Ex Bush Official: WTC was "professional demolition"

Colette,



I agree that I think the Bush Administration is over stating the recovery of the economy. I believe they are doing so in a manner of glass half full than glass half empty. The largest problem with the economy since 9/11 has been fear, and it seems they are trying to boost confidence in the economy and the country. You they have been the source of much of the fear and the dear mongering, but a irresponsible and greedy media is also guilt (there have been so many false new stories in the past few year I have lost count).

I do think the economy is better than most people think. Pre 9/11 myself and most of my friends were making over 150K a year in IT. We were often able to charge customers $200 and hour plus for network consulting. Those customers and days are far and few between. So we aren't making almost 200K a year, but we are still professionals making 6 figures. Yes, it’s not the same be we aren't poor. I mostly hear people complaining about the good ole days. In the old days, my boss used to treat us to spa days, there was a bonus around every corner, 10% or more year increases, free lunch everyday, free snacks, cocktail hours on Fridays, and the perks went on and on. Well it’s not like that anymore, but it probably should have never been like that.

The Chicago area was very hard hit buy the Dot Com bust. We had several dot coms here and we had Lucent and Motorola, who combined layoffs thousands in the Chicago area. I have worked at both companies in the past and it is very odd to drive past office buildings that were once so full of people that once had trailers in the parking lots for overflow offices, that are now empty and closed. It is a heartbreaking. The trickle down effect on the economy in some areas has been sobering. That being said, most of the Engineers I know have found other positions, not necessarily for as much money, but they again are not impoverished. Many people have changed careers or retired. I know a large number of people who work for themselves, they don't make as much but they have a better quality of life and are free of the man. I think in IT a lot of salaries that were out of control were adjusted.



Anyway this thread is about some wacko 9/11 theories. I like the JFK theories better, they don’t fly in the face of common sense and science as much.

I'm sure things are looking great for people making six figures. They're not (on average) showing any improvement for the rest of us. My wages today are little over half what they were before the dot com bust, with little prospect of improvement. Companies are reluctant to increase staffing (good news for independant consultants, bad for employees). With weak competition for even skilled employees, wages are stagnant.

Trickle down... doesn't.

Pretty much the same in my experience im making 2/3 of what I did prior to being laid off in 2003, and Im hardly in the "Dot com / IT field".

But it is Salaries were becoming inflated in the 90's sure to a booming economy - I wouldnt expect to be able to earn what was the going rate then necessarily nowadays.

However If I left this job I would be extremely hard pressed to find another one payign the same. Thats what I mean about mobility. I am an educated professional with a good work record and am reguarded as good at what I do. I shoudl be fairly mobile.

Im not - this is an issue if its widespread.

Interesting point, Hiro. Reminds me of the notion that aliens(!) must have built the Egyptian/Mexican pyramids because how could "mere" Africans and Indians acomplish such a feat?

They probably get more traffic than the Washington Times where the article first appeared.

I don't think anyone in this thread or the original article suggested "republicans" planned it. NORAD stood down, TPTB in my government are equally complicit. The only thing I'm certain of is Larry Silverstein admitted to controlled demolition on Building 7 and it takes days to wire a building that big with explosives. I'm also certain that buildings can't fall straight down unless explosives are set off with precision timing. Steel buildings are demolition experts hardest challenge. Rebar/concrete is a lot easier to take down.

If I find a link to Canada Steamship lines and the steel recycling then I'm learning to speak Russian and I'm outta here.


And then there is the Mossad agents who set up cameras by the Hudson River and trained them on the twin towers.



http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

Traffic does not mean mainstream

Mainstream implies a journalistic responsibility. A willingess to be impartial. And no desire to sensationalize stories for ratings.

Many mainstream sources have , on occasion crossed the line - CBS news. The test was how they responded.

As to the "science" -- in academic circles; the first place information is presented generally is not in a news story. It is put into a publication for peer reveiw.

The answer to
"Is Drudge mainstream?"

is
"no"

I find it amusing that some folks won't give Clinton any credit for the surplus and great economy when he was in office, but on the same token, won't blame Bush, who has spent money faster than anyone can count it since coming into office, for the bad economy. We have a record high deficit. It's not gonna just dissapear. In four years we went from a great surplus to a record high deficit under Bush. Umm..glad you are paying less taxes. I'm sure that will comfort all the people out of work and hungry over the next 20 years.

