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So... where IS all the cool stuff?

Emma Soyinka
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09-17-2005 16:37
Preemptive disclaimer: I do not dislike SL. I like SL. I like SL a lot. This is not meant as whining, this is just a statement of observations and possibly a question as well.

Anyway, on to the post. So I've been in SL for over a week now. I've been very busy in a lot of areas. Customizing my avatar so I can be happy with my appearance, learning to build, learning to texture, learning to script. Buying my own little stretch of beach and decorating it to my tastes. I've basically kept very busy. I still am, working on a big project on my little stretch of beach.

I have a few lovely neighbours and made some nice friends. But lately I find myself wondering about how SecondLife has been advertized to me, and that even the things in videos made by players is not how I am experiencing things at all.

I like shopping, but one's stipend runs out pretty fast, hell spending frivolously was never my style so I really only go out shopping if someone else drags me or I actively have something I need or really want to buy. I guess I'm not a big shopping fiend, despite being a horrible impulse buyer.

The forums are great too. Well, some people on these forums will insist they in fact -aren't-. But, if you would just take a gander at the forums where I came from (that would be World of Warcraft) it's nice to see a forum where at least -some- people can make an intelligent pose that debates, maybe even attacks, another poster's points, but at least they don't fall straight into derogetary flaming. To me it's a breath of fresh air, but then again, I don't pay 18 bucks a month to read the forum, har!

I've looked at the events tab. I asked one of my more SL savvy friends what the heck tringo was, she told me she believed it was a cross between tetris and uh ... heck, I dunno, something else, I forget. It has gambling involved as far as I know and I don't gamble. Hottest thong contests amused me for a few minutes, mostly because I offered the suggestion to earlier mentioned friend that I should done grandma boxer briefs and enter, only to dramatically storm out crying "WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS ISN'T SEXY!?" when I didn't win. I didn't do that though, I'm not brazen enough for it. And that was about it for the events tab.

I've been to a few clubs, most of them had no people in them. I'm not a big people person anyhow, and so I don't think I'd like clubs much, even if they did have people! I'm one of those "I'd like to hang out with a few people, more than a couple, less than a crowd" people.

I've tried looking for all those interesting places and things to do in SL and haven't really found anything, if they -are- out there (and I'm sure they are) then they're really bloody hard to find. I couldn't even find where to buy a pair of skates (rollerblades) and a skating rink. I went somewhere that supposedly had a rink, but all it had was a surprisingly vacant empty space and no rink at all.

So basically, I'm wondering if there's hope for someone like me, kinda reclusive, not big on crowds, but still with a social itch, and looking for something to do in SL beyond sitting on the beach building stuff - which while fun isn't all I'd like to do. Where are all these cool places with cool people to hang out with and cool stuff to do? I suck at exploring because I don't enjoy it much, but I'm amazed how hard to find they are.

The long and short of it is: it sucks being new to a place, even virtual, and I'm getting kinda bored and lonely sitting on my little stretch of beach with only the occasional friend on my surprisingly short list to chat with, or a passing neighbour and nothing to do but build.

Slight gripe addendum: I am still kinda annoyed that LL made it seem like anyone could have vast stretches of land to perpetuate personal projects on and such, as well as eventually a private island, when in fact - as far as I can tell - this really only goes for the fabulously rich, both in $L as well as RL money. Then again I have my little stretch of beach, so I can't complain too much.
Torley Linden
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09-17-2005 16:43
Heyyy again Emma!

Quick question:

Have you been to the Burning Life regions? :)
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Hunter Stern
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09-17-2005 16:47
besides in wolrd have you considered the history behind it all, that i found today can be very cool and interesting to delve into by going to

http://history.secondserver.net/index.php/Main_Page try it out
Nyoko Salome
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Join date: 18 Jul 2005
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hope this helps...
09-17-2005 16:47
here's what i used to use in my old siggy:
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looking for something fun and free to do in sl?? :)
1) find a friend in sl. (if you don't have a friend, make a friend!! :)
2) bring up your map, and target your friend. instruct your friend on how to do it, too.
3) fly, and play tag!! :) breathtaking in mouseview - travel around the grid together; create group exploration parties... have fun!! :)



i know; too many smileys, but i'm prone to that. :) and don't know if that was cool enough, or maybe it was just plain obvious, but i like exploring, like exploring myst/riven environments.

it's a big grid... gotta find yer own cool. :)

p.s. agreed, check out the history wiki and other sl-related blogs and such... it's hard to stuff in-game, and even if you walk by something really interesting, sometimes you just don't see it there, or even realize what it is. you'll have an easier time making up a list of things to check out, then exploring from there... good luck! :)
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09-17-2005 17:24
Meet people, say hello. You are correct that there are some gross exaggerations in the way the game is promoted.

