A Complaint

If Linden Lab takes disciplinary action against you that you believe was unfair or inconsistent, you may appeal the decision. An appeal is an e-mail or private message explaining your situation and why you believe you should not have been disciplined. Appeals must be sent via e-mail only to [email]abuse@secondlife.com[/email], and must follow this appeals procedure, or they will not be considered. The public forums are not an appropriate place to air grievences of this type.

Is it just me or do all these random complaint letters seem to be written by the same advanced grammarian?

~Ulrika~

a) I understand its frustrating, Darm - but the way the TOS is written, you can't retaliate from a griefing without sanction. The best thing to do, is file an AR - and wait it out. If this was just an isolated occurance for you - no worries. Just eat the ban, and be a smarter man for next time.

b) Another reason to *please* vote for Prop 244! Instead of resorting to folks having to retaliate against griefers - give us Proactive tools to prevent grief *before* it happens.

Is it just me or do i really need to tell you where to and how to get there?

Thank you.

Bull....If the person that pays LL Hundreds of RL dollars a month, then when some one comes onto that land and girefs me, bull. Im dam right gonna do what ever it takes to get them the hell off my land.

Darm should not have been banned, thatst he simple truth of the matter.
The fact the outsiders came to giref and the /LAND/ owners gave him the ok is all i need.

So buy the rules of the TSO giffers have to contact a linden before the can grief.
Its bull shit. Total and udder Bullshit.

The lindens need to get their collective heads out of thier butts and smell the Coffee.

Couse I gurantee sooner or later some one is gonna slap thier assed with a RL lawsuit....and then we are really gonna see some heads roll.

Then ban me too.....I admittedly was in the forefront fighting back against these blankety-blanks. And what pisses me off the MOST about this catastrophe of a night was that MY FRIEND, OUR FRIEND, the one conducting the wedding was the one who got banned!!!
This was an uncalled for attack on a private island...half these people were banned from the parcel BEFOREHAND. LL must do something asap about land tools. Sim owner was not available and we did what we could in his absence and when banning and ejecting repeatedly did not work, YES I shot back to protect our guests!!
I have been in SL a whole year now and been highly involved or co-owner of 3 major clubs and NEVER had to call Lindens until about 2-3 weeks ago...and now its routine. Something is wrong here!
LIFT the ban on Darm, he was an innocent bystander doing a favor by conducting a wedding...ban me and ban those fucktards that are destroying SL with their bullshit.

*claps hand togther in (edited) SL animation*
Word up sister. Couse I gurantee if I was home at the time, I would have been shooting back and much worse, of that u can be asured of.

And If ya ban her couse she did admit to firing back. I /GURANTEE/ there will be hell to be paid.

It's unfortunate that griefers exist in any online environment. Some people have less brains than sense. It's comforting to know that while most of us enjoy normal lives with spouses and/or significant others that these lame @$$es are sitting in their parents' basements bothering others.

Hmm...

And for the record, one of the guys ADMITTED they wanted SL Herald recognition for this.
And number two, one guy IM'ed me saying he was sorry, never would have done this if he knew it was a wedding, but he was told it was a war.....and he's 2 days old :-/

Thanks for your input. I will endevor to make sure that when I'm ripping pissed, that i use proper grammer and spelling.

Sigh.....

Oh gotta love trolls...sit on your friggin private islands away from all this....you have NO clue until you experience it yourself. A year I have spent as a respected member of SL and on a daily basis now I am pushed closer and closer to saying F*CK it all, it ain't worth it/

/Agree with Nog

This is really becoming a problem here in SL. One of the biggest problems is multiple
accounts...
It seems that it is much too easy for a banned character to jump right back in to the game
with a whole new identity with no actual penalty.

Why, as paying customers, are we allowing this to happen?
We play this game to escape real life, not to create a new Real Life.
The entire idea behind this game is outstanding....

A world built by users for users - as creators of this world, I believe that we should have
the ability to govern this world as well - especially those who pay for their OWN sim.

There is no reason that this should be allowed to go on inside a privately owned sim.
If there is a problem within a private sim, there should be something that the sim owner can do to resolve it without waiting for help from the Lindens....

Darm Yaffel should in NO WAY be held responsible for any of these actions. The characters that were shooting were CLEARLY on the banned from parcel list. however, this only means that the players can not land, they are free to enter the parcel and float as they wish.

Am I the only one who realizes that that isn't actually banning?
Please, Linden Labs team, I implore you to take a long look this so called "Mafia" culture within Second Life.... It is something that is driving users away

So we should be on the lookout for someone who is not only a griefer, but also a retard and an attention whore

Yeah I know it sucks, but thats the way LL has been calling it for a while lately. At least the offenders got banned too, thats a small consolation.. Hopefully they'll improve land tools soon (hopefully on the mainland too) to cut down on this, it's happening way too often nowadays.

Much obliged, sir. When it comes to credibility, poor grammar is a major red flag. If you want your audience to be most sympathetic to your cause, you should really endeavour to appear as rational as possible, even when in the midst of the reddest rage.

More on topic: where was the landowner during this conflict? Though the slow Linden response certainly wasn't helpful, the land owner (or other empowered individuals) should really be present during important events to ensure that griefers do not ride roughshod before the Lindens respond. Private enforcement of the TOS by means of land-owner tools (as opposed to TOS-violating revenge by a gun-toting mob) isn't a substitute for Linden enforcement, but it is a vital supplement.

