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Taking things from the forum to world?

Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,328
07-30-2005 16:56
People are still people, in world or not.

I won't hunt you down to continue a forum argument as an in-world arguement, it's not worth the time... But it *will* effect my opinion of you in world.
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Barnesworth Anubis
Is about to cry!
Join date: 21 Jun 2004
Posts: 921
07-30-2005 17:39
From: Cristiano Midnight
Oh yeah, I forgot about the triple neg rates - me too :) I consider them a badge of honor. They were also met with the funniest offline IM I have ever received - I will PM it to you Ingrid :D


i want a copy of it!
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Burke Prefect
Cafe Owner, Superhero
Join date: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,785
07-30-2005 17:49
A couple people have came after me in-world for my opinions about all Mafia types being little lamer kiddies. If they want to bitch at me, fine. But when they try to disrupt my building with pushguns, I usually have to resort to extreme (to them) measures.
Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
Join date: 22 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,905
08-01-2005 21:43
From: Jonquille Noir
If someone claims to be a seperate person on the forums, well... they can roleplay all they like, but I'm under no obligation to play along and seperate one persona from another.


I wanted to reiterate this; I had just been talking about this earlier tonight.

I personally have encountered two people whose behavior can only be described as intentionally irritating, while their RL personality is much more civil. SL is not a game. It contains games, but they arre voluntary. I don't go in SL to play your sick "I'm going to role play being a mean person on the forums" game. No one asked me to play that game.

Both of these two people have been banned from the forums. :)
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
08-02-2005 09:17
I wish we could ban people from RL communicating.

You know, instead of going ot jail, just take make it so they can't write or talk or communicate in any way.
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Jsecure Hanks
Capitalist
Join date: 9 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,451
08-02-2005 09:29
I see these forums as a big debating hall. I push hard sometimes when I feel strongly about something, but I don't take my debates outside the debating hall. I debate here, and in SL that's like home, there I just chill out. And if I see someone I've debated with in the SL world I don't see them as any different. If they've pushed their point hard, well they debated well.

I don't like it when people cross the line towards "you're an idiot, you're *****" etc, I prefer it when people debate, but if someone decides to start insulting me in the forums, it probably just means I won't want to mix with them in the forums or out of them, I don't go after them in any sense.

But yeah, I see this place as a debating hall and SL as home. And I take my debating hat off when I get home.
Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 7,903
08-02-2005 10:58
And how I do love my koala, Cristiano! Newer players who see me in it with my little skirt are just amazed, lol.

I voted: as long as it's non-hostile.

Because the forums (pure discussion) are so different from the game (an environment), I find that it helps to get to know some of one's forum antagonists. I mean, you just KNOW nobody can be so awful as how you are viewing each other in this isolated mileau.

People come here and argue with each other who don't even KNOW each other. That strikes me as prime conditions for making enemies when you normally would like each other perfectly fine.

So I often reach out to the people who seem to be misunderstanding me, and me them, in the hopes that we are actually perfectly nice people who just butt heads over this or that issue. Especially one tends to think that, when there are just lots of things that person has said that makes one think it is a nice person, that one just disagrees with on specific issues.

This is the case with Cristiano. One night, a couple of months ago, I remember I was almost in despair over the way some thread was going. For some reason - who knows why, maybe it was just the way he said something - I was really, really wanting to talk to Cristiano, though I never had before. (I think I'm remembering this correctly.) I get on the game - and lo and behold, it's like ESP! He im's me!

That was just so wonderful, so perfect, so almost magical. He is a kind person. Kinda stubborn, but aren't we all? His reaching out to me has gained me a valuable new friend, albeit we disagree on quite a bit. Always civilly in game, and usually civilly on the forums, though I have lost my temper (recently) at him in another thread. Part of the reason I lost my temper at HIM, though, I have a suspicion, was that I sort of took out my frustrations on him, cause maybe it was kind of safe? Or maybe what he said upset me more than what others said (on top of what others had said)? Or it was the straw that broke ... or some combination of the above.

At any rate, I apologized for that. The same thing with several other posters here. One I reached out to in a moment of realizing how silly all this was, in a lot of ways, especially, probably, between me and him. This was not a person I disliked! So why were we at such loggerheads? We still go at loggerheads, to this day, and I still get irked with him and I know he still gets irked with me. But - there is a greater understanding, I think, of the things that do irk each of us, and that helps me to ignore those things, and focus more on the true beauty of his character.