I've been in SL for two years, have attempted just about everything that can be done. There are amazing possibilities for creative expression, but they are quite hollow without the social aspect.

One way in which I think of this is to ask people if SL were a solitary (stand-alone) game, how long would it hold their interest? The answer I almost always get is "not very long at all". Which is why I consider SL to be an incredibly ornate chatroom. And I don't think this is a pejorative statement in the least.

Now from a marketing perspective, you certainly can't call it a pretty chat room. Nor can you show the merit of the social dimension of SL in a 30 second video spot. I've been looking at the promotional videos recently to see how SL is being promoted by LL. I've noted a couple of things: first, much of the visuals consist of quick-cut MTV style montage. I think this gives new players a horrible sense of disappointment upon entering the world because the game does not move as fast as the 2 second cuts lead one to believe. Furthermore, many of the visuals are simply camera pans of preloaded scenes which are indeed attractive and dynamic in a video sense, but also give a false impression of the "reality" of the virtuality. In short, the promotional videos are great at getting people in the door, only to be followed by disappointment. Don Norman discusses at length the nature of this disjunction between expectation and experience in his latest book. But I digress.

The most rewarding aspect of the game to me and most of the people I interact with is the social. Which is not to say that they are not also interested in building, scripting, and using the other affordances of the game. Personally, out of all of the things that I have done in game, the one I find most rewarding is helping people and teaching people. In that manner I've met some fantastic projections of real people into a virtual space.

I don't think SL is much different than RL in this regard. Think about why you do the things you do in RL. They likely revolve around: 1) ensuring basic needs are met 2) interacting with other people 3) expressing yourself in a manner you find pleasing 4) recreation. Without "levelling" or "quests" or the standard components of other games, these are the "goals" of SL.

I hope that helps you understand a little better. SL is not for everyone in the same sense that there are few things that have universal appeal. And for people who find more "conventional" recreations pleasing, this may not be the place for them at all. One anecdote and I'll stop; I promise.

Last night, I sat at a table with some friends and played a virtual dice game that I had previously played in RL; the SL version of it is called "Gimme Gimme". It is not a complex game, one might call it "something to do with your hands while talking". It isn't a gambling game and the play is hardly demanding. Moreover, there is probably more luck than skill involved, so most of the players scores are pretty close. I had as good a time doing that in-game with my friends as I had doing exactly the same as I had in college, except I was able to do this with people from literally all over the world, from the comfort of my home, while my child slept.
Osprey Therian
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09-17-2005 17:45
Things come and go here very quickly sometimes, so there are always new cool things but if you hear about something you'd better go and see it right away. We are dynamic!
Right now I'd say go to:
Numbakulla
SeaCliff
FairChang Island
That great big wall ... where is that now... and the Prim Rig, too
Gray - to see the Kazenojin's tower
The Forest of Kahruvel
The Good Old Days
... I mean, there are lots of amazing things and the things I like might not suit you - however rest assured that amazing builds all over.

As you learn about building the difficulty of some of these builds will be more apparent to you.

Welcome to Second Life!
Siggy Romulus
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09-17-2005 18:03
Coming up on my second year in second life and I gotta admit, it was easier to find the 'cool stuff' and your own niche back in the 'Good ole days'...

Nowadays I think it's a lot like my mailbox - I open it up and pull out a thick wad of paper each couple of days and sit back on the sofa and go through it all... a lot of it is applications for credit cards I don't want - sales for things I can't afford - a bunch of flyers for stuff that just doesn't interest me..

Then outta the blue theres my netflix movies, or a magazine on Linux or video editing.. a letter from a friend, or maybe some goodies sent to me from Australia that I can't get here...


The 'cool stuff' is out there - it's just mixed in with a lot of shit you don't want/need. You gotta wade through it everynow and then, but for the patient there are little gems that are oh so nice to find.

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Kyrah Abattoir
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09-17-2005 18:11
the probem is pretty simple, one part of the landmass in SL is residencial, the other part is poisoned by what i call the club cycle, peoples havent yet understood SL today cannot offer nice entertainment to a "invite all your friends" club, i mean, it get quickly sluggish, but paradoxally peoples get dwell based on the trafic on theyr land, thus encourageing peples to make lag...

many peoples do not move theyr ass if there isnt money at the end of the road, i would make games for sure, but if ther eis nothing to win at the end (exepted the "you win";) most peoples will not move just for the challenge.

