(OT) US under High alert!!

Just heard the U.S. is under High alert to terrorist attacks President to speak sometime today

Sorry guys from the states but to put it plain and simple, without any name calling... Gore should of won, and we are all dead because Mr.Pres is declaring war on EVERYBODY! My 2 cents flame is you want, I don't care

to be honest IMHO
Gore would have been a BAD thing ... we had 8 years of Clinton/Gore and nothing got done with SoDamnInsane
and Iraq....
Something needs to be done and will be done with Bush in office , he is a strong leader whom I do not always agree with but is the right man for the job as the world is at this point at least..hes a no nonsence kinda guy that isnt gonna be bullshited, hes a straight shooter and will not back down ... isnt that what America stands for?

just my opinion and I am NOT flameing you we all have a right to our opinions (thats why we have free elections) and Polotics is a VERY VERY touchy issue with alot of people so im not goin any farther than what I already have on this

LOL I agree Rivn, you alwasy come up with the best subject! I love debating with you... but this time i'll be more carefull.

Ok i'm not even an American and i'm mroe scared of Bush then Insane. Bush leads the most powerful country in the world. And I simply don't think it's a good idea to start knocking in everybody's back door. I do how ever agree you that Iraq must be dealt with, but Bush is only reading the speachs (in my opinion he can't even do that right) I'm not afraid of Iraq... i'm afraid of after Iraq.. he's gonna go after North Korea... they, unlike Iraq, have nukes... they will not be pushed over... and I hope that Bush realized that if he starts bulliing country.. he's gonna have a nuclear war (more like Cold War) on his hands... and we don't want that again.

Rivn... I would like to hear more of your side of the story on this, I respect your opinion and I would like to hear more! What do you think will happen after Iraq?

To come back on what I said, what's Bush gonna do? He has declared war on something not achievable, Terror... what the hell is that? He should have a concret goal.. like Iraq... not ppl who pose a terror in Iraq, then there all the tip towing around the politics...

Nexus ...
Rivn sends his condolances that he can not have a debate with you , Althou he says he would enjoy it emencly since you are an inteligent person to talk with and can do so without hard feelings .

But unfortionatly he has been banned from the boards and the game for 5 days for calling a name at someone who will remane nameless in retaliation to being called names by that person first.
If that makes any sence

Especially when the person who called the first name remains able to post here and play the game.
is kind of funny actualy, that someone can start something and blast someone with a 2 paragraph trouncing and calling names walks away with nothing happening to them and the person whom responds says 1 sentance and 1 name no swear words and is suspended for 5 days .
very interesting indeed

I think you can email him from this forum though if that interests you

Oh boy ....
I am afraid whats going to happen post Iraq,
now new news is that Iran has openly stated they are going to start a Neuclear weapons program (probably means thay already have 1 in the works)

Not to mention the fact that North Korea situation they are pretty much waving it in the worlds face that they have a program and noone will keep them from having it (in there words)

The problem is If we do nothing with the N. Korea situation then everyone in the world that isnt supposed to have them will just say ummm We are starting 1 too!

Lets face it honestly Nukes should be in noones hands, they are awesome prevenitive measures to keep someone from attacking but the more of them there are the more likely someone that has no buisiness haveing control over such a Dominate weapon will eventually have them and If that someone is a nutcase then who knows the awefull concequences that could then happen..

for instance could you imagine Omar kadaffi with nukes?
or that Ugandin Omine (not sure of spelling)
Well How about Sadame ?

Or Bin Laden, although not a leader of a nation there is such a thing as suitcase bombs that are nukes smaller less damage but still very very potent..

this has got to be stopped the only thing is how will it be done , The N. Korean Dictator is perhaps worse than Sadame in many ways the U.S. has sent Billions in grain the past several years there and he wont give it to the people so we have stopped sending it ...yet the people (alot of them) bordering starvation, how do you become diplomatic with someone of this nature?

Military strikes could be very very counter productive as well IF the Neuclear tech there is more advanced than they are letting on, lord knows we dont need a Neuclear war on our hands, they do have Misiles that will go as far as Alaska that we know of but whos to say they cant modify them to hit the mainland or perhaps they have them already....

