Point-to-point != kill Telehubs

That has been my experience as well. There is nothing lucrative about being in a telehub area as a vendor, unless the only way you can ever attract business is through the off chance that someone will get trapped inside your store. My Mavericks, Blue, and Inari stores are all quite far from telehubs - and they are the three that do consistently the best in sales, even over stores in private sims.

If avatars are the greatest source of lag, doesn't wearing yet another attachment (ROAM,...) add to the load as well? I get better performance when skating without it on.

Good post! Thanks for the fresh perspective, Owner.

I like this solution the best.

The "you" was the proverbial you, not you-Jim. Constantly changing everything discourages the commercial class.

I think your logic is rather like someone in 1900 suggesting that the automobile will never replace the horse, because people can still have horses if they want.

Buster

P.S. I own no telehub land, and I am in favor of P2P teleport. It troubles me that such a change could be highly disruptive to the business community, however, and there might be unhappy people with telehub land crashing and meanwhile malls popping up just anywhere. The cure might be worse than the disease.

Telehub malls have been closing recently. Centreville was once the great mall of SL, now it's a ghost town. Nuba, once a busy place, is less than half full.

Seems telehub malls have had their day in the sun, but times change, telehubs are added. The economy stays the same. Only so much cash going around.

I give up .... Im apparently incapable of making myself clear, and continue to have words put in my mouth.

Consequently Im shutting it.

Actually I meant for my automobile-won't-replace-the-horse to be a response to Jarod's original thread starter, not YOU, Jim. oops. (In fact, I meant my message to clarify that I didn't mean you-jim in my earlier message, I meant you-LL.)

(Sorry)

Buster

Well, you do have a point there.

coco

That's right, compensation is a slippery slope. We don't need to add favortism to the mix.

Thank you Weedy, very well put.

Which makes me think. If this really WERE the real world, we would have a system where there was a government and we could vote on things like this, and elect representatives to help decide things like this.

But we can't, so there is a sort of taxation without representation. And/or changing around of everything without representation.

This is part of my thinking regarding how this can be not a game but a platform for monetizing (is that really a verb?), and yet we have no real representation regarding whether monumental landscape and economical changes do or do not occur. How can anyone have a "real" business in an environment like that?

Ditto for slander. (Or is it libel?) How can people be considered to have real businesses - not just than game businesses - when others can slander them or their businesses at will without repercussion?

How can anything really be a monetizing platform when all the rules, enforcement, and changes in the rules (or the environment) are done without representation? That alone makes it most unreal.

How can we have a monetizing platform and say at the same time, "Well, you knew the risk, things can change any minute"? Some of those changes can have huge repercussions on people who have invested a lot of real life money in SL - that is, have paid a whole lot of real life money to the Lindens.

And yet - it's understood that it's all a crap shoot, and the people trying to use this monetizing platform know they're really just playing in the Lindens' back yard and shouldn't get too upset when the whole thing is changed and their investments go partially down the drain and they can't vote about it or elect representatives or anything.

coco

The only thing constant is change. I would say that the commercial class has enjoyed a long run with the telehub system as it is.

I don't get the whole compensation schtick really.

The land originally went up on auction - all for the same base price.

People in world bid it up - people in world resold it for a higher price - people in world said 'oh lordy looky looky, telehub land!' and paid a higher price for it.

I don't get where the Lindens come into to the 'compensation' appeal.... We set the price - we agreed to pay the price - so my train of thought tends towared 'tough titties for us'.

Siggy.

This is why I think I should pay for P2P. Imagine the ad angle:

"No need to pay for P2P to get to us, we're 100m from a Telehub!!!"

This makes TH land still desirable, and the P2P still useable.



Edited to say: BTW, this is a facinating thread....

I'll be glad to see telehubs go away.

