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Kris Ritter
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Join date: 31 Oct 2003
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02-15-2005 01:53
From: Torley Torgeson
I sometimes spend my time doing this . . .


Having a crap on huge billboards? :confused:
Torrid Midnight
Work in progress
Join date: 13 May 2003
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02-15-2005 01:54
I think this may have been in reference to Anshe's account but I would take a guess at saying she has that much money because she's got her own trading site. When GOM was having problems with fraud again I think quite a few people began to use Anshe's service. I could be wrong of course but that's a huge amount of money to make off sales alone lol.
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Kayin Zugzwang
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02-15-2005 01:54
From: Kris Ritter
Trust me, Hiro, you couldn't hurt my feelings - I'd have to care what you think about anything first, and given your inability to comprehend simple sentences, I'm not going to waste my time trying to make you understand my opinion, and I really don't care if you agree or disagree. It's my opinion. Opinions are like assholes; everyone has one.

Funnily enough any argument with you always seems to come down to the same thing; restating the original argument over and again, so you can disagree with it in the same way with a slightly different and usually incorrect analogy.

So I'll say again, because I don't see how I could be any more clear about my stance on the subject, and frankly you can disagree all you like... As long as you keep keeping score, Second Life is a GAME.

BTW, I've also said on numerous occasions that Second Life is not, and never will be, ever, the Metaverse. I've also said that Linden Labs are not capable of producing 'The' 'Metaverse'. Therefore, hand in hand with my previous assertion, Second Life is nothing more than a buggy game trying to pretend to be something more than it is. Perhaps you'd like to get your teeth into that one too? :)


Stuff is just what you make of it in the end. SL is as much of a game as life is a game. People keep word counts in IRC yet IRC isn't a game.

If you make SL into a traditional game it can be so. If you do it for social interaction then it's something else.

Granted yes, SL is a game -- as in you open it up and "play it"... But for people like me there isn't much "playing" going on. It's just a big whiteboard more akin to photoshop. So it all depends.
Kris Ritter
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Join date: 31 Oct 2003
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02-15-2005 02:04
From: Kayin Zugzwang
Stuff is just what you make of it in the end.


To a degree. Yes, YOU can do whatever YOU want in Second Life.

But the Lindens dictate the overall genre and perception of Second Life through the way they manage and position Second Life. And as I've said in each post, the simple fact we have leaderboards and the like positions Second Life as a 'game' ... to be gamed.

Really.. think about it. A true metaverse or freeform virtual environment just doesnt have scores, winners or losers! It's really that simple.
Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
Join date: 22 Jan 2004
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02-15-2005 02:06
Okay, fine. You want to insult me after I backed down? Fine. *cracks his knuckles*

From: Kris Ritter
Trust me, Hiro, you couldn't hurt my feelings - I'd have to care what you think about anything first,

/sarcasm Clearly your long retorts to my post show just how little time you put toward my opinions.

From: someone
and given your inability to comprehend simple sentences,

Unga bunga! Bunga? Unga!

Grow up.

From: someone
I'm not going to waste my time trying to make you understand my opinion, and I really don't care if you agree or disagree.

THEN WHY ARE YOU RESPONDING TO ME??????????????

From: someone
It's my opinion. Opinions are like assholes; everyone has one.

Yes, and you're entitled to one. BUT, when you post it on the forum, other people are entitled to respond. That's the whole point to having a forum - Discussion of ideas.

From: someone
Funnily

is not a word. But I'm too stupid to comprehend simple sentences, huh?

From: someone
enough any argument with you always seems to come down to the same thing; restating the original argument over and again, so you can disagree with it in the same way with a slightly different and usually incorrect analogy.

Maybe that's because I actually respond to a person's comments. In your case, you seem to state the same thing over and over again, so I can only continue to try and discuss the same things, albeit from different perspectives and angles.

From: someone
So I'll say again, because I don't see how I could be any more clear about my stance on the subject, and frankly you can disagree all you like... As long as you keep keeping score, Second Life is a GAME.

Professional sports are "games". But, in reality, they're more sheer entertainment than sports. They are also big-time businesses. Point being - sometimes something grows beyond the "game" nature so that it is much larger than a "game", even if it might still be named "a game".

