Is SLBoutique developing power over Philip's world?

You are right Coco. It did not start out of nowhere. And it *did* in fact involve smear campaigns on several businesses.

However, since you have stated you will not bother to read the history of this world, I'm afraid you will just have to deal with the fact that you may never know why people respond the way they do. And you can claim "as far as I can tell", but considering that you will only go back a few posts, your "as far as I can tell" is not worth more than most could throw the in world me. And I'm a stick!

PS: Your best friend dissed businesses left and right. You did not care then, why do you care so much now?

Let me guess... another bit of SL history you refuse to look into, so you just deny any reasoning behind peoples' actions regarding it?

I had great sales from SLExchange when I used it. It was an easy system to use, and Merwan was always quick to answer my questions and respond to any concerns I had. He promoted SLE well, and my business, as a part of it.

However... One partner shut out another with no warning, and no cause that was ever stated, even in the offending partner's public apology. I held judgement and waited to see what would become of it. No reasoning or excuses were offered, and therefore I decided to pull my items off of the service, and to no longer support it by using it. When it comes to my product and my money, I'll err on the side of caution. When it comes to supporting someone who did not deserve the treatment they were handed, I won't. (Which is why I also stuck up for you, Cocoa, when someone -one person- tried to start an AR campaign against you.)

If you have no problems with the service or the history and deeds of those running it, then by all means, continue using the service. But don't dismiss the concerns and opinions of those who do have valid reasons to speak ill of its history. Not everyone is so willing to repeat history as you are.

Uh huh. Pretty comical isn't it?

I have not stated that I will not bother to read the history of the world.

And in any case, where would that history be in this case?

Even then, sounds to me like largely a matter of he-said/she-said, and reading tons of the he-saids/she-saids wouldn't clarify matters for me any further. It doesn't matter how much reading one does. A lot of these kinds of disputes can never be sorted out by outsiders.

Jillian, they may have had their reasons, but aren't we supposed to not attack specific groups?

In any case, just because three people tell me they hate, say, Starbucks, and will never go into Starbucks again, because the corporate officers had a falling out, I would be stupid to decide, oh, well, of course I should never go into Starbucks again.

If I've been to Starbucks and enjoyed Starbucks, chances are I will continue to enjoy Starbucks.

I really think these kinds of dissing SL businesses just backfire. People would do better just to praise the ones they like.

coco

P.S. He is not my best friend.

P.S. I do vaguely remember some of this SLExchange event that was being posted about after I joined the game. What I remember is the same kinds of things being said then, about shut-outs and whatever, and something about someone who was going to join them but didn't after learning about that, and - most importantly - I remember a lengthy letter of apology to all concerned from whichever person did the shutting out. Consequently, I figured the entire incident, whatever it involved, was said and done.

I guess it shouldn't matter to you if real life businesses use child labor in third world countries, either. As long as you enjoy those Nike's, that's all that really matters.

I didn't say that it doesn't bother me if real life businesses use child labor in third world countries.

Nor would I think there could be any possible correlation between such a scenario and whatever happened between the owners of SLExchange.

coco

I can not classify someone saying they have clear and publicly accessable reason for thier opinion as any form of attack. The rule isn't in place to protect somone from thier own choices - it's there to prevent maliciousness.

Well a good place to stat would be at the beginning...

Please see these archived threads:


Troubles Begin

And Hiro Pendragon's famous 12 DVD Boxed Set -

Troubles Continue

As your friend found out.

Still no comment on why you never got all hot under the collar and started lambasting your friend when he was outright libeling SL businesses? ("Oh, I told him in private" doesn't count)

Didn't think so - that would be an admission of a double-standard - but don't worry, we see it without your admission...

Right, but correlations between RL execution and perma-banning from SL are ok...

Yes you did, several times. Here is one:




/120/ec/52640/1.html

You are of course entitled to your opinion. But as I stated you don't care to read our history, whatever your reasons may be. So fine, have your opinions. But you have *no right* to tell someone else their opinions are invalid or dismiss them as just "dissing some business". Because in the grand scheme, you *do not know* these people or what motivates them to say the things they say.




Sorry. I should know better than to group two people together just because they have the same opinion. I think some "not so great" influences are rubbing off on me these days.

One of the more valuable services that a good publicist does is to tell the principals of their firm to shut the hell up when their grandstanding is working counter to the firm's goals. I'm guessing that would be more useful than a fact checker

It's called ethics. Business ethics. It doesn't really matter if it's RL or SL. It doesn't really matter if it's using child labor to make a profit, or shutting out a hard working and loyal business partner to make a profit. It's still greed, and it's still unethical, and still something that I, and apperantly several others, want no part of.

But you go ahead and classify/justify/rationalize it however suits your purpose.

You are so right Pendari. You are right to conclude from what I said that I would not read history.

What I meant, however, was more akin to the post I made somewhere about the 5th grade teacher. ThatI would not pour over the reports from previous teachers, or listen to teacher lounge scuttlebutt, until I had already approached the student freshly as brand new. Only then - after forming my own impressions, and getting the best I could out of the student, would I refer to the file folder.

Ditto here. And man, that was a LONG read. I've been reading it since supplied those links. (I didn't read all the ones on Hiro's post, but I read all of the links to other threads in the original link.)

I saw the apology that I remembered in the first place. I remember that, and I remember Merwin and Apotheosis finally achieving a resolution. I don't remember at all about the boycott. (Because I wasn't reading it all that carefully at the time - it was mostly before I joined, and I was probably reading it then due to links from posts made after I joined.)

I never look at an apology as anything but sincerely intended, and I thought that one was. The things that were not said - by both parties - I figured were not said because they didn't want to. Because it wasn't anyone else's business.

By reading those threads closely this go-round, I see why people got upset about something happening to their friend. But I also saw people who took the same point of view I'm taking now.

Except that now there seems to be even LESS reason to diss the company. Having read all that, though, I can see why some individuals would still be inclined to, especially when the question of these companies is put to them.

coco

P.S. I notice some people on this thread are taking a much more anti-SLExchange position than they did on the original threads.

I would like to be a part of the feted omnipotent core clique... or FOC-QUE

edit- Feted Oldbie Core Clique

Speaking just as a content creator who sells on SLExchange and SLBoutique, keep up these pointless posts!

Lately I've been making many more sales on SLBoutique then ever. Doesn't seem like it's from people switching over to SLB from SLEx in any great number, more so it's forum readers (lurkers) check out the web shops for the first time or being re-reminded about them and seeing what's new. So again, please keep up these long winded threads. Bringing the FIC into it should give it least another week on top.

Agreed. After the bruhaha started, I thought I'd check it out. I joined.

Bad PR is better than no PR.

Well, I hope so. I'm glad something positive has come out of this, for all three companies.

coco

Bahahah, best reply to all this drama yet. Never underestimate the rapacious SL content baron.

Sadly, I derive no benefit from this discussion because my stuff is only on SLExchange and SecondServer.

*singing*

It's a very good place to start....
In the forums it begins with ME ME ME....
When your flamed to turns into F.I.C.......

DOH! A poll, a stupid Poll!
RAY - that prick is someones alt!
ME - thats me! I M TEH SHIT!
FAR-K , Jeska moved my farkin post!

SO - I'll start another thread!
LA - ughing as I type it up!
TEA - he he he he a POLL!

that will bring us back to

DOH!
DOH!
DOH!
DOH!
DOH!

Ahhhhhhhhhahahahahaha!

Best post EVER!

This thread has turned into a personal discussion, filled with thinly guised personal attacks and as such is being closed.