Whatever is to be done I am in hopes that it is Unilateraly done with our allies throught the world , I know for sure China is NOT happy about N. Korea haveing neuclear capabilitiesso they will be a strong allie in whatever goes down and the same with Russia,
Makes strange bedfellows I would say, but to be 100% upfront about it Personally I dont trust either of them any farther than I could see them, those countries are not "friends" with the US , as you already know they just have a Fear of us as we have of Them so to speak, a respect of power I guess is how it should be put....

but anyways I could go on and on (as if I didnt ) about this but its a small segment of what I think to answer your earlier question Nexus

I lost interest in the whole war/ terrorist thing last month and I don't care what they do now. And may a point out that the stupid terror alert thing is the dumbest idea this contry has had in a while. By associating a color with how close they think we are to some sort of catastrophe does not make me feel safer. And even if they do know about it I would like to know how they think they are going to stop people, that will stop at nothing to hurt innocent people. Some how they will find a way, I would go as far to say that it is inevitable. If you ask me its a waste of money. I don't feel any better know that "Sometime we will be attacked." Makes me wonder, Why even mention it at all?

I think they need to just kill saddam and get it over with. The world will be better without him. And I don't think anyone will be to upset, even most of his own people detest him. well thats just my opinion...

-Skippy

I couldnt agree more about killing sadame !

But as far as the alert system itself thats another story ..
actually what does it hurt to have people a little more aware of there suroundings and being a bit more perceptive to whats happening , we are the eyes and ears of this nation what we may see no matter how subtle could save hundreds maybe even thousands of lives from perhaps just 1 person noticing something that happened around them that was out of the ordinary and reporting it to the proper people...

there is nothing wrong with being alert or alerted ,will terrorist succeed eventually ...yes probably if they are that intent on killing innocent people , will us being alert to the fact that there is a higher level of risk due to intelligence info stop them all ? no can it stop some ? I think it is highly possible ,
How can you put a price on Human Life especially when its a countrymen, if it saves 1 life its highly worth it in my opinion ...

But thats half the reason this country is as great as it is we all are entitled to just that , Our opinions

Rivn, some great comments.

I go to college, and therefore see anti-war people everyday, and frankly they're driving me nuts. I'd like to shake most of them and yell "wake up." They're just so uninformed and have no grip with the real situation. If I see one more person shouting, "No oil war in Iraq," I might have to slap them (it's not an oil war, people). I'm not pro-war, nobody is. You'd have to be crazy to like war. I'm just in favor of doing the right thing to prevent a higher number of lost lives. And I hate it when radicals speak out and clearly don't know the facts or situation.

I've heard a lot of people say things about Bush, like he's declaring war on the world. Ok, so he's not our greatest president, but we're a heck of a lot safer with him than say, Al Gore (personally, I would have voted for McCain). I disagree with him here and there, like with the environment. But he's done so much right stuff with defending the US and its allies. Everyone freaked, saying war was imminant back in October. Don't people realize that Bush was just playing 'bad cop.' We were never going to war until at least February, i said that a long time ago. And we were never going to war without allied support and still want/need allied support (not for the fight, at least for backing).
And people are asking for all of the US's intelligence on Iraq. What intelligence agency in their right mind would give more than a few tidbits of info, jeopordizing their info. And in all honesty, Bush does not actually want a war and spilt blood, and like the rest of the US cares more about the Iraqis than Saddam. But if bullying Saddam is the only way to prevent catastrophe, then be it. And if that fails, war is necessary. And Bush is serious about taking the last alternative

And what is it with these allies who after september 11th pledged anti-terrorist support and now back off with the threat still as great. Yeah, the threat of Saddam hitting the US with a Weapon of Mass Distruction is slim (no capabilities) and only slightly higher to attack Israel (he'd like that, but that's asking for war). But what about 10 yrs down the road, when Iraq has better weapons, and Saddam is ready to die of old age or some other hot shot is in control. Worse yet, he'd love to sell a small nuke or bio-weapon to a terrorist organization (which are a legit threat) and let them do their thing. This war is to prevent another sept. 11th before it happens, instead of having 10,000-100,000 dead innocents and then war anyway. Without action, that WILL happen. And do you remember which nation was almost congratulatory of the Sep. 11th attack. Iraq. Right now, the war is dependant on Saddam's cooperation, which means war is likely.

BTW, we are not going to war with N Korea unless they get stupid. The fear is that they do not have the proper responsibility to not use them (or maybe one could slip to terrorists, but less likely). N Korea might very well use them on S Korea. It's scary in the same way India and Pakistan are making nukes and staring each other down. The US is not the target of Korea at this time, and Bush doesn't want a war with them, even if we had enough troops. The world is just safer with less nukes, especially in countries like that. Sure the US has them, but we've learned not to use them besides as a deterrant, and if the US could rid the world of nukes and dis-invent them, it would.