I use find to find my destination, and then the process goes something like as follows:

1) Teleport
2) Start flying in the direction of destination
3) 20 seconds later a ****ing store has rezzed around me while I'm flying, curse the owner, make a point of not buying their stuff and hunt for the exit
4) continue flying
5) 30 seconds later the client locks up and becomes unresponsive
6) a minute or two later the client starts responding again and I find I have overshot my destination by a few kilometers and am currently crushing my forehead into the side of someone's building (doesn't seem to be related to sim borders)
7) turn around, repeat steps 5 and 6 a few more times until you eventually get there.

In the days of text based MUCKs (which I see as the predecessor to SL) most of the interesting places had their own teleport locations which took you to the entryway or whatever. I don't see why this can't be the case here, it's not RL if it were then instead of teleporting we'd have to wait half an hour for a bus to turn up that is full of scary weird people (ok, we have the last bit of that )

As for all the people who paid extra money for the privelege of shoving unwanted buildings between me and the content I'm trying to access, I'm sorry but I have as much sympathy as I do for the likes of DoubleClick now that popup and ad blockers are commonplace. Find places is a valid form as advertising, maybe the odd billboard but lets just leave it at that.

I've thought this myself many times, Coco. If SL is to gain "real RL business" (am I really writing "real RL" ? ) there must be some way to try to maintain the status quo and ensure that RL businesses have a degree of security. Resident representation would definitely be a tool I'd like to see implemented. As for telehubs vs. P2P, let's have both.

My point exactly.
why Hyperteleportation is a godsend. I sometimes still use hubs for trips that might take.... longer that few minutes, THEN hypertelport.
I also immediately engage my phantomizer, but....

We need to start a poll about how many people have actually baught something by passing by a store when they were intending to fly to their destination or such, additionally how often this has happened, like 0, 1-5, 5-10, 10-20, 20+

I have asked a lot of my friends on SL, and they have told that they have never done so.

So, I would like some backup, or proof as some people would call it about this particular statement.

On another note, if LL would like to specialize who can teleport by paying a fee or such, I would rather they promote their premium accounts, by giving premium accounts unlimited access to pont to point teleportation. After all, these are users who actually pay monthly for their accounts and shouldn't have to suffer stupid advertising, building blocking their ways because some person really believes that will get them to buy their sutff.

The only thing I ever bothered to purchase near a telehub was.....
actually, I went specifically to the GOM atm by a hub, I had to wait ten minutes for the damn thing to rez....

Good question, I suspect the numbers will be similar to the number of people who have bought something after clicking on an unrelated banner or popup ad.

Perhaps the solution is to have more zoning or "themed sims" set up a sim that's just clothes shops or just vehicles and so on, that way all the buildings and adverts will be related to what someone is looking for which will be far less annoying for the user and more targeted for the seller.

Additionally this would mean someone could set up their nice quiet little home without the worry of a huge noisy laggy ugly club springing up and devaluing their land. I'm thinking of going back to a basic account and giving up on owning a nice house here because of this.

1. No compensation for the TH land if they go away. If so, I want my check for my 1.2 losses, and I doubt I'm the only one whom would be waiting in that line.
   
2. TH land was auctioned as any other land, without special "bonuses" mentioned.
   
3. The city sims were auctioned with additional benefits mentioned and thus are not a similar anology.
   
4. TH did not create community centers.
   
5. TH waste system resources, both for LL and for the end user as far as unwanted texture downloads. I really wonder how much quicker the asset server would run without the forced 1000's of downloaded textures from basically SPAM stores/signs/etc around TH's.
   
6. TH's and P2P can co-exist peacefully as an option given to players.
   
7. On a more personally note, I am particularlly pissy about heading to a PG sim and end up at a Mature sim's TH. I have young children often around me and I really don't need to explain the birds and the bees to them due to something selling porn in their nearby TH shop.
   
8. Sims with TH's typically don't have enough LL owned land/prims to really give a bonus prim amount to TH landowners. The city sim is specially constructed to support these... LL cannot arbitrarily add prims without bad bad effects.
   
9. We probably won't see TH disappear since it would piss some key players off and LL would fear losing their business.
   
10. From a business view point, P2P would suck up money from the system, hence raising it's value which means more profit.
    
11. TH are the leading cause of Hippo death.
    

EDIT: Closing tags are a good thing!