/me waves a white flag

Well my stance has always been P2P now. P2P free.

I don't see why you are getting so worked up Khamon.

Re: ROAM and jetpacks, those are third party tools, not Linden Lab provided technology. LL shouldn't be able to tax those. But returning P2P teleporting, albeit with a cost attached, is reasonable. I don't know if it's the best approach, but it's reasonable.

I don't think the island analogy works either -- there is a clear different between a mainland sim and a privately purchased SIM.

I'm not fucking worked up so there!

Now seriously, I agreed with charging as a reasonable solution after asking for clarification of the reasoning behind it. Comparing the fee to our existing texture upload fee convinced me. Then I pointed out a few situations which seem to have a similar effect and presumed that we should lump them into the same category.

Frankly, I'd rather see it implemented as a picks only, or land owner option rather than a flat fee per port anywhere on the map. I don't see those as necessarily the best approach either; but they're reasonable limitations as well.

Just to clarify, early p2p teleports cost L$ based on distance. Short distance teleports were cheaper than long distance teleports. I don't remember ever paying more than L$45 for a teleport, which sounds like a lot but stipends were much higher then as well. Then again, that was a "long distance" teleport across the whole world, a distance of about ten sims.

I want p2p teleports.
I don't care if telehubs stay.
I don't care if p2p costs L$.

Hi Julian \ o /

This is my preferred compromise: re-introduce p2p as previously implemented, with a surcharge based upon distance. L$1 per 100m sounds fair, and in line with what Julian mentioned.

You wouldn't hear a peep out of me if that was implemented. Unfortunately, I doubt it would sate those who demand 'all or nothing'.

Note that what I would prefer overall, is status quo. But that isn't a compromise either.

For the breif two seconds that I thougth it had been implemented (I clicked on my oh pic to a place that had become an "entry point" I thought wow, pics take you right there.

I think this would be a great use for pics, as long as people could prevent it on their land. For the same reason we can't P2P to someone's house we don't want pics to override that.

I'm more and more liking this idea. How many picks slots do we have? The world's offline for a patch and I cannot check.

We have 10 pick slots.

Um . . . (a), what is so horrible about suggesting a fee for p2p? After all, I pay to upload textures. People are always talking about new money sinks. This would be a sort of "luxury" money sink; i.e., you wouldn't have to be charged it if you would rather just spend your time at it.

(b) What does this have to do with jetpacks, etc.?

(c) why are you so angry at me?

and (d) you know I REALLY AM SICK AND TIRED not "getting" sick and tired any more but really am sick and tired after what, now, seven damn months? of being accused of being Prok. And if you are not accusing me of being prok, but are simply addressing him for some odd reason in your thread, then I am sick and tired and resent like hell the suggestion that these thoughts do not come from my own mind, and did not originate from my own separate thinking.

Thank you very much.

coco

P.S. While I am on the subject: This pisses me off ABSOLUTELY NO END because there are probably very few people who are as independant as I am and have always been - have taken care of myself since very young, being the child of a divorced working mother,

and because I am highly educated, and because I wasn't born yesterday

and have NEVER followed what anybody else ever told me to do or think

and I'm one of the VERY few people in this game who is capable of being friends with Prok, disagreeing with him, saying to his face what I think he has wrong, AS A FRIEND, and STILL be friends with him, and say HERE what I think he has wrong and I dare any of you to have the guts to do that. I mean, have a friend like that yourself, who is a very heavy and passionate thinker and dare to stand up to him on each and every detail you disagree with, and yet still have a wonderful friendship with him. I DARE you to do that. Guess what - it takes a pretty strong person to have a friendship of equals with Prok, and that I do have.

So those of you who keep insulting me and putting me down as him being my "boss" or my "mentor" or any of that total bull - much less that I *am* him - just don't know that not only are you completely and totally wrong, you don't even understand what it really means for a person to have a mind of her own. It means a person can be a friend with a great number of people, and always maintain her own integrity and principles at the same time, that's what it means.

And if you do get me for a friend, then you will get the same package: friendship, loyalty, and someone who will tell you the whole truth of what she really thinks.

Those of you who me down with these INSULTING insinuations that I don't think for myself, you have it exactly and totally backwards. Apparently you just can't recognize someone who really does think for herself really is guided only by her own heart and principles when you see one.

And if the motivation behind all these comments is to get me to shut up - which would certainly be convenient for you whenever I am agreeing with Prok (which is a fair amount of the time) - you might as well give up, cause it ain't gonna happen. I'm not ABOUT to be intimidated out of my own ideas - which in this case my TP solution was ENTIRELY my idea - because you may think I'm gonna cave to these ridiculous accusations. Prok could be DEAD and you would still have me, with all the ideas coming out of my own brain to deal with.

I will never be intimidated by any such forum tactics by anyone. Just as I'm not intimidated by Prok, and never have been.

P.S. Obviously I should read ahead before replying. Not two posts later Khamon says he's not against charging for p2p at all. I guess he was serious about charging for jetpacking through sims.

I didn't see Khamon calling you Prok, Coco??

Khamon stated: "This is the line that always pisses me off and makes Prok ask me why I'm being so angry." and "Yes Prok, I'm being pissy. I feel somehow justified."

Prok *does* read these forums Coco. How do you know for certain that Khamon was not talking to Prok when he states Prok's name? And where did he accuse you of not having your own seperate thoughts?

I'm totally confused.

Coco is not Prokofy. I know this because I'm friendly with Prokofy enough to talk with him regularly and have asked him if Coco is an alt. We hardly ever see eye-to-eye. We debate a lot and even get pissy with each other; but we rebound quickly and keep the lines of communication open. So I was speaking directly to Prokofy knowing that he reads these forums and guessing what his inworld response would be.

I'm not angry with you Coco. And I never said that charging a fee for p2p anywhere anytime was a horrible idea. I asked for clarification of your reasoning and tacked my own reasoning onto it for further discussion of the topic. I fo though understand how you feel about people putting words in your mouth and projecting their own attitudes onto you. I should've realized that ribbing Prok would affect you adversely and refrained. I apologize for being so crass.

No problem then, Khamon, if that is not what you intended. It isn't your ribbing Prok that gives me a problem. It's your answering me, but talking to HIM that gives me a problem.

Of course I am not Prok's alt. I am not anybody's alt. I have one alt here myself finally and her name is Strawbearry Shortbread. She looks just like me. I speak for no one. I am owned by no one. I have a very good analytical brain of my own.

As for those saying otherwise, or saying anything about me which is untrue, or any names, or ANYTHING designed to minimize me as a person, stand on notice: I've had it with it, and I will not only report you, but I will go find every Linden I can, even though I never bother the Lindens and have never bothered the Lindens, and I will tell them the whole story, who's doing it, when, and how often.

I will raise as much holy hell about it as I can. So the rest of you - and you know who you are - think twice before you say anything like that to me again, or call me any kind of a name again (and I don't care who you are, quasi-friend or not), or tell me to go away, or that the conversation doesn't concern me, or anything of that nature, because I have had it with it, and with you. Do it to me one more time and I will bring the problem to the attention of as many Lindens as possible. For starters.

Seven months is more than long enough for me to be patient with this.

coco