.P) Gallery

If you know that to be a fact, and you know their alts, it's your duty to report this to LL so that they stop crashing the entire world and harming the people in it.

I find the Galery higly offensive, it makes me angry to see it posted on the LL web. Since the general theme seems to be "penis builds, offensive politicical statement, and killings/murcer scenes" I don't thinks its right to post the link here. Since inciting anger is against the TOS/CS.

I would age check any accounts that were created right after this.

No matter what, there is no excuse for breaking the TOS. Great Job LL I know it's got to be a very tough job right now.

Hugz all the Lindens;

Cat

The closest thing I could find to that is in the Community Standards


They did none of that.

Well why did you go and look then!? That's why I gave a clear warning, which you chose to ignore!

I am now being harassed in-game by this Prokofy Neva person. I do not want contact with him/her and now he/she is invading my privacy and trying to ruin my enjoyment of Second Life. This person is the only griefer I have ever encountered :

"[6:24] Prokofy Neva: (Saved Sun Sep 24 12:45:41 2006) Hey, here's some "art" from your little griefer friends that they put on my property to menace me -- even Lindens find it abusive under the TOS -- yeah, when art comes to you, it's no longer art; art should stay on its sim."

thanks for the gallery, arahan

too much! i wish i had known about this place when it was still up

There's no use arguing with the person who's bothering you at the moment, Arahan, because that person can be quite stubborn and vocal about their ideas, and can pursue ideological vendettas in the strangest ways against the strangest things. For example, I've been baffled by this person's logical conflation of bdsm mores with cunning power consolidation in the political aspects of SL. The two have nothing to do with each other except in this person's mind. Everyone has a right to their opinion, though, so the best thing you can do is mute and ignore them if they're pestering you.

As for this Voted 5 thing, what any person or group does in a sim that they own entirely is their business, IMO. If their idea of art is offensive to others, the answer is simple; don't visit that sim.

On the other hand, any individual or group who thinks that they can take their "performance art" outside of their own sim and force it onto other people in ways that most of us would consider to be griefing are IMO in violation of the *spirit* of the TOS. Anyone who purposefully works to annoy other residents or to somehow disrupt the enjoyment of SL by other people in their ways is deserving of being banned. It's really that simple. If LL did their forensic work carefully and they're sure that these 60 individuals were tied to the recent wave of grid attacks or other documented griefing reports, then it's good riddance to them regardless of how they might have brought harmless genius to the world in other artistic ways.

Regarding the protests of innocence of some of the affected ex-residents, all I can say is that LL has "god" tools and the database/log search capability to understand relationships and causes in ways that we as residents can never hope to. So my money is on LL for making the right call; not on the protestations of people who were knowingly associated with a group who had members who planned events that could be construed as griefing.

In my experience, any group that regularly visits and hangs out and does stuff together in SL inevitably talks about the "fun things" they did in SL. Griefers love to boast about their latest exploit. I've seen this behavior first-hand in my 15 months in SL. Whenever such people do this around me, I do my best to educate them why so many people *hate* griefers and why they really ought to knock it off regardless of how "fun" and "harmless" they might think it is. My point here is that if I found myself a member of Voted 5 or The /b/rotherhood of the /b/lade or any other group that was founded at least in part to perform annoying acts in SL, I would quickly remove myself from them once it became clear what at least a part of their nature and activties were about. Common sense would dictate that sooner or later you would be at risk yourself for association with such a group.

As for people bashing on Arahan, though, whether here or in game, hey knock it off already. Arahan has a right to his opinion as well. He has never defended any griefing; he has only lamented the loss of creative art from SL and the possibility of censorship and/or wrongful banning by LindenLab. You can't seriously blame him for that or harrass him; if you do, YOU are indeed guilty of TOS violation and yourself of being a "griefer" of sorts.

Can cross climbing turn from sport to performance art if you push the boundary far enough?

"Never" is such loaded and overused word it no longer has much meaning. Nor application, for that matter.

Thank you, Arahan, for the slide show. While some of the images were a bit disturbing (Ronald McDonald has always given me nightmares), I can say with a heavy heart it is a shame that the sim is gone. Art, in any form and on any level, is a precious commodity and one of the only true glimpses into an individual's mind. I was a student in an accreditted art college when the Taliban destroyed the giant Buddha's in the middle east. It wrenched my heart to see such works gone from the world, at the hands of people too intolerant to look past their own feelings. Ask a religious person if they think less of "God" for creating the rattlesnake or shark, and you may find yourself in an interesting conversation. It also concerns me to see an entire sim such as Satyr gone, while other sims with more troubling content remain (the social implications of a Gorean sim are quite scary when compared with free expression).