I built before a snowballfight field with decorations and free snowball thrower script to play there just for the fun of a good snowballfight, its simple ZERO players, anytime

now i integrated my money tree as the reward of a little puzzle, but hey how many just cheat?
fortunately i found even some non newbies that solved the puzzle just for the pleasure of it
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Emma Soyinka
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09-17-2005 18:50
Wow! Lots of replies. Yes, I've been to Burning Life, with a friend even. It just isn't my kinda thing because while neat, it's a temporary thing, and thus I can't really make it a regular hangout, and I do like my regular hangouts, basically.

I've also been reading a lot and find it all very interesting, I have a lot of things bookmarked that I still need to get to for instance several articles from NWN. Although some of the articles again make me feel a little let down after I log into SL again, the articles discuss cool stuff, but again I don't know where to find it, if it's still alive and kicking at all. But generally its fun to read about things. I still need to visit Luskwood actually... I think it was Luskwood. But that hardly seems like a thriving social hotspot from it's description of a wide open nature reserve. :)

Like I said in my original post though, I'm really not one for flying around aimlessly. I just doesn't work for me, especially since the lag of everything loading messes with my system, and the fact I have to fly, stand still and wait for things to load, inspect, fly, etc. SL is huge and flying around trying to find something that would appeal to me at random seems... not so likely?

I agree that the social aspect is a major part of the game (which is why I'm not enjoying it as much as I could right now) and that people won't be motivated unless money is involved. The latter makes me sad, because it's things like this that probably cause things I find and might've liked to simply not be there when I go to look. Personally I don't care if money is involved as long as I have a good time. Hell, challenge for challenge's sake sounds good to me.

I know SL isn't like conventional gaming. God, I know, and I like it. I hate questing, missions, and the level grind of other online games (yes yes, SL isn't a game, gimme a word for it that is 4 letters or less and I'll start using that instead) but surely the things people do on a regular basis besides socializing can't only be avatar contests, tringo, clubbing and shopping, can it? I'm not counting building and such here, because for most people that's a solitary thing that's best left without distractions.

The snowballfight field sounds fun. So would things like paintball, skating, shooting galleries, playing pool at a pool hall, etc. I see all these things discussed, and in videos, but never find anything like it. So far the most exciting thing I found was accidentally through a thread on the forum, that refered to a clinical ward replication that mimicks what it's like to be schizophrenic. (very enlightening by the way, the experience made me jumpy and paranoid, can't imagine what life like that must be like)
Enabran Templar
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09-17-2005 19:04
Always worth checking out is Nexus Prime, the "cyberpunk city of the future." Plenty of stuff to explore, many rooms and levels, hidden passages, secret teleporters... All conveniently located in Bonifacio, just south of the Welcome Area.
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Satchmo Prototype
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09-17-2005 19:23
Fly one of Cubey's planes and play some Frag Foo.
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AXIS Epsilon
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09-17-2005 20:04
I'm new too (born Sept. 6th), and I agree that 'aimlessly wander around looking for something to do' doesn't work so well. The fact that I run into a *lot* of currently-invisible buildings bugs me a bit.

That said, I've had a lot of success with the Event and Find tab, but only when I combine them with the search function. Just type in random cool stuff, and see where it takes you.

For example, there're already a few things I've begun to dig - namely, the "MST3K Home Game" at the Elbow Room every night at 9 LST (it's not a huge crowd, IMO, and it's only as social as you allow it to be - you can ignore the people and just laugh at the movies), and The Mushroom Kingdom, a video game museum that's fun for at least a dash or two through. I've even wandered into a philosophy forum (though I don't think it's a totally regular thing). I can't remember the exact locations right now (huzzah for bookmarks), but look 'em up under Find. That's how I found them.

You could also ask around anywhere you've already found to be cool, and see what they recommend. If you're already hanging with those people, chances are they've got tastes similar to yours.
Osprey Therian
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09-17-2005 20:30
I should mention, too, that at the Photography Studio in Grignano - one of my places - there is always either a creative contest (involving taking snapshots in front of the provided backdrops) or an exhibit of the photos that were entered in the contest. Typically there's 2 weeks to enter and 2 weeks of exhibition - roughly.

I just built a cave with cave paintings next to my gallery in Bodega, but it's not a "WOW!" thing - just a cave.

Making money doesn't hold people back from building things - however, those wonderful builds cost the creator a lot of money to maintain, and once the fun wears off s/he might remove it and build something else, remove it and tier down, or in some cases, just continue footing the bill out of affection for the build and Second Life.
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09-17-2005 21:00
Somebody please tell me where that schitzophrenic thing is?