And don't think I have terrorist phobia. I'm not scared. I knew there was no immediate attack going to happen right after Sep 11th, and it would be years before we get hit again. And I don't just guess at this stuff. I study military technology and history as a sort of hobby (love Discovery Channel) and keep tabs on the world and history. I predicted exactly how the war in the Balkans and Afghanistan would go, including time and number of casualties. I've predicted how the Iraq situation would go, and so far have been right. That doesn't make me wise or an expert or anything, not even close. I'm just saying I have a level head and knowlegeable opinion.

Sorry this went so long. I'm long-winded. Good luck soldiers over seas if the worst come to pass.

good post!

I didn't read any of this, because I don't really care (I'm in college, there's no way I can change any of this), but I thought I'd state the obvious, because we humans must always state the obvious (as known to anyone who has read "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".

On the news I saw that men and women were leaving home to go somewhere. Those people were soldiers in the army.

Those people left because we are going to fight somebody. I'm not saying we're going to war, but I am saying that these soldiers are leaving to fight , not to practice.

So to them, I wish them well, and I thank them for going so that I don't have to

Wazoo, your post was a nice read , enjoyed it

Wazoo, I am totally uninformed, but I support the war. Something is going to happen. It is going to happen whether we go over there or not. I don't want to treat this clown like we treated Hitler before Pearl Harbor got bombed. I angers me that we sat on our hands while he ran all over Europe like that. (Why? These people were supposed to be our friends that is why.) Maybe we should have let him run around a lttle longer and only defended Great Britain, F you very much France, but hindsight is 20-20.
Saddam needs to be stopped, he is like a real villain, but not as smart. Even dumb people need to get what is coming to them.
I also think Korea is a problem, but we don't have time or money to deal with them right now. No one really agrees with me about the fact that we need to do something about Korea. I have only been saying that for 10 years, I'll say it for 10 more if I have to. I don't support aggression, but we do need to let Korea know that they have a lot of responsibility to respect the power that they have now (not now, for years, they just made it better.) I don't think we need to fight them, but they do need to learn that the world is only going to put up with so many jerks with weapons and we have filled that quota now thank you very much.
We aren't necessarily the "good guys," but we need to do something, I am not sure what. When you run out of time, and still can't figure out what to do, smash it and go home. (If I am going to do the wrong thing, it is not going to be nothing.)

Nicole,
I think Rivn and Wazoo hit on that point to that something must be done with N. Korea But im not quite sure that busting it and going home is that answer we are looking for.

The problem with N. Korea is he is as big of a madman if not worse that Sadame, the world just hasnt heard as much about him YET, the time is comeing,
the little Goofball stands about 5 foot tall wears platform shoes and combs his hair strangely all to make him look bigger,(nothing wrong with being short)

But why does he do this?
Ill explain ,
He has BIGTIME ISSUES with his lack of a dominate appearance and he is intimidated by the lack of true manly power in the physical sense, therefore he feels the desire to challenge Governments and world laws governing things such as neuclear power and atomic weapons, he is destined to achieve them and in all probability use them once he does have them and the ability to launch them to his desired location!

This is (in my opinion) why he MUST be stopped without LONG drawn out diplomatic proceedings, time is on his side not the side of the rest of the world, because when our time runs out its already to late he will have then achieved his goal. We do not have 12 years to do so like the case in Iraq

The bigest problem is he already has Long range missiles that are capable of reaching Alaska, hence one hell of alot of other places too! So we know he can deliver them now to alot of Key world positions and in another year possibly mainland USA and Europe

The real question is does he have a Bomb of atomic measures or just the materials in which to make them?
If he doesnt have a bomb as of yet, then I would be willing to say withing the next 2 years at most he will have exactly that and without Doubt the ability to deliver it ANYPLACE he desires,
Now that is a scary thought!

A world Coalition of UN and Nato has to get there collective heads out of the sand and demand(not pussyfoot around) that he STOP all neuclear testing , development and planning
that the Powerplant be closed down and cleaned up by the UN.
and that The UN then destroys the plant ! They also Need to account for all Enriched Uranium and it also is to be removed by the UN.

anything less is failure
and war will then be the only solution, and one that should always be avoided if possible But once again we dont have time to play games with this , I would say a few Months and if not resolved you cant let him have more development time , you must move in and take him and the weapons program out.

Take it for what its worth

/bow Brother Olar, you have learned well !