I do find comfort, however, in the fact that SL is but one outlet for the mind and that I may someday see other pieces of art from the individuals who have been banned from this community. The what and why behind their banning, I will not make assumptions about. We are in a world created and owned by a specific group of individuals and their decisions are what we must stand by. I can, however, join you in expressing dissatisfaction at those decisions and the gravity of their actions. But fear not, you are not alone here, and even those who disagree with your concerns, or are offended at your attempt to educate, cannot dilute the truth of your words.

It is a sad day to have creations destroyed. And I thank you for sharing what record you have of them.

For the record, the link in the OP is fine so long as sutable warning is given with regards to the content, which it was. (Posting explicit pics directly on the forum is not allowed though.)

This really isn't the best place to get into a debate on the subject though.

I originally stumbled upon Satyr quite by accident, I think at the time the sim was subtitled "All your base.."

I arrived there without any preconceptions, having no clue about Voted 5 or any of the associated history. What immediately caught my attention, amongst all the poo and penises, was the KFC parody, being a militant vegetarian myself this struck me as a powerful statement against the fast food industry and intensive farming methods. In a later project, the "Friendly Abusement Park", they continued this political theme with the McDonalds display and I was hugely impressed that whoever created it had gone out on a limb to get their message across.

Since that first visit I followed with interest the different themes at the sim and the messages behind the work, this is why I am so sad to see it go.

Thanks to everyone who has responded with intelligent critique, constructive advice, comments and encouragement.

*Hi Elle, I posted the link here originally simply to share the images I had collected, as I am a resident and the link is hosted on my website that seemed to fit the "resident-run websites" section. I did not intend to turn it into the debate it has evolved into. Perhaps a moderator can move the thread to a more suitable location?

I stand by Arahan on this issue and his right to his (what appears to be) informed opinion.
It seems obvious that some action was needed in this situation, but the guys who are shooting the messenger should think again.
It might be YOU next in line when someone doesn't agree with your expression, then you'll be looking round for someone like Arahan. People like him are falling like flies, individuals who are (were) willing to take the time and energy to stand up for something, anything. Against all odds Arahan, I still think you are fighting the good fight here. Pandora




For those who stubbornly seek freedom, there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination. These are easy to perceive in the totalitarian societies, much less so in the system of 'brainwashing under freedom' to which we are subjected and which all too often we serve as willing or unwitting instruments. Noam Chomsky

hmmm.... How can I best support my dear friend Arahan here? I suppose I could try to counter his 'adversary" with a plethora of multisyllabic words. But I choose not to stoop to those tactics of brandishing vocabulary in the hopes it will make me appear more articulate and knowledgeable about matters of life (and art) than I am.

Instead, I will simply say this: I have known Arahan from his very first days in SL and to those who would forgo the joy of knowing him and his passion for creativity and artistic expression and his profound sense of fair play...

Eat yer art out, 'unny!

Prokofy Neva: don't harass someone in SL because you disagree with their opinion in the Forums.

This thread is now hopelessly derailed.

Fushichou Mfume: yours was the best summing up of the thread and very wise words

What Linden or resmod decided to give this thread five stars?

coco

You are inciting my anger, THEY SHOULD BAN YOU!!

Look guys, this guy broke a rule! ban! ban! ban!

Guess what. Anybody can star-rate this thread. I just gave it a zero.

coco

Thanks to my friends Ryntha, Mox, Kumi, Pandora, Jacqueline and Vivianne. Wow Vivi, your first ever post in three years! I am truly honoured!

Fushichou, you talk much sense and I agree with many of your points.

There is little I can add to this debate now without repeating myself or what others have said, I think it's time for me to take a step back from this now, as no matter how clear I have tried to be my original intention keeps getting distorted.




"To get to the fruit of the tree you have to go out on a limb"

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Since someone said they do not know of anything this group did to get banned, I would like to speak from my own experience. It first started with someone leaving large prim boxes in my Texture store in Ranunculus, which is the sim directly north of Satyr. These would be left right at the doorway and had a large cartoon picture of one man or boy giving another naked man a blow job. My store is in a PG sim and I was horrified to think that it was the first thing my customers saw when they landed and even more horrified that they might think I left it there on purpose. I would have thought it was a random drop and not meant to target my store, but then, how did theyalways land at the same place, right in my store doorway?

