Because that seems fair

I'm not generally one to name names, but do you think this is fair?

Archeus Silverman rated you negatively: CAN I HAVE CAR

So I create a car, don't go online for a day because SL is down, then find out I have a negative rating because of an illiterate demand that I can't possibly have fulfilled even if I wanted to. Which I most certainly don't now.

I have filed an abuse report against said Archeus Silverman, whom I have never even met.

Thanks, Archeus. My first negative rating - and for what? Because you expect to be able to demand other peoples hard work for nothing? Are you sure you're in the right game?

I've just picked up my first negative rating from a **** in the sandbox.

After getting bounced around for two minutes by an av-following bumping object (very annoying), I was distinctly unhappy with the character who set it on me - a single bounce, hell ,even sending me to orbit I can vaguely cope with. F to stop yourself, then head back down to earth, but this was more than that.

So I did what seemed logical - behavioral rating = negative, and promptly get a triple-neg back in return. Great.

I'm reluctant to descend to this guy's level and re-rate him to ---, but I'm not sure what else to do. What _are_ the limits of acceptable use/abuse?

Bah. Vent over. Maybe I'll start coding some self-protection scripts.

at least you were in game to receive your negative rating

Could be worse - at least you got told, instead of:

"I wonder what my ratings are li - Argh!"

Regnar - I agree with you - honest! But that's life, whether first or second, that there will always be a'holes.

My real issue with your post was the tone and not the content, which I feel you could have put in a far less negative light given the helpful context in which the post was made.

I simply think that if everyone tried to paint everything that black and white and err on the side of caution/paranoia every time, then the world would have a distinctly negative flavour.

I'm willing to invest a little trust in people I don't know until they prove, as is the case above, that they dont deserve that trust. And what a sad world SL would be if no one did.

But I'm not going to leave because some immature person thinks its a good idea to ruin my rep for no reason at all when I'm not around to defend myself, because that's really his malfunction and not my problem, and I know that the vast majority of SLers are decent folk.

Including Devlin, who I shall be attempting to bribe and cajole into enacting some hideous mafia revenge on said offender later today.

Thing is, Regnar, that what you view as effective may be different to what other people view as effective. In the same way as your idea of what constitutes a personal attack may differ from mine. I'm still not sure if you are insinuating that I have made one against you. If you are, I assure you that was not my intent. You stated your opinion and I stated mine. But since you have hijacked my thread let me take an opportunity to clarify my point by way of an example pulled from your other thread, which I agree has provoked some interesting comments and tips...

You said:



Which you maintain you did for effect. The effect it had on me was a negative one, and I still maintain that it is a very cynical comment, whatever effect was intended. You categorically state that any offer to build on someone elses land is in fact a ploy to gain bonus. You leave no room for any other interpretation of the information you present.

So tell me, would it have been any less effective if you had worded your tip like this:

Beware of offers to build on other peoples land for free!

You should be aware that time spent on other peoples land generates a 'dwell' bonus, which is a reward for popularity. By using anothers land, you will not be able to receive this bonus.

It is also possible that the landowner could delete your objects if things turned sour between you (although we would like to think this is very rare!).

In my humble opinion, whilst longer than your version, the above takes the time to highlight the pitfalls of choosing this course of action and explains the reasoning behind the advice, with a bit of game dynamic understanding thrown in for good measure. And it's far less cynical about the people you will meet in SL to boot.

Your mileage may vary.

Man I sure do love the fact that everyone around here takes negative ratings so seriously. I remember when I first joined and figured that everyone had like 50 or so negative ratings just cuz the place was full of arses.

Be glad that negative ratings don't affect you as much as you all seem to think it does. I kinda wonder, though, if we should have some little system to show a list of people you've negatively rated, just to let you know that you can un-rate them if you happen to like them now or are indifferent towards them...

well, Dave, I have to confess that I don't take ratings particularly seriously simply because I don't really know what they mean to me.

