What measure? I didn't know there had been an official declaration on these things.
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P.S. Never mind . . . I just read the first page more carefully. I agree with their position, pixels or no.
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Cocoanut Koala
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06-07-2005 00:04
What measure? I didn't know there had been an official declaration on these things.
coco P.S. Never mind . . . I just read the first page more carefully. I agree with their position, pixels or no. |
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Lo Jacobs
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06-07-2005 00:06
What measure? I didn't know there had been an official declaration on these things. coco Er, the one where they would remove images of avatar nudity? * Edit: Ok. Well, I disagree strongly with it. I think it was an unnecessary move. _____________________
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Ilianexsi Sojourner
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06-07-2005 00:44
If the nude pics are in links, as they usually were before, then you aren't being assaulted by anything. It's your choice to click the link and see the pic, or ignore it and not see it. I'm really having a hard time understanding what's wrong with that.
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Juro Kothari
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06-07-2005 07:19
Real life is itself divided into mature and PG areas, and I appreciate that. I spend very little time in "mature" areas such as topless nightclubs (though I did go to one in the Bahamas), or adult book stores. So, when you're in the shower, are you in an 'M' area of RL? For the same reason, I prefer not to be assaulted by "adult" content wherever I turn, either irl, in the game, or on the forums. 'Assaulted'??!! 'Adult'? This, kids, is what happens when your country is founded by Puritans. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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06-07-2005 07:24
P.S. Much as I hate to say so, the discourse of the forums would be quite a bit less aggressive if the four-letter words were disallowed, and as a result, would actually be quite a bit more adult. I disagree. Censoring the boards to filter out expletives does not make them more 'adult', it makes them censored. Individuals practicing self moderation with the use of expletives in an arena that is open to thier use is, IMHO, more 'adult'. _____________________
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Cindy Claveau
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06-07-2005 08:34
-Just like we have PG and M sims inworld, what's the possibility of having an M area of the SL Forums? (Not that I would want to add to moderation burden if things get out of hand, but specifically for the purpose of posting things like skins in the nude.) Torley, the silly part of all this is that you and I allegedly assured the Lindens that we're over 18 when we set up our account -- and with an account, no forum access. I initially was going to respond to this whole thread by noting the general movement in America toward a more Puritan viewpoint on sex & morality, but on further reflection even that is irrelevant -- efforts by Congress to impose controls on adult content on the internet (as futile as it may be) have yet to go beyond the same 18-yo limit that SL already uses. So, IMO, the idea that children could read these boards is immaterial. They may, but if they do it's because they lied or otherwise sidestepped the TOS. That leaves us with the regular SL members who do not want to view adult content. And they're numerous, I'm sure. Their view deserves respect, as well. The Lindens would be getting into a slippery area if they started making fine distinctions between one forum and another. Easier just to apply the same PG rules to all of them. If I want to view adult content, I can just log into SL itself ![]() Or maybe someone could create a (tasteful) SL fansite that leans toward the adult. (SLerotica.com didn't seem to get very far) -Can outbound links to a skin creator's website be posted, where images do appear in the nude? As in, a PG "teaser" version is posted on here, and the M one follows after the hyperlink? Why not? I think there's a web-wide convention on some privately owned boards that, while they don't want you posting nudes on their board they don't mind if you link offsite with a warning. Cindy _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
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06-07-2005 08:51
I disagree. Censoring the boards to filter out expletives does not make them more 'adult', it makes them censored. Individuals practicing self moderation with the use of expletives in an arena that is open to thier use is, IMHO, more 'adult'. I agree with you, Juro. I guess I should have said, "makes us all seem more adult to the casual reader who might think we are speaking civilly by choice" or some such. coco |
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Cocoanut Koala
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06-07-2005 08:52
So, when you're in the shower, are you in an 'M' area of RL? 'Assaulted'??!! 'Adult'? This, kids, is what happens when your country is founded by Puritans. As for this rest - I'm not used to seing everyone ELSE in the shower as I go about rl. Blame the Puritans. coco |
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April Firefly
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06-07-2005 09:02
I could be wrong. But I think the picture that was moved was a solo picture, which means it pops up in all it's glory. It was my understanding that multiple pictures show up in a listing and therefore must be clicked to be seen. In the past I have seen warnings that clicking on this link might not be suitable for office viewing.