I immediately reported it to the Lindens and received the standard, "We're taking care of it" message and heard no more about it.

Time passed and I would be indundated by more of these obscene boxes, usually quite a few and between myself and my friend, who owns the property next door, we were kept busy getting rid of them.

After a while, an enormous white square appeared over our sim and the other eight neighboring sims with a pink square in the center directly over Satyr. I had no idea that the porn boxes on my property had anything to do with Satyr until I saw that this same picture was the very same one that was on the boxes left on my property. I began to make the connection.

We were the most concerned with the white squares over our land as my store profits decreased by $17,000 per day and has remained that way until now. I am not sure if the map being obscured had anything to do with this but it seems coincidental that it happened at exactly the same time as the "protest" by Satyr started.

One day, we were quite excited to see the map back to normal and our property in clear view again. This did not last long. The next day I arrived on my property to find 335 objects that were not mine. These consisted of dice, scooters, an entire house, chairs, etc strewn all over the place and onto my neighbor's land which is in front of my store's front door. We were able to return everything except the junk that was on my neighbor's which is someone who doesn't play that often. I IM'd Live Help and they came to look but said they could do nothing about what was on the neighbor's property, I would have to try and get ahold of them somehow and Good Luck.

I was left with sending the neighbors an IM, hoping they still played. Thankfully they showed up after a week and removed it but in the meantime, my customers and I had to look at a bunch of litter lining the path to my front door.

The very next day we noticed the map having that same large white square back on it again. My friend called Live Help again. She also had reported numerous "grief bombings" that had knocked her from her property when I wasn't there.

I do not personally know anyone from Satyr or have anything to do with them but this has been the experience I have had and hope that this helps to clarify some of the reasons why the Lindens might have done what they did.

Hi Lauren,

You laid out the facts and presented your case calmly which goes a long way when trying to have a civilised debate.

I too was spammed multiple times by the altered 'King of the Hill' texture last week, it was quite annoying as I was trying to build at the time, I switched myself to busy mode in the end but by that time I had received about 20. I wasn't offended by it, I just thought it was a bit crap and not that funny. I have no idea where it came from, although it did say the creator was Prokofy Neva...

I totally appreciate how you and many others would be disgusted by it and few people would condone that kind of behaviour. Leaving objects on your land is unaceptable and obviously caused you distress by invading your privacy and affecting your business.

But were all of the members of Voted 5 responsible or even aware that this happened? It seems not but I doubt if any of us will ever really know the full truth. It's unfortunate when decent peoples enjoyment of Second Life is affected and obviously yours was by these incidents.

Whilst sympathetic to your cause, I still support and admire the creative work I often witnessed at Satyr and I have never personally been targeted by griefers.

I've never known what that particular acronym means.

But here it is, my tribute to Satyr and V5.

http://forums.secondcitizen.com/showthread.php?t=3119

Fuck you Prok, thanks to your one jackass campaign against all people you perceived to have sleighted you at one point in time, note use of the word "Perceived" several people who haven't even logged in in 3 months have been banned.

Congratufuckinlations for standing up for the little man you lovely freedom fighter you. Have you heard yourself talk at any point? Do you read the vomitous bullshit that comes puling out of your fingers any point you post? I'm surprized people don't line up to grief you. Hell I could probably sell tickets to the shit.

I'm tired of you playing some innocent little angel that doesn't deserve half of the crap that lands on your head at one point or another. I've sat and watched you in several forums and see nothing but the most putrid bile come out of your yap at any given moment, I've never seen you post anything constructive, useful or even dare I say it friendly anywhere. And yet you have the nerve, nay the gall to wonder why people want to punch you in the face all the time?

I say we all start ARing YOUR ass for being such a negative influence on the community.

I like this idea.

you people are such prudes and so is SL.

SL is so fucking fake thats what makes us all chumps.

So terrified and this need for protection. Well, If you had a brain among you
you wouldnt need linden to protect you from griefers.

SL is supposed to be a hrmmm SECOND LIFE... IE: it should bear some resemblance to the first one no? In real life can you have someone killed for shoving you?

STOP BEING PUSSIES!

The whole idea of a METAVERSE is that there are OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE!!!

ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE!!! Nice ones means ones and little pussy ones like you
guys(plaintiffs) ... jesus christ at least the greifers have a sense of humor