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pandastrong Fairplay
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Join date: 16 Aug 2004
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01-25-2005 08:55
From: Ferran Brodsky
Oh that's quaint, bolding only the stuff you believe is relavant. Let's address the parts you seem to miss.


Yeah, I bolded the stuff I thought was appropriate for my argument. If I was a psychic, I would have bolded yours as well! (for a small fee). ;)

From: Ferran Brodsky
ok, let's paraphrase shall we?
Regulating to protect. Ethical capitalism. Removal of wealth by taxation.
So protect me from myself, run my business. Government clearly knows what is best for me. If I make money, the government should get a cut for doing nothing more than existing?


People who relinquish personal freedom to be secure deserve neither freedom or security.
-Allow people to live as they see fit, natural selection works in a business model.

The government that governs best governs least.
- Lets take a look at government supported arts through history shall we? Hitler, Stalin, the USA...

As far as artisan cooperatives, I have yet to participate in a for profit project that is not a cooperative effort. And, taken in part in several where I do not profit at all. But I am free to opt not to do this if I desire it.


Ferran, I never injected my own opinion into the content of the political discussion. I was simply speaking to Ulrika's character and the scope of her goals. For all you know, I could be a Libertarian and agree with you.


From: Ferran Brodsky

I think her platform is wrong, I think her reasoning is wrong. Is freedom of speech wrong too? If Ulrika wants to govern and lead her crusade she can do it with you and the rest of her flock, but stop bothering the rest of us, we are capable of deciding for ourselves.


Me and the rest of her flock??? Ferran, I am not a member of the SDF and have not spoken with you about my personal political views. I have not said that I agreed with Ulrika's platform or her actions. I certainly hope that it is your passion for the matter that is blinding you to these insane assumptions you are making about me, and not just ignorance.


From: Ferran Brodsky

Griefers also contribute to SL immersion. A contribution can be negative, and her contribution IS.


Great point. I just think that if you worded some of your previous statements with just as much tact, the conversation would become a bit less like a wrestling match (thanks Torley!).


From: Ferran Brodsky

So maginalizing me with a few more words and Quoting an excerpt from a broken platform is ok? it's just as ugly. How the hell does meddling in someone else's affairs benefit anyone in the community except for maybe Ulrika and her ilk?


Please explain how I marginalized you, Ferran. If I did, I truly apologize. I believe that my original sentiments echoed an appreciation for disagreeing with Ulrika's platform and position.

I will not get into what I truly feel about "How the hell does meddling in someone else's affairs benefit anyone in the community except for maybe Ulrika and her ilk?", because I see that tempers are flaring and I am just gonna be attacked.

And it's only Tuesday! I can't be attacked on a Tuesday! :eek:
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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01-25-2005 09:44
From: Ferran Brodsky
- Lets take a look at government supported arts through history shall we? Hitler, Stalin, the USA...
Speaking of taxation, I should receive L$100 every time someone compares me to Hitler or Stalin. Let's call it the hyperbolic rhetorical cliché tax. :D

~Ulrika~
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01-25-2005 09:50
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Speaking of taxation, I should receive L$100 every time someone compares me to Hitler or Stalin. Let's call it the hyperbolic rhetorical cliché tax. :D

~Ulrika~


Ummmm... I can vouch that Ulrika is not Hitler, Stalin or Elvis. They be dead. Ok, well Hitler and Stalin are.

(ps. I don't think that post was actually comparing you to those evil-doers)
Kendra Bancroft
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01-25-2005 10:11
From: Surreal Farber
*goes immediately to have kinky lesbian sex outside of marriage while drinking frozen rum drinks with little umbrellas


I tend to save that type of behaviour for RL.
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01-25-2005 10:12
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Speaking of taxation, I should receive L$100 every time someone compares me to Hitler or Stalin. Let's call it the hyperbolic rhetorical cliché tax. :D

~Ulrika~


I see you more as Cristina Ricci with Che Guevera's brain.
Lance LeFay
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01-25-2005 10:13
From: Moleculor Satyr
So they shouldn't ever have sex outside of marriage, shouldn't be kinky, shouldn't do ANY sort of drug, marijuana or otherwise, should be quietly anti-homosexual, and all that other wonderful "higher ethical standards" crap that gets tossed around?

Business ethics.

Although I agree this is a dead horse that has been beaten quite enough.
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01-25-2005 10:19
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Speaking of taxation, I should receive L$100 every time someone compares me to Hitler or Stalin. Let's call it the hyperbolic rhetorical cliché tax. :D

~Ulrika~


More like Morey Povich or Jerry Springer... only not as amusing or harmless.
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Munchflower Zaius
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01-25-2005 10:57
Ulrika has every right to do whatever she wants. If she feels the need to lead a HUGE crusade based on rumor and conjecture, try to force her opinion on everyone when NOBODY has asked her to, dominate the forums, HURT the other people with a vested interest in SL exchange by trying to shut it down against thier will, spread slander, and make a martyr of herself when she doesn't have a leg to stand on, who are we to stop her?

Ulrika, nobody wants unfair business practices, but it is NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS. You don't own it, you don't work for it, you don't serve it.

You've done nothing but harm.

Nothing.
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01-25-2005 11:08
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Francis Chung
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01-25-2005 11:43
From: Munchflower Zaius

Ulrika, nobody wants unfair business practices, but it is NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS. You don't own it, you don't work for it, you don't serve it.


You're thinking of what happens between consenting adults.

How my business associates do business is my business.

There have been enough accusations of impropriety and scandal that I've become concerned about the ethical practices of who I'm doing business with. I do not have time to deal with dishonest people. It is not unreasonable to ask for an explanation for the events that have unfolded over the last week.

