Ex Bush Official: WTC was "professional demolition"

It is interesting to me and always has been that the tragic and horrifying attacks on the World Trade Center occurred during the same week that independent newspapers were to release the results of independent votes counting that would have left Gore, not Bush, the rightful president of the U.S.

Not this again? Time to move on people.

*yawns*

My conspiracy theory is that conservatives are fabricating and planting these other conspiracy theories to make liberals look gullible. (Kind of like the phony records about Bush being a lazy spoiled draft dodger detracted from the issue that Bush WAS a lazy spoiled draft dodger).

And it's more fun than following the analysis required for an informed debate on Social Security.

But only in one very small area compared to the size of the rest of the structure. How is the full structure going to fall straight down because of a fire up top. I could believe the top portion only could fall, to the side maybe.



I don't think it will help. All they needed was to tell a story of a magic passport that survived the impact, flew out of the hijackers pocket, through a fireball, landed on the street undamaged and everyone was convinced.

Even after the guy who owned the passport showed up and said "Hey, that's me, stop showing my picture please", nobody cared. 9 of the original 19 have turned up alive.




Fired shortly after.




Yes, that's what I heard. Although I don't know anyone in FDNY or FAA or NORAD to confirm this point.






Another Pearl Harbour simile:






Is Drudge mainstream?

Of course it was demolished by the republicans!

I mean, it had to have been planned, even the load bearing outer walls innovation was obviously part of the plan. After all, the towers were built during the Nixon administration, so it only stands to reason.

The Holocaust was a lie too, because the world didn't already have ample reason to hate the Nazis after they tried to take over the world...

The Moon landing? Bleh! That was just crafty film work on back lot studio in California. Ever seen 'Capricorn One'? OJ is in it, and oh man, does he everplay a convincing role. It's such a shame that his future ex-wife had to be silenced by Latin American drug lords.

I hear that there is compelling evidence that will hit the media later this month, implicating Baretta's Cockatoo in the murder of his deceased wife... it's based upon an intensive study of the bird in which he was heard to say "I hate that bitch, and I am gonna get my gun and blow her brains out!"

Well..I don't have enough evidence to make a judgement on what did or didn't happen, but I will say with absolute confidence, our government is capable of far worse things than most people can imagine, and even those of us that do think them capable, would probably be very shocked and dismayed still to learn all the truths. As far as Bush, his character, and his morals and values go, he is more than capable of using 1000's of lives to further his agenda, and is doing so now.

Now I know what the country is like with a dumbass as president. How come america was democrait for soo long until reagan?

If you noticed that one of the towers starting leaning like a tree being cut down. Take away that much support and the sheer weight will bring it down.

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You are all wrong! This guy did it.

Popular Mechanics did a very nice article debunking some of the more popular Conspiracy Mongering. The beginning of the article matches my opinions exactly.

"Healthy skepticism, it seems, has curdled into paranoia. Wild conspiracy tales are peddled daily on the Internet, talk radio and in other media. Blurry photos, quotes taken out of context and sketchy eyewitness accounts have inspired a slew of elaborate theories: The Pentagon was struck by a missile; the World Trade Center was razed by demolition-style bombs; Flight 93 was shot down by a mysterious white jet. As outlandish as these claims may sound, they are increasingly accepted abroad and among extremists here in the United States...."

"In the end, we were able to debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose of common sense. We learned that a few theories are based on something as innocent as a reporting error on that chaotic day. Others are the byproducts of cynical imaginations that aim to inject suspicion and animosity into public debate. Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.--THE EDITORS"

The full article is found HERE

That ROCKED!!!!

This official's whole story is based on assuming that a bunch of Arabs couldnt' outwit the US government, which is sheer crap. Some people are so ethnocentric that they believe that we're smart and Arabs are stupid. It's racism, plain and simple. When you get dozens of people working for a decade on a project, I'm not surprised these goat-lovers were able to pull off the 9/11 hijacking.

How many times do we have to debunk this kind of stuff? It's been almost 5 years. Engineers who build the Trade Center also said that the amount of fuel in the planes' tanks would certainly melt the metal after an hour, and that the towers were designed to collapse vertically rather than topple and take out other buildings.

Pearly Harbor, however, is a much more compelling conspiracy theory.

Please explain the Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory and how it connects to 9/11. The theories put forward by John Toland, James Rusbridger, Robert Stinnett and many others have been fairly demolished by FOIA releases, cross-referenced oral interviews, and the release of information from the Japanese imperial archives over the last 15 years.

They werent arguing a conspiracy from Perl harbor , instead suggested the power/removal of freedoms grab was similar.

Not really true in my opinion, since the aftermath of that was a major voluntary cooperation of the media. A national draft. Interment of large numbers of Americans, and the rationaing of necessary good for the war effort. AMoung other things.

Craziness...woooooooweee! Sorry, this thread just pushes me past the point of desire for debate into the desire to burn my eyes out with hot pokers so I don't have to keep seeing "our government is killing thousands of babies...on purpose!" stories... bleh.. maybe I'm just not in the mood for tinfoil hat storytime.

very interesting article, thank you.

The building was designed from the get-go to collapse in on itself in the event of a catastrophic event (like a plane smashing into them); this was in order to prevent the buildings from tumbling 115,000 TONS of steel and glass and people onto 20 Manhattan blocks, killing many and destroying half the city.

Furthermore... jet fuel, when ignited, is hot. REALLY hot. Like, vaporize-steel-hot. If it's hot enough to vaporize steel, the floors above (many thousands of tons of material) have nothing to sit on. So they fall down at the rate of 9.8m/sec/sec. 15,000 tons of material slamming into something at the rate of gravity is going to do SOMETHING; it's not too feasible to assume that the girders below went "ungh" and snapped at the prospect of a huge striking force being applied to them all at once; hence, the tumbling.

LF

That's what I just said! =p

The steel in the upper floors of both towers did not melt. Aviation fuel burns at a thousand degrees under what the melting point of steel is. Rather, steel loses its tensile strength at higher temperatures. After an hour of being heated to approximately 1800*F, the steel structural elements on the upper floors of both towers had lost between 50 to 80 percent of their load carrying capacity, and had begun to twist and shear.

The problem was made worse by the structural design of the WTC which depended solely on interlocking, light steel struts and had an integrated ventilation system that carried burning fuel further down. If the planes had hit the Empire State Building, with its compartmented HVAC system and its heavy steel and concrete design (as a B-25 bomber did during the Second World War), that building probably wouldn't have fallen, or even suffered severe structural damage.

No no no... It was masterminded by the Bavarian Illuminati who activated their sleeper agents through the implanted computer chips in their brains. These agents, slack jawed and glassy eyed, then went forth to purchase box cutters and plane tickets.


Ok, let me make sure I have this correct.... Every neo-lib on these boards exults with child-like glee at any opportunity to call the president a moron, idiot, etc. (in between the various skull scratching bouts as to why they can't get their candidate elected) But now he's the evil mastermind who staged 9/11 to promote the patriot act and a war in Iraq..... Ok, everyone back on their meds!!!!!!

Or it could be that the President IS a moron, idiot, etc....

Judging a person by their actions is usually a pretty safe way to go.