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Man Sentenced to 1300+ Years in Prison

Cid Jacobs
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07-09-2005 15:33
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I mean, I personally think he should be put into a fed prison in Colorado with his name printed all over his shirt so that all the other cell mates can see it. But was it really necessary to give him 1319 years? wouldnt "life" have worked just as well?
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07-09-2005 15:42
No, "life" would probably make him eligable for parole sooner. This way, he may never see parole. This little peice of human waste product should never breathe fresh air again.
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07-09-2005 15:46
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This little peice of human waste product should never breathe fresh air again.


Yes.
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Cid Jacobs
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07-09-2005 15:47
Couldn't the judge have given him "life without the possibility of parole"? It just seems a bit sensationalist to me. I'm sure the families involved don't want any more attention drawn to this, I would think. Maybe I'm just looking at it wrong. But i do think we all agree with
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This little peice of human waste product should never breathe fresh air again.
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07-09-2005 15:59
This is why it should be legal to drag someone like this out in the street and shoot them. A bullet is much cheaper than housing him for the next 50 years and he doesn't deserve to live.
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Cid Jacobs
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07-09-2005 16:00
For this guy.... a rope and chair would be lot cheaper than a bullet.
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07-09-2005 16:09
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No, "life" would probably make him eligable for parole sooner. This way, he may never see parole. This little peice of human waste product should never breathe fresh air again.

I agree wholeheartedly.
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07-09-2005 16:17
From: Maeve Morgan
This is why it should be legal to drag someone like this out in the street and shoot them. A bullet is much cheaper than housing him for the next 50 years and he doesn't deserve to live.


I am never 100% sure on this. I think killing him is the easy way out (for him), I think he deserves to go to jail and be somebody's bitch for a very, very, long time... see how he likes being abused and brutalized repeatedly by somebody bigger and stronger. But then also, it angers me so much that this *thing* (even animals have better behavior) got away with so much that my first impulse is to shoot him and never have to deal with him again...


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07-09-2005 16:44
Jail is for people who can be rehabilitated. This asshole should have fried. He's beyond salvation.
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Jillian Callahan
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07-09-2005 16:51
From: Cid Jacobs
Couldn't the judge have given him "life without the possibility of parole"? It just seems a bit sensationalist to me. I'm sure the families involved don't want any more attention drawn to this, I would think. Maybe I'm just looking at it wrong. But i do think we all agree with .
That may not be an option in this case. Sentancing isn't whim of the judge, there are guidelines and rules in place.
As it is, we work with what's available (civilized folks that we are), so a 1300 year sentance sounds to me like it was the best available option for keeping this flyspeck off the street.
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Cid Jacobs
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07-09-2005 17:02
From: Jillian Callahan
That may not be an option in this case. Sentancing isn't whim of the judge, there are guidelines and rules in place.
As it is, we work with what's available (civilized folks that we are), so a 1300 year sentance sounds to me like it was the best available option for keeping this flyspeck off the street.

That makes sense, but since this was a plea bargain, couldn't the bargain have been that "you serve life without parole, and you can spend the rest of your life in a prison out of state"?
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07-09-2005 17:08
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He wanted to be in a prison outside of Colorado because his crimes are so notorious he that he was concerned for his safety, 7NEWS reported.



In state or out, they'll know. If he's in general pop, he has a very, very short lifespan ahead of him.
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07-09-2005 17:09
From: Tikki Kerensky
In state or out, they'll know. If he's in general pop, he has a very, very short lifespan ahead of him.

One can only hope.
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07-09-2005 17:17
From: Maeve Morgan
This is why it should be legal to drag someone like this out in the street and shoot them. A bullet is much cheaper than housing him for the next 50 years and he doesn't deserve to live.


But the legal proceedings required to get the death penalty are generally (so I'm told) more expensive than housing someone for 50 years.
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07-09-2005 17:21
From: Cid Jacobs
That makes sense, but since this was a plea bargain, couldn't the bargain have been that "you serve life without parole, and you can spend the rest of your life in a prison out of state"?
No idea. Not only am I not experienced with criminal law in general, this sort of thing varies from state to state. I assume part of the bargain is to keep him where he won't be tortured by fellow inmates - the sentances for each of his crimes were near the maximum otherwise, if I read correctly.
As it appears none of the crimes carried a possible death sentance - or it was avoided in the bargain - this seems the best justice available. Nothing is going to erase the damage he's done or restore the lives he tried to wreck. He's in prison now and won't be outside the walls without being in a casket. No one else need fear him. Not much more to be done than that.
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07-09-2005 17:34
From: Jillian Callahan
No idea. Not only am I not experienced with criminal law in general, this sort of thing varies from state to state. I assume part of the bargain is to keep him where he won't be tortured by fellow inmates - the sentances for each of his crimes were near the maximum otherwise, if I read correctly.
As it appears none of the crimes carried a possible death sentance - or it was avoided in the bargain - this seems the best justice available. Nothing is going to erase the damage he's done or restore the lives he tried to wreck. He's in prison now and won't be outside the walls without being in a casket. No one else need fear him. Not much more to be done than that.

I guess you are right, nothing can be done to erase the damage done. Hopefully living with all of this on his conscience will keep him in as much pain as he caused others though. :(
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07-09-2005 21:03
Ouch.