Sure, it's nice when someone rates you positively. But from my perspective, I would NEVER rate anyone negatively unless they were purposefully ruining my game out of spite, and even then I'm much more likely to report it as abuse. If I had a problem with some aspect of their behaviour I simply would choose to go elsewhere and talk to different people, and make a mental note not to bother with that person again.

I may be wrong; as I said, as a newbie myself I don't really know what stock the ratings hold at all. As far as I'm concerned SL isn't a popularity contest.

If ratings is about bonus them I REALLY don't care. 20$ a week in bonus is really not an issue. Which was the same point I made to Regnar re his assertion about peoples motives over dwell - the tax I'm paying on the land I own far outweighs any dwell bonus received because someone is borrowing your land.

I don't actually mind the fact that I got a negative rating at all, excepting the circumstances, which, as per the thread title, I was highlighting the fact it seemed a misuse of the ability to rate someone to demand (in capital letters) a copy of a personal object that I took time creating while I'm not even in SL, while actually rating me negatively with the request!?!

Is there a way to see who rated someone (like on eBay)? I've recognized some people who tend to have conflicts, and I know people whose judgement I trust, so who gave a rating would effect my perception. Also, if I saw that the person who gave the negative rating had been rated negatively a lot themselves, that would matter.

If a person has 25 positive ratings and 1 negative, I'm not going to pay any attention to the negative anyway.

Hmm. There's a thought.

Let ratings decay over time - means the the people who carry on building well, looking good, or being a general top bod get more benefit out of it. Plus the people who are consistenly arses remain penalized, improving the lot of the odd soul who's having a bad patch and then changes their ways.

May also remove the air of "Argh! Someone hates me! For ever!!!" that it currently feels like atm. But then again, I'm new so I may need to develop a thick skin over stuff like that.

Naturally a concept would need weighting/safeguards/etc to prevent over-spending on re-rating or abuse, but it's a good starter for 10, I think.

Kris.
I dont do personal attacks against people . As stated in the post. I have no problems with you as i really dony know you .
Nothing in any of my messages is personal.

I have received neg ratings for "not being in game", for "having a banisher in a PG sim", and of course the odd mystery neg or two. Of course none of these people have ever approached me to discuss; I have no idea who they are. In the case of the "not being in game" one, the neg appears to be used as a mechanism to make me seek this person out when I do finally get in game.

I never understood the negative ratings feature, and have always thought it should be removed. Negs can easily be abused to a player's detriment; positives can not. There is also no accountability; if I have words with a member of a group and they all decided to neg me, how do I formally appeal the negs from people I never interacted with?

If you are a hermit and/or just don't care about ratings, there should be no opportunity to hurt you in the game; you just don't get ratings, and subsequently, no bonus. If you are a jerk, nobody will pos you, people who have will remove the pos rating, and you will eventually get reported, trashed in the forums, and have your reputation ruined by in-game word of mouth.

Somebody who garners enough neg ratings to make a meaningful difference in their stipend probably thinks it's funny, contributes nothing and is not long for the game anyway. I know for a fact there was a small group of players that competed for negative ratings. Why enable this?

At a minimum, the person that negs you should have to be within 5 meters. You want to neg me, look me in the eye when you do it.

Oh I agree wholeheartedly with that. I can put minimech on and fire a missile quicker than they can get out of range

Thereby validating the neg. An unsound tactic.

For a sufficiently and conveniently narrow definition of personal attacks, no one has ever personally attacked anyone in history.

Don't let one negative rating get you down. I'll positive rate you when I get on tonight to even it out

Kris, consider it done. And, please don't use dat M word. Dere IS no such organization. We is just a happy family type business.



Dave, if you want to know if you have neg rated someone, just right click and select rate. It shows the last ratings you gave someone.

If someone tries to extort something out of you, give them triple-neg and let everyone know on the forums. If they rate you -3, so what? I've never seen anyone who didn't have at least TEN TIMES as many positive ratings.

