The moral sewer: Jim Black on Butt sex
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Isis Becquerel
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04-25-2005 14:12
I just heard a little sound bite from one of the representatives of this fried green tomato, pintos with cornbread and Jesus on a stick for the entree state of mine talking about how butt sex was the reason that civil unions should not be allowed in this state. Well let me clarify, he did include oral sex as well. His reasoning was that if you allow acts against nature such as butt sex (now that is his term not mine) and oral sex you may as well allow prostitution. I didn't really grasp his logic but it is a hard road if you ever decide to try and follow the logic of a politician, so I just moved on.
Now onto the moral sewer bit. Representative Black stated that drunks, drug addicts, murderers, rapists and (lumping them right on in) gays are all contributers to the sewer of vulgarity in the most lude and lacsivious of forms. Now what exactly is morality and should our illustrious politicos be fondeling it like a two dollar hooker? Morality in the long denotation is: that which renders an action right or wrong; virtue; moral principles. Now I prefer my politicians stick with constitutional ethics and leave morality to the hell fire and brimstone Sunday morning snake handeling session but he started it. But besides that how are homosexuals and rapists of the same kilt...one would only know if one were of a republican kilt, I suppose.
We are not a moral country. Our constitution is not based on morality it is based upon ethical principals of justice and the rights of every man but not morality. Our daily lives are filled with SouthPark, Mad TV and Skinemax late night. We love boobs, oral sex and on the rare occasion after some quick lube and a few vodka tonics a little funky butt lovin'. Maybe I am just an all or nothing sorta chick but if we are going to have a 100 man gang bang with some haggard and sweaty porn star gracing our vcr why in the hell are we worried about 2 men or women joining in a civil union? Why do we think that butt sex and a buffet at the y is any different with heteros than it is with homos? If that is the one determining factor when it comes to civil unions of any sort including marriage then god knows I will never be married because I do love me some oral and well, anal, not untill at least the 5th date.
So what is our reasoning against civil unions besides some fudge packing and muff diving? Why do we want to delegitimize gay unions? Because it feels good that is why. It becomes an us against them gig. Heteros say we have marriage and you can't have it. If we give that up what will we have besides the old penis and vagina thing and the ability to have children without a turkey baster or some catholic nun showing us pictures of asian babies up for adoption.
It is sad, really sad, that the entire premise of the debate is focused around where we stick or lick what and with whom. Ok I'm done just my beef du jour.
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Liona Clio
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04-25-2005 14:27
****POP**** D'oh! Isis, you owe me a new halo! Mine just shorted out on that post! Not that the above told anything but the dirty truth. Gays are singled out so Moral Majority members can feel pious. A lot of Protestant Christians complain about the Catholic practice of Contrition...that all you have to do to get God to forgive you for your sins is to say a Bunch of "Hail Mary"s. They forget that most Protestant churches have their own version of contrition. We just call it Evangelizing. Any two people who want to live together and share the burden that is life should gain the benefits our government gives for doing so. Religion has no business being in the legalities of civil unions. Religon has no business in legality, period.
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Marcos Fonzarelli
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04-25-2005 15:53
I've always said that the big problem most repubs have with "them gays" is the "icky butt sex."
People are far too concerned with who is bumping whose naughty bits together.
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Ace Cassidy
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04-25-2005 16:03
I don't know who your Rep. Black is, but it sounds to me like America would probably be a better place if his parents had practiced some lovin' along the Hershey highway instead of procreating this cretin.
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Chance Abattoir
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04-25-2005 16:07
From: Isis Becquerel Well let me clarify, he did include oral sex as well. His reasoning was that if you allow acts against nature such as butt sex (now that is his term not mine) and oral sex you may as well allow prostitution. Butt sex occurs in ape species, but politicians don't exist in the wild so we should probably outlaw those. I say we line them up to conserve (metaphorical) bullets before offing them.
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Aliasi Stonebender
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04-25-2005 16:25
From: Marcos Fonzarelli I've always said that the big problem most repubs have with "them gays" is the "icky butt sex."
People are far too concerned with who is bumping whose naughty bits together. Especially ironic as the gay guys I know aren't particularly big into anal. There's more ways to have fun with a significant other than sticking a rod into a hole, after all.
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Isis Becquerel
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04-25-2005 16:29
That is what I was thinking too untill he came up with the oral bit...now would that include tongue kisses (don't you hate it when people call it tongue kissing instead of frenching...it sounds soooo dirty). Kissing with tongues is sticking your tongue in another persons cavity...oral cavity but it is still a cavity and it would be oral times two which would be far more oral sex than one oral cavity on one genital because that is only one oral on one genital hence only singular oral sex not double.....hmmm....my ohh my thinking like a politician makes my groin hurt.
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Chip Midnight
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04-25-2005 16:33
In a weird sort of way I'm kinda glad that Christian extremists are so open about their bigotry and irrational demagoguery these days. They're starting to offend and freak out moderate Christians. Maybe every century or so we need a period like this in our history to remind people why religion and politics need to be kept far apart. Look at Bill Frist's appearance on the Family Research Council telecast this weekend, painting Democratic fillibusters against ultra conservative judicial nominees as anti-religious. Even his own church is crying foul about it and calling him on his manipulative simple minded bullshit. Here dude, have some more rope.
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Ananda Sandgrain
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04-25-2005 16:42
Isis, I think you got that backwards. This country is moral (lots of laws and customs) but not ethical (short on reason). Just in terms of harm done, prostitution should be legal but passing on fatal STD's should get you life in prison. 