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Katt Kongo
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09-17-2005 21:52
Hey Emma, I have found a lot of really fun things to do in SL that I would have be able to do n my First Life. If you would like to IM me in-world, I will gladly show you and hang out with you. I love making new friends.

(Just don't IM me on Mondays or Tuesdays bc those are the busiest newspaper days lol).
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Emma Soyinka
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09-17-2005 21:56
From: Cocoanut Koala
Somebody please tell me where that schitzophrenic thing is?

coco

See? This is the problem I have every time I hear about cool stuff. :P Write more later, bed now, but first! It's at Sedig 45, 25. I'm not sure how to link to SL locations via web yet, but it's pretty much next to Sedig Boathouse.
Nyoko Salome
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i've wondered about
09-17-2005 22:55
easier ways to record/pass on interesting location markers, and have it be easily passed between browser/copy-paste - i think the future browser integration is going to help with that...

but now wondering if there could be an ingame wiki, blog or forum topic just to post interesting locales, prime-indexed by address (to cut down on repetition)? i suppose there could be privacy issues around it, but maybe private sims can be automatically password-restricted to the group...

yeah, just an easier way of sharing interesting finds, writing about them in a forum-like manner, and just click the location link and bingo! :)

(or, feeling confused - i would figure something like this exists anyways, but i haven't figured out really -where it is-...:)
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Susie Boffin
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09-17-2005 23:00
Hi Emma. Do a people search for me, Susie Boffin, and look at my picks in my profile. I think you will find what you are looking for. But maybe I am all screwed up as usual.
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09-17-2005 23:42
The URL form is secondlife://SimName/x/y/ where spaces in SimName are replaced with "_"; thus secondlife://Sedig/45/25/. If you are feeling generous use the URL vB code tags documented at the bottom of the page.

Oh and NWN is thought by many to be yellow-jounalism posing as promotional material posing as propoganda or some permutation thereof.
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09-18-2005 08:56
The URL form is secondlife://SimName/x/y/ where spaces in SimName are replaced with "_"; thus secondlife://Sedig/45/25/. If you are feeling generous use the URL vB code tags documented at the bottom of the page.

Oh and NWN is thought by many to be yellow-jounalism posing as promotional material posing as propoganda or some permutation thereof.
Emma Soyinka
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09-18-2005 08:59
Why isn't there an SL google for placemarks anyhow? :p
Satchmo Prototype
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09-18-2005 11:15
From: Emma Soyinka
Why isn't there an SL google for placemarks anyhow? :p


I want to do that with SLindex . Originally I was hoping people would list the stuff they create, but I'm starting to think it should be used to bookmark your own travels.

It works like Snapzilla only there are a number of email address which determines how the content is indexed.

Games [email]games@slindex.com[/email]
Mature [email]mature@slindex.com[/email]
Misc [email]misc@slindex.com[/email]
People [email]people@slindex.com[/email]
Places [email]places@slindex.com[/email]
Products [email]products@slindex.com[/email]
Stores [email]stores@slindex.com[/email]

I want the community to help index everything in SL, so it's easy to find exactly what your looking for.
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09-18-2005 11:37
I have a diner/bumper & paddle boat course/skatepark/pool hall but I don't hold events since, like you, I am more along the few friends as opposed to a big crowd type myself. Also, I'm not in sl with the intention of making money and organizing social events is not the way I want to spend my time. So, anyone is welcome to hang out and if I'm there I'll skate or shoot some pool with you, other wise it's byof (bring your own friends).

You can also pick up a copy of pathfinder's picks there which highlights cool & creative spots in SL.
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09-18-2005 12:20
From: Cocoanut Koala
Somebody please tell me where that schitzophrenic thing is?

coco



Virtual Hallucinations Sedig (25,31).
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Emma Soyinka
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09-18-2005 14:43
From: Satchmo Prototype
I want to do that with SLindex . Originally I was hoping people would list the stuff they create, but I'm starting to think it should be used to bookmark your own travels.

It works like Snapzilla only there are a number of email address which determines how the content is indexed.

Games [email]games@slindex.com[/email]
Mature [email]mature@slindex.com[/email]
Misc [email]misc@slindex.com[/email]
People [email]people@slindex.com[/email]
Places [email]places@slindex.com[/email]
Products [email]products@slindex.com[/email]
Stores [email]stores@slindex.com[/email]

I want the community to help index everything in SL, so it's easy to find exactly what your looking for.

This sounds very cool and useful. I also found http://landmarker.neologasm.org earlier, both seem to still be just starting out though?
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