Yeah, Tcoz is exactly right. If someone's neg rating you just to be a dick, shooting them with an orbiter is hardly a way to demonstrate that you feel the rating is undeserved. However, I'd do that to them, so take that how you want.

However, if you get neg rated, there's not really a lot you can do. If someone chooses to rate you negatively, that's because they're ALLOWED to do so. If someone's going around negatively rating EVERYONE they meet, then yeah, they can probably be considered a griefer. In that case, you should report them. Hell, report them if they only rated YOU negatively. I just don't see anything forthcoming from that.

It's hardly a perfect system, but if you can come up with something better, please, by all means, post in the Feature Suggestions forum.

I was in the welcome area a few days ago, and i just met a new person. We traded cards, i gave him some positive ratings, in return i get negative ratings. I didn't know why he did that so i asked. And he said he rated me positive, then he checked it again apologized and corrected it. Instead of getting mad immediatly, its better to ask what the rating is for. And if they tell you they feel you deserve it. Then thats their right.

I have negative ratings -5/-4/-4

12 of those points came from one person and her 3 friends (all who live with her). To this day she has not told me why she negative rated me besides telling me to "get over myself", and denying that she did it, however her 3 man slaves that live with her rated me negative just for flying by at her request i guess.

I found this to be quite upsetting. I think most people who know me can confirm that I am not rude, mean, obnoxious, etc. I try to do unto others I would have done unto me, but it just doesnt work.

I think a negative rating should cost more than $1 to deliver and should probably cost enough to make a person say to themselves "are they worth negative rating?"

I've rated people negative for sure, but it's always been those who were offensive (attacking with scripts, constant shoving, and other rude or innapproptiate).

And yes, that person who rated me negative with her 3 friends, i made sure she got back 7 fold - which is not something I am proud of, but was just insanely upset because of this persons inability to say anything nice or friendly given my repeated pleas for us to resolve a misunderstanding that was only exacerbated by a third-party interferring.

Even now just thinking of the entire affair just makes me stomach go bleh.

Briana Dawson

Briana,

Theres a movie I watch over and over in my scarce free time because it cracks me up, but it also has a few nuggets of wisdom in there:

"you are not your job"
"you are not your furniture"
"you are not your f***ing khakis!"

I'd like to add another :

"You are not your rating numbers!"

How many neg ratings do you have? I couldn't tell you.. I've never looked.. I don't let numbers tell me who is a good person and who isn't... I make that call by myself on face value and how people treat me.

It wouldn't matter to me if you had -10,000 or +10,000 across the board - You'd still be the same person I enjoy seeing and chatting to.

And the people who don't see that and miss out on that experience, well theirs is the greater loss.

Cheers,

Siggy.

To reiterate, the impact of a negative rating on your stipend is negligible. But that's not my point.

My point is that I think noone pays atention to someone else's negative ratings. You are not who other people think you are. Personally, I never pay attention to negative ratings received.

What I do pay attention to is the number of positive and negative ratings people give others.

It's a miniature litmus test. Someone who is generous by nature will tend to give more positive ratings than someone who isn't. Someone who's very negative and prone to conflict will have probably given more negative points.

Of course, there are exceptions to this guideline, but I won't get into them now.

Am I the only one who thinks this?

I too seldom look at someones ratings - I prefer to make my own mind up about people.

I've only been in SL a week I just got my first negative rating. A newbie (Siegmund Bunderfeld) gave me a triple-negative with no message while I was logged out this evening.

Apparently I'm the only person who has "offended" him, becuase he has only given out three negative ratings (and received a dozen positive). I've never even met this person. The only way he could have known me is from a couple of objects I left in a newbie building zone.

I guess I'll stop leaving anything in the world while I'm logged out so the griefers don't have anything to link back to me when they're bored.

I know I should just shrug and let it go, but it really dampens my mood when I come on all eagar to do something and this happens. =(