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Tracking peoples locations in SL..does it violate your privacy?

Tracking people in SL. Does it violate your privacy?

Yes
31 (27.9%)

No
80 (72.1%)

Total votes: 111
Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,606
12-13-2004 08:01
I was wondering what people think about this issue of someone being able to track you in SL via Calling Card. Of course people will have their reasons as to why it may or may not Violate their Privacy. What is your view?
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Changeling Fate
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Join date: 18 Dec 2003
Posts: 181
12-13-2004 08:07
I am going to say 'no' - because you agree to be tracked the moment you trade cards. Consentual and all.
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Aimee Weber
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Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
12-13-2004 08:08
Nope. When i trade cards with someone i WANT them to know where I am.

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Anshe Chung
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Join date: 22 Mar 2004
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12-13-2004 08:10
I voted "no" for same reason as Changeling. What would clearly violate privacy would, for example, be one network of people scanners at telehubs or in "sensitive" locations.
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Oz Spade
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12-13-2004 08:12
Calling Card, no. You can break that bond at anytime by canceling the card, and you are consenting to it when you trade the card.

Using a follower or as Anshe says a telehub scanner (maybe coupled with a follower that rezzes a new one at each telehub you transport to, A HAH! Another chink in the Telehub chain of armor! Makes it more suspetable to followers!), would be a violation of privacy and more than likely against the CS/TOS in some form.
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Tito Gomez
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Join date: 1 Aug 2004
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12-13-2004 08:21
Agree with all of the above. I only have cards from those people I do not mind knowing if I am online, or where I am. Now, if folks were tracking me by different means, and I was not aware of it, then yes, it would bother me quite a bit.

- T -
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Khamon Fate
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Join date: 21 Nov 2003
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12-13-2004 08:21
there is no privacy in sl
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Ace Cassidy
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Join date: 5 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,228
12-13-2004 08:23
Of course not!

If you don't wanna be "tracked", delete the tracker's calling card. Or better yet, only exchange cards with those that you are willing to allow know where you are whenever you're in-world.

- Ace
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Blake Rockwell
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12-13-2004 08:42
It can also present the possible scenario of "Fatal Attraction."
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Torley Linden
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Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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12-13-2004 09:03
Context.

While someone may know where I am, this may be different from me wanting them to always be where I am. If someone is wondering and the case is ambiguous, then it can be settled as followed: it is considerate for them to ask to be TPed to my location -- as opposed to appearing unannounced (with certain exceptions).

Most of my fellow avatars, thankfully, have been quite respectful in doing this, and I am thankful. :)
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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Join date: 14 Nov 2003
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12-13-2004 09:07
Definitely not, its consensual.

On the other hand, I would VERY much like to have "SET INVISIBLE" mode in addition to "SET AWAY" and "SET BUSY". In "SET INVISIBLE" mode you would show up as offline, you wouldn't appear as a green dot on the amp or the minimap, and IMs would be saved in the same fashion as when you're actually offline. When going into "SET INVISIBLE" mode, everyone on your calling card list would see a log off notification (FlipperPA Peregrine is offline) and your green dots would disappear.

When you "SET VISIBLE" to come out of invisible mode, people with you calling card would be notified that you just "logged in", IMs would be delivered, and you would reappear on the map as a green dot.

I'd love to have this.

-Flip
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Oz Spade
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Join date: 23 Sep 2003
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12-13-2004 09:10
I second that again! Would love to have an invisible mode.
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Hank Ramos
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Join date: 15 Nov 2003
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12-13-2004 09:10
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
Definitely not, its consensual.

On the other hand, I would VERY much like to have "SET INVISIBLE" mode in addition to "SET AWAY" and "SET BUSY". In "SET INVISIBLE" mode you would show up as offline, you wouldn't appear as a green dot on the amp or the minimap, and IMs would be saved in the same fashion as when you're actually offline. When going into "SET INVISIBLE" mode, everyone on your calling card list would see a log off notification (FlipperPA Peregrine is offline) and your green dots would disappear.

When you "SET VISIBLE" to come out of invisible mode, people with you calling card would be notified that you just "logged in", IMs would be delivered, and you would reappear on the map as a green dot.

I'd love to have this.