I have temporarily suspended my listings from SL Exchange, until I can hear both sides of the story, at which time I will make a final decision.
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pandastrong Fairplay
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01-25-2005 11:50
From: Francis Chung
You're thinking of what happens between consenting adults.

How my business associates do business is my business.

There have been enough accusations of impropriety and scandal that I've become concerned about the ethical practices of who I'm doing business with. I do not have time to deal with dishonest people. It is not unreasonable to ask for an explanation for the events that have unfolded over the last week.

I have temporarily suspended my listings from SL Exchange, until I can hear both sides of the story, at which time I will make a final decision.


Stalin!
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~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media



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01-25-2005 12:51
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
I am not representing anyone in any way. I simply want ethical business practices in SL.


Correction, you want YOUR business to be practicing in SL. If this is not true, scrap your idea for a similar service. Entirely. Don't even hand it off to someone else.
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01-25-2005 12:55
From: Francis Chung
You're thinking of what happens between consenting adults.

How my business associates do business is my business.

There have been enough accusations of impropriety and scandal that I've become concerned about the ethical practices of who I'm doing business with. I do not have time to deal with dishonest people. It is not unreasonable to ask for an explanation for the events that have unfolded over the last week.

I have temporarily suspended my listings from SL Exchange, until I can hear both sides of the story, at which time I will make a final decision.



It's best to just agree with Francis. She's got the weaponry to back up her opinion! :eek:
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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01-25-2005 13:30
From: Tikki Kerensky
Correction, you want YOUR business to be practicing in SL. If this is not true, scrap your idea for a similar service. Entirely. Don't even hand it off to someone else.
Done. I'll halt development immediately. I think it's critical in order to have legitimacy on this topic. You can count on me to honor that.

~Ulrika~
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01-25-2005 17:22
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Done. I'll halt development immediately. I think it's critical in order to have legitimacy on this topic. You can count on me to honor that.

~Ulrika~



Ummm... about like you honored the following? (From Boycott SLExchange Redux)

From: Ulrika Zugzwang
I'm actually going to step out of this. I'm standing in the middle of the road and getting hit by traffic going both directions. I'm very happy that the situation is now clear enough for people to make their own minds. That's good enough for me! :D
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Devlin Gallant
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01-25-2005 17:52
From: Lance LeFay
Business ethics.

Although I agree this is a dead horse that has been beaten quite enough.


Eww, that horse hasn't just been beaten...it's been pulped.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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01-25-2005 23:53
From: Surreal Farber
Ummm... about like you honored the following? (From Boycott SLExchange Redux)
Yes. Exactly like that. :D

That statement was made right after I was asked by Merwan not to use his name. I wasn't sure if I should continue as I value his opinion. The next day I was treated to a one-on-one discussion with someone in the know and I felt that there was then sufficient evidence to proceed with a public educational campaign and boycott.

Similarly, I will also resume work on my code as soon as Apo and Merwan resolve their differences. Until then it is frozen in its current state as a show of commitment to ethical business practices in SL. If and when it is released it will be open source, as promised before.

It's a little something I call making intelligent choices based on the information available to maximize benefit instead of dogmatically sticking to reactive emotional decisions. :cool:

~Ulrika~
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01-27-2005 09:34
From: David Valentino
It's best to just agree with Francis. She's got the weaponry to back up her opinion! :eek:


I agree with Francis because I believe her to be right, not because she has the ability to set my avatar on fire if I tick her off...really, honestly... you believe me, right? :D
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01-27-2005 09:44
From: Kendra Bancroft
I see you more as Cristina Ricci with Che Guevera's brain.


Damn Kendra thats almost disgustingly scary I mean come on Cristina Ricci's Teeth and mouth structure OMG..ack...Kinda reminds me of Bill Engval's Dorkfish routine.

I think you owe Ulrika an apology.....

Shadow
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01-27-2005 09:53
From: Shadow Weaver
Damn Kendra thats almost disgustingly scary I mean come on Cristina Ricci's Teeth and mouth structure OMG..ack...Kinda reminds me of Bill Engval's Dorkfish routine.

I think you owe Ulrika an apology.....

Shadow



Not to mention her abnormally large forehead...I was talking about Ricci by the way :p
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01-27-2005 09:59
Yeah I forgot about that Talen ....Billboard Space...LOL
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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01-27-2005 10:02
From: Talen Morgan
Not to mention her abnormally large forehead...I was talking about Ricci by the way :p
I actually look very much like Cristina Ricci in RL (in her earlier chubbier days). Although I'm going to have to stop coloring my hair black soon. :D

~Ulrika~
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01-27-2005 10:13
ummmm.....ooook not going there but I would tell what I said about Cristina Ricci to her face...she might cry but its my honest opinion... I used to think she was cute n all but then it started to drone on me ....grrrrr... I hate when that happens

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01-27-2005 10:50
From: Ulrika Zugzwang

Until these issues are resolved, SL's most respected artisans will have nothing to do with SLEX.


With all due respect, Ulrika, but i am wondering: Who are you to talk in behalf of SL's "most respected" artisans? And does this mean that an artisan that lists his/her products on SLex doesn't deserve respect?
I think you are kind of going beyond the limits with sentences like this one, if i were in your shoes, i would rephrase.
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01-27-2005 10:53
From: Shiryu Musashi
With all due respect, Ulrika, but i am wondering. Who are you to talk in behalf of SL's "most respected" artisans? And does this mean that an artisan that lists his/her products on SLex doesn't deserve respect?
I think you are kind of going beyond the limits with sentences like this one, if i were in your shoes, i would rephrase.
Never trust a paragraph that starts with the words, "with all due respect". ;)

~Ulrika~
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