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Rose Karuna
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04-25-2005 16:43
I think that there are a lot of people out there that are afraid of sex, butt or otherwise. Granted, there are consequences for careless behavior heterosexual or not. Butt, there are also consequences for almost everything you do in life from eating a meal to driving a car.
It is only sex though, that is surrounded by so many visceral reactions, myths and power grabs.
I think that people like Representative Black are into power and have learned how optimize on peoples fear of sex and death. When people like him don't get the fear motivated vigilante reaction they desire by playing to peoples fear or dislike of butt sex they move onto the next fear and start proselytizing about protecting their children or the fear of the death of their family line because their children might become butt sexxors and fail to continue the family line through procreation.
The bottom line (so to speak) is that for people like Representative Black, Tom Delay or James Dobson it's all about power. For the people who actually listen to them, it's all about fear.
The feeling that they get from an action of power over an unwilling or uninformed people and the act of sex are one in the same. (Note that I don't lump B & D in this category because that is controlled sex play between consenting adults).
It's a sad commentary for the human race that a natural function like sexual desire and sex play are so inextricably tangled with an unnatural function like having power over others lives whether they wish to submit to it or not.
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Teeny Leviathan
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04-25-2005 16:48
This Senator Black seems to know so much about this icky butt sex and oral sex. If we are to take him seriously, we must assume he has some special insight on this behavior he disapproves of. He's either a devoted collector of porn or he's in denial. 
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Rose Karuna
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04-25-2005 16:51
From: Isis Becquerel That is what I was thinking too untill he came up with the oral bit...now would that include tongue kisses (don't you hate it when people call it tongue kissing instead of frenching...it sounds soooo dirty). Kissing with tongues is sticking your tongue in another persons cavity...oral cavity but it is still a cavity and it would be oral times two which would be far more oral sex than one oral cavity on one genital because that is only one oral on one genital hence only singular oral sex not double.....hmmm....my ohh my thinking like a politician makes my groin hurt. You mean that when you french kiss someone its actually their TONGUE they stick in your mouth??? Guess I should have read a book about how to do it or something, boy is hubby in trouble tonight, that lying sack of shit! .
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Teeny Leviathan
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04-25-2005 16:55
Paranoid extreme right evangelical types don't call it french kissing because they hate the French, and calling it American Kissing is un-American.
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Lora Morgan
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04-25-2005 17:21
It's Freedom Kissing.
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Isis Becquerel
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04-25-2005 17:26
From: Rose Karuna You mean that when you french kiss someone its actually their TONGUE they stick in your mouth??? Guess I should have read a book about how to do it or something, boy is hubby in trouble tonight, that lying sack of shit! . Ok coffee all over the keyboard!!!! Hehe and I love the Freedom kissing bit that is what I'm gonna call it from now on!!
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Paolo Portocarrero
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04-25-2005 19:27
From: Aliasi Stonebender Especially ironic as the gay guys I know aren't particularly big into anal.
There's more ways to have fun with a significant other than sticking a rod into a hole, after all. LOL, I was just thinking the same thing! That was after, "oh gawd, here we go again." And weren't the as* f*ck twins female?
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Siggy Romulus
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04-25-2005 19:33
All I can say is that I'm gonna defend my right to 'Eat at the Y'!
They can have my pootie-tang when they pry it from MY COLD DEAD TONGUE!
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Chance Abattoir
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04-25-2005 19:51
From: Lora Morgan It's Freedom Kissing. And when we take over France for thinking about making weapons of mass destruction, we'll take all their Freedom Whores too.
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04-25-2005 21:45
From: Siggy Romulus All I can say is that I'm gonna defend my right to 'Eat at the Y'!
They can have my pootie-tang when they pry it from MY COLD DEAD TONGUE!
Siggy. All I have to say is: la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la - was it good for you?
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blaze Spinnaker
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04-26-2005 00:47
This is all a death rattle.
The next generation is going to be de-sensitized to sex because of the internet people like Jim black are just going to seem like gibbering mad men.
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Jillian Callahan
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04-26-2005 01:08
From: blaze Spinnaker This is all a death rattle.
The next generation is going to be de-sensitized to sex because of the internet people like Jim black are just going to seem like gibbering mad men. What do you mean "going to"?
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Kathmandu Gilman
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04-26-2005 01:36
Like Fry said in Futurama, "The internet has made me bored with sex." I think you have a point there blaze, unfortunatly we live in the here and now.
You have to understand polititions to understand why theyt say what they do. They take advantage of the fear we have of things outside our experience to keep themselves in a job. Think about this, if Bush hadn't had 9/11 or Iraq, you think he would have been reelected? I doubt it. Same thing with the gay marrage, mom and pop America are clamoring to these kinds of medicine show polititions to save them and the country from them "preverts," "terrorists" or "WMD". Doesn't really matter what it is, its job security noise.
Unfortunatly, the gay community has a long history of not helping its cause. The greatest argument against allowing homosexuals to marry in a church is just one couple showing up dressed like a leather studded male stripper and the "bride" in a leash, spiked thong and a gimp mask. Nothing gives the anti-gay rightwingers more ammunition than a nationally televised gay pride parade. The good work and positive contributions made by 100.000 homosexuals can be undone with 5 minutes of footage from the freakshow parade and a politition looking for reelection.
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Neehai Zapata
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04-26-2005 03:05
The main problem with butt sex is that it can lead to man dates like this one. 
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Eggy Lippmann
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04-26-2005 03:22
Moralist people should be shot.
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Lecktor Hannibal
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04-26-2005 05:29
From: Neehai Zapata The main problem with butt sex is that it can lead to man dates like this one.  LOL 
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