Builds that fit the environment
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Susie Boffin
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07-19-2005 21:19
Ok here is my latest rant and rave. It seems to me that when you buy some land in a woodsy sim you build something that fits in. When you buy land in an oceanic sim you build somthing that fits in.
Instead of building to fit the land I see so many builds that are nothing more than huge eyesores that have nothing to do with with the land they are built on.
Am I the only one who notices this or am I hallucinating again?
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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07-19-2005 21:32
From: Susie Boffin ... am I hallucinating again? Yes, stop smokin that crack!
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
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07-19-2005 21:41
There are entire sims dedicated to solving this problem all over SL. ~Ulrika~
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Seth Kanahoe
political fugue artist
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07-19-2005 22:30
That may be. But Susie has a point. I haven't seen many builds in SL that take advantage of terrain, vegetation, and climate and correlate with a "natural" setting. In fact, because the terrain is easily modified in SL, and vegetation can be "created", I'd argue that there are fewer naturalistic builds than in RL - simply because the circumstances don't compell it.
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Lianne Marten
Cheese Baron
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07-19-2005 23:38
That tendency of how builds are made annoys me... I always appreciate the few that work well with the "natural" environment.
Makes me glad i'm friends with someone who always does that.
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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07-19-2005 23:45
From: Lianne Marten That tendency of how builds are made annoys me... I always appreciate the few that work well with the "natural" environment.
Makes me glad i'm friends with someone who always does that. The biggest problem is that some people don't have those building skills and can't hire someone to build it for them, so they get the best prefab the can and plop it down.
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Lianne Marten
Cheese Baron
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07-19-2005 23:48
I wouldn't mind consulting on how to make it aesthetically pleasing... for free even.
No one ever asks my opinion though... and opinions don't transfer well if they aren't asked for. Ah well.
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Eboni Khan
Misanthrope
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07-19-2005 23:53
Who minds trampling upon personal freedom, as long as everything is pretty 
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Vestalia Hadlee
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07-20-2005 00:56
From: Eboni Khan Who minds trampling upon personal freedom, as long as everything is pretty  I don't see any bulldozers or jackboots in this thread. Just an aesthetic call or two.
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Garnet Psaltery
Walking on the Moon
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07-20-2005 02:38
I agree with you Susie, wholeheartedly. It's generally the triumph of personal freedom over a neighbour's outlook, aided by a convenient lack of imagination.
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
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07-20-2005 02:45
*buys plot of land in beautiful and picturesque sim full of detailed high quality builds*
*makes 10 x 10 pink sphere. turns it to 'light'*
*copies it 10 times to make 80 meter tall 'Neon Candyfloss Tower', casting discoloring light over the adjacent 6 plots and completely obscuring the views of two neighbors*
*logs off for 5 months*
what?! Isn't that the norm here?!
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Garnet Psaltery
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07-20-2005 02:56
*sudden chest pain*
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Seth Kanahoe
political fugue artist
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
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07-20-2005 03:29
buys parcel in terrain-leveled or max-raised land with no trees and piles of plywood and garishly-textured prims everywhere. realizes the piles are "prefab houses". decides his Second Life is taking place in Bayonne, New Jersey. Laughs evilly and goes with the flow.
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Laukosargas Svarog
Angel ?
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07-20-2005 03:55
LMAO Kris! .. :: restrains herself from jumping on favourite soapbox !! :: .. .. :: can't :: .. :: stop :: ... All sorts of words spring to mind, ranging from selfish to sociopath. I've tried and I cannot think of one single good or positive reason why anyone does this. But they do do it , all the time. ... Anyone who knows me knows what I like, but I have a good friend who hates trees ! He really does! Doesn't like trees at all I'm always reminded of the old saying ... "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. ... ... .. Get it out with Optrex! " ... now look you made me get on one, stop me please! 
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reddish Tigereye
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07-20-2005 04:06
i think most of it is what the person who ownes the land thinks is beautiful, also. i did something on my land that i thought was amazing and wonderful (and i still do!) and i got chopped to pieces in this forum. also, if you build something on your land that you are proud of and love, if your neighbors dont like it, they will take it as a personal attack. personally, i have better thiings to do than sit around and think of ways to annoy people. i have a statue of a guy sitting on a toilet on a lot next to mine, obviously someone thought that was a tasteful and beautiful thing, hahhaa, all i can do is try to make it less noticable, because it seems to be part of the landscape. (i raised mountains on my border to hide mr. toilet) so...do what you want on your land, you pay for it. ignore people who feel the need to bitch and complain. 
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PetGirl Bergman
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07-20-2005 04:16
My schatz bought all land around the Victorian Fulls in Victoria Dreamland to keep it free from.. xxxx that often are built. Taste and style are not for all - sorry to say...