In other words, by communicating in the game, we pretty much know what we're going to disagree on, and what are the hot button topics for each of us. Yet, by communicating in the game, we can get beyond that to the real person each of us IS.

And what could be more important than that? After all, we disagree with our real life friends on important issues, and, if necessary, learn not to discuss those particular things with each other. Here on the forums, all we KNOW is what we disagree or agree on, so that disagreeing on an important issue can prevent friendships that could otherwise occur in game. And that is always a loss.

In another instance, a person reached out to me, numerous times, both on the forums and in the game, though we disagree on some of those hot button topics. Eventually I stopped being addled enough to be able to appreciate that person for the wonderfulness she has to offer, and the great friend she can be, and I am the richer for it.

The forums are different from the game. Not because we are different people in each, but because each calls out different parts of us. If all you know of a person is their positions on issues in the forums, then you don't know - and can't appreciate - that person. And in many cases, this means you are missing out on a wonderful new friend.

coco
Jake Reitveld
Emperor of Second Life
Join date: 9 Mar 2005
Posts: 2,690
08-02-2005 12:02
If someone were to triple neg rate me in the world, for something I did on the forums I would think them petty, pathetic and small, and it would not impact my day in the slightest.
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April Firefly
Idiosyncratic Poster
Join date: 3 Aug 2004
Posts: 1,253
08-02-2005 12:06
From: Cocoanut Koala
And how I do love my koala, Cristiano! Newer players who see me in it with my little skirt are just amazed, lol.

I voted: as long as it's non-hostile.

Because the forums (pure discussion) are so different from the game (an environment), I find that it helps to get to know some of one's forum antagonists. I mean, you just KNOW nobody can be so awful as how you are viewing each other in this isolated mileau.

People come here and argue with each other who don't even KNOW each other. That strikes me as prime conditions for making enemies when you normally would like each other perfectly fine.

So I often reach out to the people who seem to be misunderstanding me, and me them, in the hopes that we are actually perfectly nice people who just butt heads over this or that issue. Especially one tends to think that, when there are just lots of things that person has said that makes one think it is a nice person, that one just disagrees with on specific issues.

This is the case with Cristiano. One night, a couple of months ago, I remember I was almost in despair over the way some thread was going. For some reason - who knows why, maybe it was just the way he said something - I was really, really wanting to talk to Cristiano, though I never had before. (I think I'm remembering this correctly.) I get on the game - and lo and behold, it's like ESP! He im's me!

That was just so wonderful, so perfect, so almost magical. He is a kind person. Kinda stubborn, but aren't we all? His reaching out to me has gained me a valuable new friend, albeit we disagree on quite a bit. Always civilly in game, and usually civilly on the forums, though I have lost my temper (recently) at him in another thread. Part of the reason I lost my temper at HIM, though, I have a suspicion, was that I sort of took out my frustrations on him, cause maybe it was kind of safe? Or maybe what he said upset me more than what others said (on top of what others had said)? Or it was the straw that broke ... or some combination of the above.

At any rate, I apologized for that. The same thing with several other posters here. One I reached out to in a moment of realizing how silly all this was, in a lot of ways, especially, probably, between me and him. This was not a person I disliked! So why were we at such loggerheads? We still go at loggerheads, to this day, and I still get irked with him and I know he still gets irked with me. But - there is a greater understanding, I think, of the things that do irk each of us, and that helps me to ignore those things, and focus more on the true beauty of his character.

In other words, by communicating in the game, we pretty much know what we're going to disagree on, and what are the hot button topics for each of us. Yet, by communicating in the game, we can get beyond that to the real person each of us IS.

And what could be more important than that? After all, we disagree with our real life friends on important issues, and, if necessary, learn not to discuss those particular things with each other. Here on the forums, all we KNOW is what we disagree or agree on, so that disagreeing on an important issue can prevent friendships that could otherwise occur in game. And that is always a loss.

In another instance, a person reached out to me, numerous times, both on the forums and in the game, though we disagree on some of those hot button topics. Eventually I stopped being addled enough to be able to appreciate that person for the wonderfulness she has to offer, and the great friend she can be, and I am the richer for it.

The forums are different from the game. Not because we are different people in each, but because each calls out different parts of us. If all you know of a person is their positions on issues in the forums, then you don't know - and can't appreciate - that person. And in many cases, this means you are missing out on a wonderful new friend.

coco



That was a beautiful post, Coco.
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