Actually, since the "Death Penalty" card is in play, lest I remind everyone here that this is a death sentence. This man will die in prison, likely sooner as opposed to later. I can't imagine he'll be well-liked by the prison population, even with "precautions for his safety."

That said, there is a certain psychological factor to receiving over 1,300 years in prison. That being, no future judge is going to be stupid enough to overturn this one. Period.

"Life without the possibility of parole" still leaves the chance the judgment can be appealed - no matter how slim the chances.


I find the prospect of life in prison infinitely more frightening than Death Row.
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07-09-2005 22:53
I would rather take a death sentence than have a 1300 year ride pinned on.

This sack of shit needs a web cam installed in his cell. He should be required to wear a pink jump suit with a velcro flap over the bottom and NAUGHTY BOY in bold letters on the back. He should also have all his teeth pulled. The fellow prisoners that provide the best web cam entertainment with this guy each week should receive a free carton of smokes or some weed. After about a year rapist boy should be moved to a new prision and the process started over until he is dead.
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07-10-2005 03:41
Teeny,

<<Jail is for people who can be rehabilitated. This asshole should have fried. He's beyond salvation.>>

I don't agree. I think jail is to remove people from society for a length of time that will ideally prevent them from re-offending.

For those people calling for the death penalty or torture, it is easy to react in an emotional way to people who commit terrible crimes. If a member of my family were killed by someone I would wish to inflict the most horrendous tortures upon the perpetrator, and would be happy to do the task myself.

But that doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. Society has to be objective in its punishments. The idea of justice is not vengeance.

From the perspective of a country which hasn't executed anybody for nearly half a century now, the death penalty does seem to be barbaric, ineffective as a deterrent, and appalling.
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07-10-2005 04:14
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I don't agree. I think jail is to remove people from society for a length of time that will ideally prevent them from re-offending.

For those people calling for the death penalty or torture, it is easy to react in an emotional way to people who commit terrible crimes. If a member of my family were killed by someone I would wish to inflict the most horrendous tortures upon the perpetrator, and would be happy to do the task myself.

But that doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. Society has to be objective in its punishments. The idea of justice is not vengeance.

From the perspective of a country which hasn't executed anybody for nearly half a century now, the death penalty does seem to be barbaric, ineffective as a deterrent, and appalling.


I'll have to respectfully disagree. To clarify my earlier comment:

There are people who deserve to be in jail. People who need to be removed from society for whatever reason. In this case, the person involved has shown a complete lack of respect the people around him or human life in general. He may have been "just" a serial rapist, but if he had not been caught, he could have eventually killed someone. For all we know, there may be a few unsolved murders that were never linked to this person.

My point is that a person like this guy could possibly be a danger to others in prison as well as those outside of prison. At this point, I see the death penalty as a necessary way of dealing with people like him. Its not about vengence, its about ensuring that this person never hurts anyone else again. Having said that, I also believe that capital punishment should be carefully considered, not rubber stamped through just to make examples of people, or to score political points.
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07-10-2005 05:24
From: Maeve Morgan
This is why it should be legal to drag someone like this out in the street and shoot them. A bullet is much cheaper than housing him for the next 50 years and he doesn't deserve to live.

Maybe...but as the Timothy Evans/john Christie case shows...inadvertently killing someone in error is a risk, and makes the state no better than a murderer.

If we are to impress upon our children that hurting and killing is wrong, we have to stop thinking this way, surely?
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07-10-2005 18:43
From: Cid Jacobs
But was it really necessary to give him 1319 years? wouldnt "life" have worked just as well?


No, but maybe it's because our legal system is !@#$ing retarded?
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07-10-2005 19:40
Whatever the situation may be State sanctioned murder is no more moral than an individual committing murder. Plus it doesn't seem to deter crime. I think the US of A must be one of the most violence ridden countries on earth and having the government gleefully commit muder on it's own citizens doesn't help matters in my opinion.

If someone can tell me how the death penality prevents violence I will be sure to read their EVIDENCE.
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07-10-2005 20:29
Lets see, a Grandmother and two 11 yr old children were a couple of his victims, another died of an accidental drug overdose -- not to mention all the other counts against the man -maybe the state should just START with castration, going on to other forms of punishment to suit each of his crimes - no death penalty maybe, but make him wish he were dead. Who knows maybe it would stop others. Yep, I think thats a good route to go.

The US of A may have the most 'violence' but its also the most 'lax' in punishing people for horrible crimes. Usually the victims are treated worse than the criminals. If you have never been raped, you dont know what that person goes through, mentally, emotionally, and physically and that person has to LIVE with it every day for the REST of their life, and children need to be protected above all else.
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07-10-2005 20:31
From: Susie Boffin
Whatever the situation may be State sanctioned murder is no more moral than an individual committing murder. Plus it doesn't seem to deter crime. I think the US of A must be one of the most violence ridden countries on earth and having the government gleefully commit muder on it's own citizens doesn't help matters in my opinion.

If someone can tell me how the death penality prevents violence I will be sure to read their EVIDENCE.

Very few Americans believe that the death penalty somehow "prevents violence". Most pro-death-penalty Americans see it in terms of justice and fairness. Few argue that it actually works as a deterrent.

I agree, however, that the death penalty should be abolished. I think it is barbaric, and because of all the procedures ("safeguards?";) it costs a fortune per execution relative to the cost of life without parole, and ties up the court system.

Buster
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