I just learned (non classified release) that N. Korea is now known to have a missile that can reach Mainland U.S. they are proclaiming this Missile can hit the California Coast, so add this to the melting pot when you think about this crisis, this comes from a very good sorce ,even though its non-classified info I cant say where I got it from but im sure you can find it on the net someplace

That is common knowledge.

Well, hopefully smarter people than me are working on this problem because I would just as soon eliminate all threats and then go about my business. I really do not believe in diplomacy. The art of diplomacy is having the ability to tell someone to go to hell and have them looking forward to the trip. I would prefer to spend my energy sending them there. Again, hopefully someone with a better idea is working on it.

Hmmm, if N Korea can hit CA, then I'm glad I live east coast (just kidding). Yeah, there's no doubt the UN needs to step up and deal with the N Korea situation. I really doubt that their little weenie of a leader is just gonna up and nuke the US for the heck of it. Every developed nation in the world would crash in on him instantly. The big threat is if he gets mad or creates a reason in which the military has to invade, like if he attacks S Korea or something.

And what's up with this crap about people saying trade embargoes on Iraq and N Korea are evil. Why won't people just listen when they're told the resources go to evil things, because they do. Why give Iraq food, if most will go to his army, or trade and give him a cash supply for weapons development. Sure it hurts the people, but if you break the embargo, the Iraqis will still have a crappy situation over their with lots of poverty, and you'll only be speeding up Saddam's arming of his nation. Just watch/read Black Hawk Down to see what an evil leader will do with supplies (not all rulers, especially national rulers, will taunt people with the food then gun them down, but you get the idea).

Oh yeah, and about France. It's real easy to sit around and wait things out when the gun's not pointed at your head, like it is with the US, Britain, and Israel. If a nation or group was setting off suicide bombers in buses in Paris, France would have their military all over them before the third attack. And that's alright, because a nation has the right to protect their people. But France has the gall to scold Israel for what it's done IN DEFENSE AND RESPONSE TO attack after attack for a couple years now. Hypocrites. I'm not even pro-Israel or anything, but even I know their response has been quite measured for what they've gone through.

Im not particularly pro Isreal either but I od believe they have a right to be there, lets face it those people came from there and should be there if they so choose to be, what "most" not all but MOST muslims beleive is Isreal has NO right to live period.
thats just wrong, anyone who has to endure what they have gone through in the past several decades and be as Passive , YES passive over it is amazing!!
I say Passive because they sit there and take crap from the palistinians day after day after day and only retaliate when something big has happened... they do not go and kill 1 palistinian everytime a palistinian kills one of them ...
they could EASILY wipe out the palistinians and end this problem entirely but they dont ... they sit and wait and hope they can resolve the issues (and they wont)

Any people with that kind of staying power in a region that without doubt wants nothing more than for them to all be dead has to have credit handed there way for not wipeing out there advasaries althou they probably should in some cases do just that....

Back to the main topic though ...
N. Korea most definatly can hit us with Long range Missiles and is now believed to have a few Nukes and within a few months could have a dozen or more.. this is a crisis that MUST be dealt with and be dealt with useing force , I have read alot more on this since the original post and now its clearly evident they will not negotiate they are claiming that any Sanctions put upon them is going to be considered an act of war, with that kind of thinking how can anyone now assume that you can in any way negotiate with them?

Its time for the World to Take a Stand and shutdown the Rogue nations and all Nations that Impose detriment to the free and solvern nations with neuclear and biological weapons of mass destuction!!

Just my 2 coppers worth

Here is the article:

http://www.twistedboy.com/new_weapon.html

ROFLMAO !!

interjection of humor is always welcome !

I don't like the way this chat is heading, and I suggest it be locked. I don't think political opinions should be voiced here, thats not the purpose of this forum. I understand this is an OT post, but, still, this is getting out of hand.

what is so out of hand ?
it says (OT)
if you do not wish to read (OT) stuff dont read it its very simple
nobody forces you to click on the link, you do that of your own free will
If you do not agree with the post or posts you have the right to post in disagreement and your views , noone is stopping you from doing that!

no need to stop anyone else who WANTS to read and join in

The thing that bothered me the most was that a Linden replied. I hope you don't take this offensively Haney, but, I dont think it was appropriate for you to reply, as your post might be taken as the views of Linden Lab as a whole. I do not at all agree with you, Haney, and, since you wrote it as an employee of Linden Lab, it kind of made me feel angry at the whole company. Just my reasoning for my previous post

Interesting, I don't see Haney in this thread...