Should LL Charge For Script Usage?
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Merwan Marker
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04-30-2005 09:39
From: Prokofy Neva
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And I for one, am really eager to help start putting an end to that attitude by making both this community of creative but heedless types, as well as LL, more aware of the CONSEQUENCES.
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Many will leave unless a balance is found. That's not the best outcome for the community, either. Because we are in this community just as much as you, and you no longer have a right to heedlessly drive us from it with your antics, whether intended or not.
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Thank you Prok for your help - I am now more aware. Have fun! 
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Enabran Templar
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04-30-2005 11:20
Wait, so... certain people will leave if scripts are allowed to be used?
/me pumps his fist and begins researching the LSL Wiki with renewed vigor
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Icon Serpentine
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04-30-2005 13:36
No.
There is no tangible value to a dynamic slice of time.
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blaze Spinnaker
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04-30-2005 22:57
Both prims and scripts cause the client and server to use CPU cycles and bandwidth.
When we pay our $9.99 that's what we are paying for - CPU cycles and bandwidth.
The only difference is that LL has decided to charge Prim builders and not script writers.
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Prokofy Neva
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04-30-2005 23:04
From: someone The only difference is that LL has decided to charge Prim builders and not script writers.
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si Money
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04-30-2005 23:26
From: blaze Spinnaker Both prims and scripts cause the client and server to use CPU cycles and bandwidth.
When we pay our $9.99 that's what we are paying for - CPU cycles and bandwidth.
The only difference is that LL has decided to charge Prim builders and not script writers. That doesn't make sense. You're charged to have land to put prims on. You can build as many prims as you like with no fee. You can make as many scripts as you like with no fee. If you want either of these things upon your own land, you must pay a fee. If you want to upload a texture or sound clip into the asset database, you must pay a L$ fee. Your logic is veering strangely to the left and crashing into a telephone pole.
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Nolan Nash
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04-30-2005 23:39
Who said it has to make sense? Since when do crusades ever make sense?
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Prokofy Neva
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05-01-2005 00:42
From: someone If you want either of these things upon your own land, you must pay a fee. No, you just pay a fee if you want prims on your land, i.e. land with the prim capacity init, to absorb the prims you wish to put out. But for scripts, there's no limit or charge. That's the problem.
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Strife Onizuka
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05-01-2005 03:20
It doesn't matter if it makes sense as long as LL is turning a profit.
FYI temorary textures don't get cleaned out often.
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Candide LeMay
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05-01-2005 03:36
Yes LL should charge for script usage, to be more precise, they should charge the author of this thread for script usage of all players.
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-01-2005 03:47
That's very true Strife, but LL isn't turning a profit.
As for the other fellow, LL doesn't charge you for storing descriptions of prims and scripts, but they charge you for hosting prims and they do not charge you for hosting scripts.
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Candy Bijoux
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05-01-2005 04:27
So your solutions for account retention are to increase fees? hmm..*ponders*
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-01-2005 04:34
Good point.
However - why should I pay tier just to have <scanner replicator de jour here> come along and use up all the resources I'm paying for?
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Malachi Petunia
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05-01-2005 08:35
From: someone Um, make your own then? And try to be fair to the other point of view please? That's a very valid request, applicable to many. From: someone I don't think he mentioned 100 x faster, but that will merely create a tide of rising expectations, where more scripters will script more stuff and make them tax the server more. I know this is tekkie-wikki, but I'll try to talk down. Avatars are still the dominant load on a sim and will likely continue to be so. Or, more Zen-like, if a script runs in a sim and there is no one there to see, does it make load? From: someone We can't keep driving this game from the perspective of scripts only. And I say "we" because I'm in this game too, not just you. Spoken like a true solipsistic consumer of scripts incapable of making her own. Please remove your avatar from the game as it is adversely affecting my scripts.  |
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blaze Spinnaker
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05-01-2005 08:36
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Avatars are still the dominant load on a sim and will likely continue to be so.
In the general case, yes. Perhaps when Mono comes around even more so. However, I suggest you do a run through Boardman with just a few friends and let me know if you still think that's the case. Particles are still pretty deadly. Fortunately, we have better tools to seek them out.
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Cienna Rand
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05-01-2005 08:47
From: blaze Spinnaker As for the other fellow, LL doesn't charge you for storing descriptions of prims and scripts, but they charge you for hosting prims and they do not charge you for hosting scripts. If you've figured out how to get a script to run without putting it in a prim, I'd love to know. From: someone Particles are still pretty deadly. Fortunately, we have better tools to seek them out. Fortunately, they are completely client side as well. (Aside from the initial network traffic that says "hey this is a particle system".)
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05-01-2005 08:48
From: Enabran Templar I think LL needs to consider charging for excessive word usage on the forums before they consider any other new sinks. Ahahahahahahaaha, thanks for this. |