Problem is they have always had higher then the US.
It's time to start citing your sources. My own sources (Eurostat and BLS) completely disagree.
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Ardith Mifflin
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06-09-2005 09:27
Problem is they have always had higher then the US. It's time to start citing your sources. My own sources (Eurostat and BLS) completely disagree. |
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Lupo Clymer
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06-09-2005 09:41
It's time to start citing your sources. My own sources (Eurostat and BLS) completely disagree. Mine came from CBS What I just posted anyways. _____________________
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Ardith Mifflin
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06-09-2005 09:48
Mine came from CBS What I just posted anyways. Linku please. My stats for the Netherlands: http://epp.eurostat.cec.eu.int/pls/portal/docs/PAGE/PGP_PRD_CAT_PREREL/PGE_CAT_PREREL_YEAR_2005/PGE_CAT_PREREL_YEAR_2005_MONTH_06/3-01062005-EN-AP.PDF Also, under 25 unemployment is generally not an appropriate indicator of economic health. |
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Lupo Clymer
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06-09-2005 09:59
Linku please. My stats for the Netherlands: http://epp.eurostat.cec.eu.int/pls/portal/docs/PAGE/PGP_PRD_CAT_PREREL/PGE_CAT_PREREL_YEAR_2005/PGE_CAT_PREREL_YEAR_2005_MONTH_06/3-01062005-EN-AP.PDF Also, under 25 unemployment is generally not an appropriate indicator of economic health. Well I would admit CBS are older stats and I would bow to say they would have there own stats better then CBS. I would disagree about the under 25 not being relevant. I can see your point on it but I disagree because that is the your work force to come. I would tend to believe they are more relevant then people over 55. _____________________
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Ardith Mifflin
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06-09-2005 10:10
Well I would admit CBS are older stats and I would bow to say they would have there own stats better then CBS. I would disagree about the under 25 not being relevant. I can see your point on it but I disagree because that is the your work force to come. I would tend to believe they are more relevant then people over 55. The problem is that under-25 workers tend to have other reasons for unemployment that don't correlate to the health of the economy. Many students are unemployed at least part of the year, while some remain unemployed for the entirety of their education. Likewise, there is a great deal of frictional unemployment in the low-wage jobs which younger workers tend to work. These factors combine to skew the under-25 unemployment rate. It's sometimes important data to consider, but it's not always directly indicative of economic health. An 11% unemployment rate for <25 is nowhere near as significant as an unemployment rate of 11% for the general population. |
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06-09-2005 10:15
Under 25 could be irelavant if the stats include students who are not working.
They of course could be relavant if the idea that unemployeed will become prostitutes though, becuase many of those women would be 18-25. US rates generally only include those elligble to receive unemployment (in other words more people are unemployed then the rates claim) The discussion here is theres a lot of unemployment in the Netherlands therefore they needed Prostitution and to legalize drugs? Im a bit confused at that. Am not sure legality/illegality greatly increases or decreases the number of women who work in the sex industry. I think theres plenty of illegal prostitution in the United States. Are the a significantly larger number of Prostitutes per capita in Nevada then say Chicago? May be very hard to know that answer of course. But Hopefully people can see what I mean. As far as legalizing drugs well I suppose that would increase unemployment since there would be less people in jail. |
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06-09-2005 10:23
An 11% unemployment rate for <25 is nowhere near as significant as an unemployment rate of 11% for the general population. The Netherlands pretty consistantly has one of the lowest unemployment rates for young workers in Europe. Back to the topic at hand. What works for Amersterdam wouldn't necessary work for Topeka, because of profound cultural differences. But the United States has a huge sex industry with endemic problems that can be directly linked to the fact that it is illegal and thus unmonitored and unregulated. It would behoove us to at least listen and examine how other countries deal with it, even if we ultimately make the decision that their systems wouldn't work for us. |
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Lupo Clymer
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06-09-2005 10:26
In the Netherlands they have very strict labor laws. It is almost imposable to fire any one. I have worked for companies that put hiring freeze only in the Netherlands because of this. The Labor laws are a problem. Site down and do some research and I am not going to do them for you.
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06-09-2005 10:34
Reason I bring it up in the first place was the simple fact people saying how we should be just like them. We should not be just like them. They do have GREAT ideas but we need to be our self. Indisputable. We couldn't be just like anybody else if we tried. Though I think we should really be more like Lichtenstein. Nobody really effectively emulates the Lichtenstein model. |
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06-09-2005 10:52
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06-09-2005 11:12
Not to be too picky but prostitution already *is* legal lots of places and has been for many years.