Bush has been horrendous for the economy. Even his own party has reluctantly agreed.

His energy plan equates to ecological suicide all so the energy corporations can aquaire even more wealth.

His social security plan is based solely on the desire to get young folks to put all of their money into corporate stocks, making corporations more money. Then if they are unlucky, or the economy crashes (which many experts believe it will due to Bush's rape of it), they will have little to no money for retirement.

Bush stands for one thing = Greed

Someday my friend. I promise to do what I can to bring us closer to your vision.

the problem is -- you have to cite What policies Clinton pushed through congress to create the surplus

And what policies Bush pushed through congress to create the deficits

Then those policies would have to be realistically evaluated by serious economists as to their likely impact.

From a Economic standpoint -
you cant just say
"we had a surplus during Clinton - so hes better"
"we dont with Bush so hes Worse"
its unrealistic


The Truth is Americans were making a lot more discretionary income during the Clinton Years thus spent and saved - this results in wealth creation.

Then the Markets fell - this results in recession.

If theres a true recovery it wont be becuase of Bush either.

K i said all that - I will add a few things since were comparing Clinton to Bush

some of what Clinton did better than Bush

- Clinton had more respect around the World then Bush. The obsession with Monicagate was mainly feuled in American media.

- Clinton actively tried to work with different groups to come to solutions , some more liberals deride him as a centrist - i think more that he was realistic about what could be accomplished.

- Clinton was an active defender of Civil liberties and supported them as a part of freedom. Bush seems to think these can be seperate things.

I really disagree. For evey sob story, there is a sucess story. I know plent of people who are mid range salaries, who have seen their salary steadily increase.


And really 6 figures isnt crap in a major city when you have a shoe fetish, and video game habits.

Well, really, who doesn't?

Anecdotally, there will always be a few people who will take a lemon and make whiskey sours, bless their hearts. But the numbers show that hiring and wage growth are lagging far behind the modest rate of recovery. Companies got hurt by the latest downturn, and they're not optimistic enough to hire and/or promote people.

Low unemployment usually spurs some wage increases due to competition for workers, but it just doesn't seem to be happening this time around.

My situation is frustrating, but I'm doing okay. I know a lot of people going into credit spirals just trying to keep up with rent and bills. With the real estate market going insane, just keeping a roof over your head can be a struggle as tax assessments go up and up.

It's not the worst I've seen in my lifetime. But it's not good.

Well..a 6 figure salary is certainly better than a 5 figure salary, and whole lot better than the folks making minimum wage in that same major city. Have you seen thr figures on the "increasing number of jobs" as the Bush administration likes to call it? A large percentage of those new jobs are poverty level wage jobs.

On a related note, anyone watch the first episode of "30 Days" on wednesday? He and his fiancee lived off of minimum wage for 30 days. It was really really good. Really showed how minimum wage isn't a living wage.

The US government deliberatly destroyed the WTC? Oh come on, how huge an operation that must have been. You can't keep something like that secret for long, it's too big. Bill couldn't keep a BJ secret, but Bush can knock down the WTC?

I suppose they also installed powerful electromagnets in the towers and Pentagon that actually sucked the planes hundreds of miles off course and into the buildings?

I have no idea whether the Bush administration is complicit in the WTC disaster.
Either in initiating and causing it.
Or in keeping quiet and letting it happen.
Or even in seizing the opportunity of the impacts, and rapidly installing explosives to worsen the episode.

What I do know is that the incident was exactly what they needed, and what they had been hoping for, to assist them in rousing, terifying and thus controlling their population.

I know this because I have read the document "Project for a New American Century" drafted two years or so earlier by the exact gang who had come to power. This document explains exactly what must be done. and the need to wait for such a "trigger event" before the plan can be put in action.

The WTC was that trigger event, and the openly published plan is going like clockwork. Even things apparently "going wrong" in Iraq are actually just fine. A strong, unified, democratic Iraq is NOT in US interest. Civil war, division, continuing US police presence, US control of critical resources, all this is just perfect.