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Laukosargas Svarog
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07-20-2005 04:28
Reading my post over it looks like I was almost justifying the W*NK*RS who do this kind of thing. I am most certainly not ! but I was saying there is nothing we can or should do about it other than to use the existing complaint procedures or try to buy land in areas where these people won't come. It takes time to find people you like to be around, I had to move a few times to find a good place but I consider myself lucky atm. On the mainland all we can do is cross our fingers or buy a LOT of land.
:: my rant :: I think the whole land design of SL is bad, LL force us to buy land right on top of each other . There's no real reason for this, the system could have been designed differently with a little effort. :: rant over::
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Satchmo Prototype
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07-20-2005 04:41
From: Susie Boffin When you buy land in an oceanic sim you build somthing that fits in.
Riddle City Ransom (COMING SOON) is a gridwide game that consists of 8 signature builds, each of which subscribe to this philosophy. You can check out the SCREENSHOTS on the Land page. We got fortunate with good neighbors, and in a few situations our builds have morphed into SIM centerpieces where neighbors seems to build around it (and keep the theme)
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Garnet Psaltery
Walking on the Moon
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07-20-2005 05:06
Aha! I visited the house in Obscure umpteen weeks ago and thought how evocative it was. Looking forward to the game.
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Aliasi Stonebender
Return of Catbread
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
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07-20-2005 06:01
What really baffles me are the people who, first thing after buying a snow sim plot... is to make fake green ground and stick it down.
Whereas my own group, we've got nice little pathways with the land forms so they look as if they've been recently shoveled out; it LOOKS like we built in snow.
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Garnet Psaltery
Walking on the Moon
Join date: 12 Apr 2005
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07-20-2005 06:12
Well, maybe they bought it because snow land is relatively cheap .. but wooden boards or stone would look better. I've covered part of a snow plot with wooden boards to make it look convenient for people to walk on.
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Olympia Rebus
Muse of Chaos
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07-20-2005 09:04
From: Susie Boffin Ok here is my latest rant and rave. It seems to me that when you buy some land in a woodsy sim you build something that fits in. When you buy land in an oceanic sim you build somthing that fits in.
Instead of building to fit the land I see so many builds that are nothing more than huge eyesores that have nothing to do with with the land they are built on.
Am I the only one who notices this or am I hallucinating again? I've noticed this, and have griped about it in my blog . I agree that builds that fit into their environment look better, I don't see any easy solution. - Some comunities have rules about can and can't be built, but many find this stifling.
- A private island solves the eyesore problem, but you're off on your own and less integrated with the rest of SL
- Prefab builds (or pieces of builds) matching the area could be used. THe good news: this encourages conformity without forcing it. The bad news: a bunch of prefabs could be very boring.
Part of the problem is that when you own land it can be stifling to conform on any level, even if it's just a matter of knowing the neighbors may be annoyed if your stuff doesn't match theirs. Don't get me wrong- I do appreciate it when people put an effort into making their builds coordinate with the land they built it on, but I havn't figured out how to encourage (not force) people to do so. Who wants someone else to tell you what to do with your land?
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nemi McCoy
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07-20-2005 09:44
I agree...but for those of us who cannot build(its a well known fact I am visually handicapped). having my dream which harmonically fits in is not easy...I recently advertised for a builder(yes I got a great one finally...Anna A) but I got people iming me asking upwards of 7k for building, and my land is not large(2056). Kind of bummed me out..hearing how much so many people wanted...but I want to send kudos to Anna for working with me and being fair.... Its not always easy to try to get a build that "fits" and what I construe as fits and what someone else does can be radically different....
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Eboni Khan
Misanthrope
Join date: 17 Mar 2004
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07-20-2005 10:14
From: reddish Tigereye i think most of it is what the person who ownes the land thinks is beautiful, also. i did something on my land that i thought was amazing and wonderful (and i still do!) and i got chopped to pieces in this forum. also, if you build something on your land that you are proud of and love, if your neighbors dont like it, they will take it as a personal attack. personally, i have better thiings to do than sit around and think of ways to annoy people. Not to rehash an old issue, but there is a difference between making something "ugly" and terraforming your land so extremely that it makes your neighbors land unusable after months of griefing. It is a thin line, but a line just the same.
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Susie Boffin
Certified Nutcase
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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07-20-2005 10:19
I am not in any way advocating any form of land or building control. I am just curious why, for example, a person would buy land in a beautiful wooded sim and then proceed to remove all of the trees and build a huge purple box that hugs the land boundries. I have also seen techniqually good builds that are so out of place with their surroundings I want to scream. Before I buy land I have an idea what I want to put on it and search for the right land where it will fit in instead of forcing my creations onto it. I also look at the surrounding buildings and talk to the neigbors and tell them what my plans are before I buy. If I wanted to build huge immense pink towers with revolving searchlights I would pick the appropriate spot for such an eyesore if I could find one. 
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