So here's my take on the removal of that particular picture. It popped up with no warning. Whether you are an adult or not, sometimes your computer is situated in areas where co-workers or young people or others might be in a viewing range. While I don't have that problem, my chihuahuas are used to pixel nudity and my work area is very private, I can understand others concerns. True you might just avoid skin posting but sometimes it's nice to see the responses to a particular skin, even if you can't view that skin at the same time. So I don't see it so much as censorship but consideration. Am I right Lindens? _____________________
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Lale Pico
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06-07-2005 09:06
Having a forum that is divided into PG and M just sounds like a lot of hassle to me. I can't possibly imagine the waste of time that would be.
Just a question though...are there set standards for what is considered PG or M? My opinion of what is considered M could be completely way off base when compared to someone else's opinion. Just because something may offend you, doesn't mean that it should be banned completely from the forums. Dont like it? Dont look at it! I would hate to think that a day may come where everything I do, say, read, look at, listen to, build, can no longer be just because someone else finds it offensive. Give me a break. |
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Juro Kothari
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06-07-2005 10:23
So I don't see it so much as censorship but consideration. Moderating the forums by selectively allowing materials to be displayed, is censorship - although in fairness it is not the nasty, evil type we like to think of. Anything that is moderated is censored, it's the nature of the beast. In the end, this forum is owned by LL and it is within thier right to moderate it as they see fit. It is within my right to voice my opinion on the matter and let it be known that I find it absurd in this specific example. If it was a sexually explicit image, I would agree, but it was not. It was an advertisement for a skin - which includes nipples and the genital region. These are things that one should expect to see when they are buying a skin - why is it such a big deal to display them in a non-sexual, informational purpose? _____________________
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April Firefly
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06-07-2005 10:40
Moderating the forums by selectively allowing materials to be displayed, is censorship - although in fairness it is not the nasty, evil type we like to think of. Anything that is moderated is censored, it's the nature of the beast. In the end, this forum is owned by LL and it is within thier right to moderate it as they see fit. It is within my right to voice my opinion on the matter and let it be known that I find it absurd in this specific example. If it was a sexually explicit image, I would agree, but it was not. It was an advertisement for a skin - which includes nipples and the genital region. These are things that one should expect to see when they are buying a skin - why is it such a big deal to display them in a non-sexual, informational purpose? I'm sorry but did you read my whole post? I think it's the one that just pops up that was the problem. Can you see the difference between clicking on a link and having the picture open up in the post? Is there no middle ground here? _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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06-07-2005 10:58
I'm sorry but did you read my whole post? I think it's the one that just pops up that was the problem. Can you see the difference between clicking on a link and having the picture open up in the post? Is there no middle ground here? Yes I did read your whole post. Having a link to an offsite image requires folks to have some place to store the image vs. being able to upload it. Personally, I embed most of mine to give instant satisfaction. The middle ground here is wherever LL decides it is. We're all free to agree/disagree with the placement of middle ground. And I'm free to voice my confusion over people's objection to the human form in a non-sexual context. ![]() As far as workplace consideration, the warning could be in the thread subject by placing a simple 'M' at the beginning, signifying material that may not be suitable for office viewing. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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06-07-2005 12:21
Maybe the New Products - Body Shop should just have a M disclaimer in the Sticky portion - pertaining to Av nudity.
Really is silly not to be able to have full nudity in Skin Ads, since how you will look naked is one of your shopping criteria. Also - if the forums are restriced to PG level type things then language is really going to need to be curtailed. Some people do seem to like to use profanity here. |
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April Firefly
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06-07-2005 12:27
Yes I did read your whole post. Having a link to an offsite image requires folks to have some place to store the image vs. being able to upload it. Personally, I embed most of mine to give instant satisfaction. The middle ground here is wherever LL decides it is. We're all free to agree/disagree with the placement of middle ground. And I'm free to voice my confusion over people's objection to the human form in a non-sexual context. ![]() As far as workplace consideration, the warning could be in the thread subject by placing a simple 'M' at the beginning, signifying material that may not be suitable for office viewing. Not an offsite link. When one picture is uploaded, it opens automatically. When there are several pictures uploaded, it shows just the links. I actually prefer this method because it also shows you the size of the picture which is helpful when on dialup. See this picture is from a post with attached images _____________________
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