It's really a problem of labels, Kris. People tend to label things and judge the contents by the label, rather than the contest. Honestly, who really pays attention to the leaderboard? No one. And, maybe that's your point. But there's no reason to attack me personally for it.

From: someone
BTW, I've also said on numerous occasions that Second Life is not, and never will be, ever, the Metaverse.

Okay, well, if I say the sky will turn green, does it make the sky turn green? No.
That's another debate, it doesn't directly affect the topic in question.

From: someone
I've also said that Linden Labs are

Singular. "Linden Lab is".

From: someone
not capable of producing 'The' 'Metaverse'.

By the same logic, if I say that Ford is not capable of producing a highly rated, popular hybrid car, does it make it so? No, of course not. We don't know if Ford will come out with such a car, and certainly one of us saying so won't stop or ensure it from doing so.

From: someone
Therefore, hand in hand with my previous assertion, Second Life is nothing more than a buggy game trying to pretend to be something more than it is. Perhaps you'd like to get your teeth into that one too? :)

I've heard this from you before, Kris. I told you if you don't like it that much, then leave. You whined, said you were going to leave, then didn't. You seemed to find new enjoyment in the game.

Kris, take a break. Step away from SL for a while. Seriously. No one forces you to play every day. If I didn't like Halflife 2, I wouldn't be trolling the Steam boards and complaining every day about it. I'd just stop playing it for a while. Whatever.
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Torley Linden
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02-15-2005 02:08
I've maintained that for me, Second Life is a game. And more. And more. :D

I've gotten so many kicks out of this, had fun adventure after enjoyable romp, made many new friends and seen -- and participated in -- SO much cool stuff, and found love.

Heck, best tenner I ever spent.
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Kris Ritter
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02-15-2005 02:18
From: Hiro Pendragon
THEN WHY ARE YOU RESPONDING TO ME??????????????


Because unfortunately you follow me round to pick apart my posts.

From: someone
That's the whole point to having a forum - Discussion of ideas.


No. It's not. Not this forum, it's not. It's about self masturbatory one-upmanship.


From: someone
Funnily is not a word.


Of course it's a fucking word! At least it is on my planet.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=funnily

http://www.wordreference.com/definition/funnily

http://www.dictionary.net/funnily

From: someone
In your case, you seem to state the same thing over and over again, so I can only continue to try and discuss the same things, albeit from different perspectives and angles.


You fail. I repeat myself because you don't seem to grasp the simplicity of the original opinion. And just as your opinion will never change on the subject, neither will mine. So I guess that makes it pointless to discuss?

From: someone
I've heard this from you before, Kris. I told you if you don't like it that much, then leave. You whined, said you were going to leave, then didn't. You seemed to find new enjoyment in the game.


Um, I'm pretty sure I've never 'whined' that I'm going to leave. But then you seem to interpret my words differently to how I write them.

From: someone
Kris, take a break. Step away from SL for a while. Seriously. No one forces you to play every day.


You really make me laugh, you know that? How in fucks name did we get from my stating that Second Life is a game to you telling me to leave?

If I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't log in. If I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't spunk away 200 bucks a month on a private island. That doesn't alter the fact I consider it a game. Why the fuck do I suddenly have to leave it because I don't agree with you? lol
Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
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02-15-2005 02:20
Know what, Kris?

Congrats on being the very first person on my ignore list.

I used to have respect for you.

I didn't even put Korg on ignore. Now that's sad.
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Willow Zander
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02-15-2005 02:25
Funnily enough I don't think she will care :D

Sorry had to use that word :D
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Kris Ritter
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02-15-2005 02:27
From: Hiro Pendragon
Know what, Kris?

Congrats on being the very first person on my ignore list.


Thank fuck for that. :)
Torley Linden
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02-15-2005 02:31
*sighs sadly*
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Kris Ritter
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02-15-2005 02:38
From: Torley Torgeson
*sighs sadly*


What? You want some too?

*snickers*

*huggles Torley*

Dun worry. I don't generally mind people who make sense :)
Aleksie Solvang
nani?
Join date: 21 Oct 2004
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02-15-2005 06:52
aside from all that, and back to the leader board. . . I don't really see it as a score board, it's just something that's there that lists pretty much what I already know and has little to no effect on me in any way. To me, Second Life, Is not a game.. calling it a game gives it a feeling of immaturity, almost devalues it (in my eyes).. it really stopped being a game the moment I paid for land.. *shrugs* anyways. erm,.. yeah
Merwan Marker
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02-15-2005 06:57
Congrats Anshe.