The only issue in most of these places is *where* should it take place, and how supportive should the community be of it, (which are exctly the issues discussed in that article). A poll on the topic should really read: "Do you support the use of public money to provide safe spaces for prostitution?" or at least include the third option of: "Its already legal in my country!" ![]() _____________________
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06-09-2005 11:14
At least the US does not have a 75% unemployment. That was a cruel and unecessary jab. ![]() _____________________
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06-09-2005 11:39
If I had legal drugs and prostitutes, I wouldn't have a job either.
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06-09-2005 11:42
If I had legal drugs and prostitutes, I wouldn't have a job either. how else would you pay for them? hehe |
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06-09-2005 12:29
how else would you pay for them? hehe Government Welfare! _____________________
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06-09-2005 12:35
Spending government welfare on Prostitutes ...
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06-09-2005 12:39
I would guess that a lot of prostitutes are considered "Jobless" and are in fact being counted in the unemployment rate.
If the US legalizes prostitution then they can claim that as a "Job" This would lower our unemployment Rate. And it could be taxed. They could call it USTOP U.S. Tax On..... *smile* Jessica |
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06-09-2005 18:13
If I had legal drugs and prostitutes, I wouldn't have a job either. Is that because you work in an industry that prosecutes and/or processes drug users/dealer and prostitutes? Or, becuase you'd be at home doping up with your hooker all day long? ![]() _____________________
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06-09-2005 18:17
No I meant how much for the Booth. *smacks his head kowing he walked into that one* _____________________
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06-09-2005 18:19
No I meant how much for the Booth. *smacks his head kowing he walked into that one* Those prices are for the booth. Barnes is free. ![]() _____________________
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06-09-2005 18:20
Those prices are for the booth. Barnes is free. ![]() LMAO ok screw you guys I'm going home. NO I mean how much to buy that booth in game. _____________________
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06-09-2005 18:49
I am of the opinion that prostitution should, in fact, be legalized. Legalized, monitored, and taxed. Prostitutes should be required to be tested for a complete battery of STDs, not as much for their clients protection as for their own. Their income should be as taxable as mine.
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06-09-2005 23:54
Whether it's legal or not, it's going to happen - might as well make the best of it. Gah! Using logic?! Who do you think you are?! ![]() I agree with your points. Making it illegal does not stop it, but we're dealing with a moral viewpoint - not logic. The same applies to many issues like drugs and teens having sex. Some people will never learn, but last I heard the ostrich that kept his head buried in the sand died from asphyxiation. _____________________
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06-10-2005 08:01
Much like the American Drug War debacle and Prohibition...a lesson should be learned regarding prostitution in the U.S.
Make something that the populace wants illegal, and you throw open the door to crime and violent elements trying to control that something. If something is criminal, then it becomes super profitable to the ones who will defy the law to provide it...Alcohol was illegal, the mob started providing it, they grew exponentially. Alcohol became legal, no "real" money was to be made (on the smaller scale), thus the mob pretty much abandoned it...and went to drugs (along with other nefarious groups), since drugs were still illegal and profitable. Protect the street girls, make it legal. You will see less of the downtrodden-types entering into the field due to its regulation, and the violent acts commited against the prostitutes will be gone, since the trade will no longer be regulated by street pimps. The girls will be "cleaner", healthier, and less will be forced into the life by circumstance. |
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Colette Meiji
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06-10-2005 08:14
Much like the American Drug War debacle and Prohibition...a lesson should be learned regarding prostitution in the U.S. Make something that the populace wants illegal, and you throw open the door to crime and violent elements trying to control that something. If something is criminal, then it becomes super profitable to the ones who will defy the law to provide it...Alcohol was illegal, the mob started providing it, they grew exponentially. Alcohol became legal, no "real" money was to be made (on the smaller scale), thus the mob pretty much abandoned it...and went to drugs (along with other nefarious groups), since drugs were still illegal and profitable. Protect the street girls, make it legal. You will see less of the downtrodden-types entering into the field due to its regulation, and the violent acts commited against the prostitutes will be gone, since the trade will no longer be regulated by street pimps. The girls will be "cleaner", healthier, and less will be forced into the life by circumstance. This is very true. This all stems from the legislation of morality, really. People saw others committign vices. Decided that it was "wrong and immoral" and legislated. "Prostitution is immoral" outlaw it "Alcohol is immoral" outlaw it "Drugs are immoral"outlaw them This really is flawed. The better way to reduce these things as problems is education. If the religeous want people to be "more moral" they should try to get more people to join their church and convince them to not act that way. They shouldnt force behavior on people. Laws should exist to protect Life, Liberty, Property. Laws should not exist to promote morality or a religeous agenda. |