Should LL Charge For Script Usage?

Check all that apply, the poll is anonymous.

Charging for script usage hmm..how is that going to deter major game competitors from disrupting competition like Secondlife when they have plenty of funds to buy scripting if this scenario is possibly happening?

Oops, too late, can't make it check all that apply damn oh well back to the drawing board.

You're not making any sense to me, sorry. Read my longer separate thread on my concerns and my ideas, then get back to me if you see that somehow other competitors are going to come in and pay for script usage. They wouldn't bother. That's what I'm talking about, not buy scripts, i.e. codes, but buy *usage of* scripts *as they draw on the CPU resources*.

Great. Why not return object tax while at it? Ooh, and cloth tax. Your baked textures are taking temporary space on the asset server you know. Cant have that. Better pay up for cloth change.

Money solves everything, doesnt it Prokofy?

Good thing it does, or we'd have to come up with creative solutions to fix the backend originated issues that actually make these issues come up. Fixing or updating the backend may cause the issue to disappear without a money-based solution. God forbids.

Each option is mutually exclusive from the other options. Who would simultaneously vote "Yes, but tie it to land ownership only" and "Yes, but do not tie it to land ownership, tie it to actual script usage" when the two options contradict each other? A single vote poll is probably best here.

Well, I was hoping to then also capture those that want to sound off on the other themes like yes, curb it, because of griefers or no, don't due to concerns about creativity.

Got biased poll?

Um, I don't know what a baked texture is, Crystal, since I am not aware that I have any in the oven, but I'm happy to do my bit to get rid of that atrocious trillion-item load Philip has on his servers becaues he just doesn't know how to say "no".

In fact I'm organizing texture-purgation rituals at the Aztecha SkyTemple now as we speak.

Let him put a bill in my box next month, sure. That will concentrate my mind wonderfully.

I really am for concentrating minds wonderfully in this game -- there are a lot of great ones, and a lot of tiny ones, and they all need concentrating.

A way I've often found that works is when they have to *pay for* something and stop taking it for granted and become more responsible.

A competitor if they had intentions of disruption would buy whatever necessary to continue acount turnover and loss.

Only one No option? I need more no options to express how much NO I want to say.

I think LL needs to consider charging for excessive word usage on the forums before they consider any other new sinks.

Currently they provide 10,000 character limits on each post, and after the 30-second limit, as many of them as you want

I'm not for making these "sinks" like the $10 texture.

I'm for making it be hard, cold, RL cash in the form of tier paid to LL.

They're going to reach in and buy lots of individual accounts and lots of little plots of land? Hardly.

Start your own poll then?

Winter Phoenix also suggests a solution, I'm cross-posting from "Feature Suggestions"



Margot Abbatoir has offered a $5000 reward to a scripter who can design sucn an off/on switch she could use in the waterfalls she designs.

Well, the truth is...

The sensor in most cases would take up as much resources as the animation, and could only detect out to a little less than 100 meters...

We would need to have LL develop a switch really. One that said: "Only run scripts when person can see the prim it is in."

Scripting it just does not give CPU back very efficently.

Got biased poll? Mark II

Scripts are not like textures. You dont upload em. You write them in game. What are they supposed to charge per everytime you hit save? I think in the most recent town hall, something was mentioned about scripts running 100x faster.(sorry i dont feel like checkin exactly what it said.)

Tier for scripts?
Oh dear oh dear...

What would happen to all the people out there just like me, who can script well in SL, enjoy scripting, but can't afford more than basic membership? It would take away access to a huge part of SL for us, and many would leave. Not the best outcome for the community i'm sure.

Oh and btw..

Got biased poll #3?

Nah, but per forum post and per posted word charges would be a great idea. Thanks for the suggestion; I'll pass it on to my "buddies".

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Um, make your own then? And try to be fair to the other point of view please?


Posts: 105 Scripts are not like textures. You dont upload em. You write them in game. What are they supposed to charge per everytime you hit save? I think in the most recent town hall, something was mentioned about scripts running 100x faster.(sorry i dont feel like checkin exactly what it said.)

Uh, yeah, I know that. That's why I didn't say make it like the textures sink, or make it per script, now, did I?

Did I say they were "supposed to charge every time you hit save"? No.

I said they need to count how many are used and charge when people go over a certain amount. Read my other post here, and the other discussions.

I don't think he mentioned 100 x faster, but that will merely create a tide of rising expectations, where more scripters will script more stuff and make them tax the server more.

We can't keep driving this game from the perspective of scripts only. And I say "we" because I'm in this game too, not just you.

Griefers will not be deterred by any out of pocket expense to perpetrate their anti-social behavior.

Legitimate scripters attempting to tweak and test their scripts will be unescesarilly burdened

I like the toggle idea, but as a part of the UI.

Um, what's happening is that all the people out there just like me, who don't script but use scripts responsibly, who enjoy living and working with land and houses and making communities, who can or cannot afford basic membership, it is not material, are forced out of the game due to your selfishness as a class of people only driven by the need to protect your space and your creativity and its right, and as a class of people unable or unwilling to curb the more abusive members of your ranks.

It takes a way from a huge part of SL for us that your products draw on CPU resources and lag sims -- even when we don't use them, or use them responsibly. A few people using them irresponsibly is all it takes -- a bouncer script, various other laggy scripts, etc. Griefers use scripts. They grief. People are driven from the game due to griefing with scripts. When scripts cost more to use, you will have less happy-go-lucky heedless hedonistic fucktards using them.

LL can't or won't deal with these problems by banning. They ban and alts come back. It doesn't even take a griefing action in violation of a TOS to have a sim lagged -- it just takes some idiot with a store with turntables and flashing and stupid stuff and a bounce script to really lower the quality of life for everyone on the sim. You could try to tackle the problelm on that end, but there's no motivation for them to change.

Scripters are pretty heedless of the consequences of their product. You do see a few responsible ones taking huge lengths to warn the community when something bad is in the mix, or working overtime to make things like better security scripts that warn and don't push avs. But the bottom line is that a frequent attitude of the whole bunch is one of FUCK YOU, and FUCK YOU SIDEWAYS AND TORQUED WITH SOME COMPLICATED THINGIE I MADE if you so much as suggest that maybe they ought not to turn SL into their personal sandbox.

And I for one, am really eager to help start putting an end to that attitude by making both this community of creative but heedless types, as well as LL, more aware of the CONSEQUENCES.

Many will leave unless a balance is found. That's not the best outcome for the community, either. Because we are in this community just as much as you, and you no longer have a right to heedlessly drive us from it with your antics, whether intended or not.



Make your own poll.

Only a illiterati like this guy would try to get something like this off the ground.

He is clearly a member of the EOE (Envious of Everyone) cliche and as such, responsible for all terrible and socially destructive things that happen in this game that is as important as real world stuff, yessirreebob!

I'm sure he's probably a member of the Sticky-Wickets, too. You know, that group who obsessively cling to the dead horse long after he's been turned into glue?

p.s.: Sorry, I really wanted to make it a 10,000 word Prok-a-like thing, but you know, I actually had to stop when I ran out of things to say. Damn shame it isn't contagious, eh?

p.p.s: Oh... forgot to vote in the poll. Well, ok, didn't forget... found it a pointless exhibition of bias, hence unworth the time.