For me what's important is not how much money we have, but how much money we give to others.




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Kris Ritter
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02-15-2005 06:59
From: Aleksie Solvang
calling it a game gives it a feeling of immaturity, almost devalues it (in my eyes)..


Your point seems to have been lost on me... you're just proving mine... after all, there aint nothing mature about Second Life!
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Forseti Svarog
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02-15-2005 07:17
lol Kris, you're on a tear today. Personally, I don't think SL can yet be defined. It can evolve in too many directions.

And while I agree that the leaderboards are useless, I will say that I am impressed with what Anshe has been able to accomplish in this game/world whatever you want to call it. I don't really care about the label. SL is what it is.

Stop to put avatars in boxes! :D (thank you for that, Torley)
Alan Edison
Ty Zvezda
Join date: 28 Jun 2004
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02-15-2005 10:34
From: Kris Ritter
Your point seems to have been lost on me... you're just proving mine... after all, there aint nothing mature about Second Life!


is that a double negative I see before me?!

Lol, jk :P Peace! :)

I bet Matt is laughin his bumholio off at what his post has generated.
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Jauani Wu
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02-15-2005 10:40
so if LL remove the leaders board, suddenly SL would not be a game? :confused:
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Jessica Robertson
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02-15-2005 10:42
Second Life is a game, so is First life, and the great thing is I pass Go and get my paycheck this Friday! YAY!

Jess

edited to fix a spelling error
Chicago Kent
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Join date: 19 Jan 2005
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Mr Linden, Great Job
02-15-2005 11:03
Dear Mr. Linden:

I just wanted to say that with the success of Anshe Chung, you have proved that it is possible to thrive in this virtual world.

I urge you in the strongest rhetoric possible to continue to move towards a totally free market.

Keep up the good work!
Bruno Buckenburger
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Join date: 30 Dec 2004
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02-15-2005 11:09
From: Jessica Robertson
Second Life is a game, so if First life, and the great thing is I pass Go and get my paycheck this Friday! YAY!

Jess


Best post in this thread, Jessica!

BTW - for the record, leader boards are a joke. I'm actually agreeing with Kris here and no he doesn't have a gun to my head :-) They measure wealth and since you can easily transfer US$ into L$, I could become the wealthiest person here just by shifting money around and buying L$. Between that and the whole alt thing, what is being measured means nothing except to those who somehow get off at being on the board.
Jauani Wu
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02-15-2005 11:15
From: Bruno Buckenburger
Best post in this thread, Jessica!
BTW - for the record, leader boards are a joke. I'm actually agreeing with Kris here and no he doesn't have a gun to my head :-) They measure wealth and since you can easily transfer US$ into L$, I could become the wealthiest person here just by shifting money around and buying L$. Between that and the whole alt thing, what is being measured means nothing except to those who somehow get off at being on the board.


it's reassuring to see players with this much confidence in the virtual economy. i see anshe, zeppi, IGE, blue, or bob on the leaders board and reassures me i am not crazy. (or i'm not the only crazy one, anyway. :D
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Matt Thetan
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You guys ROX!!!
02-15-2005 15:46
:D!!! OMG YOU GUYS ROX hehe! Well i just kinda wanted to say how cool anshe is! I dont think I have EVER done a 4 page post! LMAO WTG matt;) <3 you all! *peace*
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April Firefly
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02-15-2005 17:09
From: Matt Thetan
:D!!! OMG YOU GUYS ROX hehe! Well i just kinda wanted to say how cool anshe is! I dont think I have EVER done a 4 page post! LMAO WTG matt;) <3 you all! *peace*


Umm, it's only a 2 page post. LOL

(Yes I know.)
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Catherine Cotton
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02-15-2005 17:36
How much of that did she earn and how much of that is her rl money? I don't think she is as "rich" as you might think. Many ppl could easily use their credit cards to artificialy inflate their bank accounts on sl. This is not news. I prefer to keep my money in a bank where at least I earn interest.
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