NO.. the offenders have yet to be banned
that is the problem

The land owner has an unexpectedly VERY busy REAL life these days which in all honesty is none of anyone's business anyway. And things have gone smoothly and successfully for months with NO hassle, thus no need for him to be at our beck and call. And for the cost of maintaining a private sim, WHY should the owner not be able to give total land control to whomever he wants and trusts?
No, instead after all else fails of trying to use land controls, then retaliation, then waiting for a Linden to arrive and the ultimate result being a FRIEND getting banned....NOOOOO!!! WRONG ANSWER!!!
And for the ones who feel the need to pick on Nog's grammar, spelling, etc.....I live with him in rl and often pick on him for same things out of fun, but he is a very intelligent man, VERY...his weakness just happens to be typos. LAY OFF and pay attention to the REAL problem instead of being a safe little hermit on your invisible islands!!!

I just wanted to say that the master mind behind the whole shoothing and bombings at the wedding should be banned. When he openly told Art, My SL Mother and I in IM that he was going to ruin the wedding.. and kept threating us. And also a friend of ours over heard the master mind in room chat talking about the attacks before hand to others. Yeah I know this guy didnt show up to do the dirty work, instead he sends his mafia out. And Why should Darm, someone that was trying to help stop these jerks from shooting and bombing us be ban?? What good does it do to report ppl when only the good guys get banned? and the bad guys walk away?..

I'd suggest that you take a step back, breathe, and then reevaluate your current strategy with regard to this. My pa always said, "You gain more flies with honey than you do with shrill, pejorative invective."

You've said this a number of times, so I feel I should respond. A lot of us here don't live like hermits on invisible islands. I live on the mainland, on a completely open parcel of land. I've had griefers come by, and I've dealt with them within the bounds of the TOS. Thus far, I've had no problems with such a response. Why? Because I recognize that Justice is not instantaneous, and because I know that I am only innocent if I abstain from firing back. I despise people who grief events, but I despise people who react rashly even more.

Oh thats because ANYONE who knows me at all was shocked at my rage tonight in-game, on-air and here in forums....this is so NOT like me but you get to a point where enough is enough already! Am I raging on the wrong people, such as yourself Ardith? Yeah I am cause normally I would ignore nit-picking posts like yours, but your comments were still uncalled for and make you look like you really have nothing better to do than to pick on grammar and spelling errors.
Bottom line, these TSO mafia rejects got bored with TSO and/or realized that in SL you can have avie sex and they are taking SL by storm and ruining it for the rest of us. LL needs to stop being so freakin diplomatic and get on the ball already.
I apologize for improperly making that accusation of you Ardith, it was a general statement about hermits on private islands based on the daily forum reading that I do and I didn't intend to direct it particularly at you. I can admit when I was wrong and being a flat-out bitch.
But boy were they quick on banning the GOOD guy, yet the real offenders are still around and STILL harrassing the parties involved in IM's. And yes we know about MUTE, thats not the point when they have alt after alt after alt.
I just want my SL back!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I don't despise the ones who react even more. Or at all, even.

This is one area where the TSO model worked well. Anyone who lived on the property could boot, ban, and ignore anybody. And there was no way to stand outside or float above and continue to create havoc.

Nor can the Lindens always get there with any alacrity. Given these problems (and the Linden manpower it takes), something really needs to be done.

And I don't think the current policy - ban whoever shoots in self-defense - is working. I understand the reasoning behind it, but it doesn't work. I'm tired of hearing so many of these stories. I really think, if nothing else, they ought to hear out the people and try to be fair, rather than suspensions being so automatic and senseless.

coco

You and Coco both have very good points. Even in circumstances where people do not negatively react, the punishments are still often infrequent and ineffective. As it is, the Lindens enforce a policy of zero-tolerance that often punishes first-time offenders or retaliators as severely as people who habitually or maliciously attack others.

I do apologize for my grammar nitpicking. It wasn't relevant to the discussion, and was really rather childish. Sorry, Nog.

I agree Coco! There must be a system in place, especially on PRIVATE sims to allow for land and sim owners to govern their own land.

There must also be something in place to stop the creation of av after av after av.....
It makes absolutely no sense that these people honestly believe that they are solving something or 'making a statement' by doing childish things like this.... It is truly Laughable!
and I know that Queenie has remained level-headed since I have known her. I have seen her confronted by characters that walk around with genitalia attached begging her to touch it, and she just laughs it off, as we all should... But when something like this is done out of complete malice, it should not be taken lightly!

The longer the Lindens stand idly by doing nothing about this plague, the more the virus will spread until SL is completely uninhabitable!!!

Whoa Darm your mistake was arguing with Jill Linden of all people, (edited), you can be completely correct with your arguments and she'll ban you just cos you proved her wrong, that happened to me (on ywoski) was out for 24hours just because what she was saying was not correct and i corrected her

Basic interpretation of TOS:
A) You shoot, you get banned.
B) You shoot back, you get banned.



You admitted to shooting back - you got banned. Just like the TOS said would happen if you did. Now in the meantime, you're well within the realm of reasonability to demand the griefer be banned also.


Just my $0.02.
- Newfie