-Flip


This would be an awesome eavesdropping and griefer tool! :D Just go invisible, then blast and listen all you want, without anyone knowing about it! :D

Seriously though, to be invisible, you'd really need to exist in some sort of off-line SL mode where you don't interact with the world, and it doesn't interact with you.
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Blake Rockwell
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12-13-2004 09:12
I think he's talking about being visible, but; your Calling Card showing you as offline and not being able to be tracked via green dot on map.
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Shadow Weaver
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Join date: 13 Jan 2003
Posts: 2,808
12-13-2004 09:13
<<<Blink duh....Geesh Blake Ok I will be civil but please Grab your ankles and pull forward real hard until you hear an audible POP and your cerebrum is removed from your 4th point of Contact.

Then you can see what everyone else has stated above its consentual otherwise anyone that bitches that is a violation of their privacy needs to wear a Sign ....lest we need to announce what the sign would say.

But anyway, NO is my answer

Shadow

PS yes I'am a condiscending anus today so get over it.
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Hank Ramos
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Join date: 15 Nov 2003
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12-13-2004 09:14
From: Blake Rockwell
I think he's talking about being visible, but; your Calling Card showing you as offline and being able to be tracked via green dot on map.


Well, all you need to do is to make an invisible avatar, or just hide near someone. If you don't show up on the map, nobody will know you are there eavesdropping or shooting/sniping at them. Or just follow them around, whereever they do. Become an SL stalker! :D

All I'm saying is that you'll have to be totally disconnected from the world, in an offline sandbox, to make invisibility mode truly work and not become a griefer tool.
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Torley Linden
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12-13-2004 09:17
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
On the other hand, I would VERY much like to have "SET INVISIBLE" mode in addition to "SET AWAY" and "SET BUSY". In "SET INVISIBLE" mode you would show up as offline, you wouldn't appear as a green dot on the amp or the minimap, and IMs would be saved in the same fashion as when you're actually offline. When going into "SET INVISIBLE" mode, everyone on your calling card list would see a log off notification (FlipperPA Peregrine is offline) and your green dots would disappear.


Yes, I'm convinced something like this is needed for the reason that a disproportionate number of my friends in SL have created alts so they can have the focus they need (including IMs at times) when they are building and scripting and whatnot. I understand this, and I also see how having alts for this purpose could be a less-than-desirable method. To have this as a toggle-able option would be most welcome.
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Blake Rockwell
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12-13-2004 09:17
Also being able to be tracked by Griefers and then signing on alts to put out a hit on you at a location is an issue also..making things inconvenient when they Blast you a 100 meters away while you are dancing in a Club.
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Lecktor Hannibal
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12-13-2004 09:20
From: Blake Rockwell
Also being able to be tracked by Griefers and then signing on alts to put out a hit on you at a location is an issue also..making things inconvenient when they Blast you a 100 meters away while you are dancing in a Club.

You haven't heard the pop yet have you ?
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Mina Firefly
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Join date: 11 Aug 2004
Posts: 341
12-13-2004 10:02
I don't mind being tracked down myself since i've got nothing to hide.

:D

I even think Linden Labs secretly spies on people too.
At least most game masters in online games have to ability to look what you're doing , without you seeing them.
Newfie Pendragon
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Join date: 19 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,025
12-13-2004 10:09
From: Mina Firefly
I even think Linden Labs secretly spies on people too.
At least most game masters in online games have to ability to look what you're doing , without you seeing them.


Personally, I dont mind at all if the Lindens secretly look over my shoulder. Deserves them right if they get burned-out retinas. :D


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Shadow Weaver
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Join date: 13 Jan 2003
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12-13-2004 10:12
Newfie
From: someone
Personally, I dont mind at all if the Lindens secretly look over my shoulder. Deserves them right if they get burned-out retinas.


That only works if they are from the 9th notch in the ((insert self admonishing sigular edifying self imposed Religion here))

pfft.

Shadow
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Cristiano Midnight
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12-13-2004 10:43
What violates privacy is your continued use of non-anonymous polls, Blake.
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Adam Cooper
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12-13-2004 11:00
Simple answer.................

NOOOOOOOOOOO


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Milo Bukowski
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Join date: 23 Dec 2003
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12-13-2004 11:03
I like the ability to see if someone is at an event before bugging them.

But yeah, there are times I just don't want anyone bothering me, so I think some parts of the Invisible mode feature are worth it. Pretty much everything except the dot not showing on maps. If there's an av, there should be a dot.
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