Slavery

Is there any non-vulgar in game slavery Rping

Not sure what you mean by "non-vulgar". Look up the Gorean sims, but be sure to find out their rules and abide by them.

Yeah "vulgar" is kind of a vague word. I know there are many houses in game right now outside of Gor but not sure what thier statuses are offically.

Heh, is there anything not vulgar about slavery?

Call it the D/s lifestyle because thats exactly what it is. Except for Gor, thats a whole new twisted ball game.

Not all D/s involves slavery. And Gor, like every other culture in the game, involves completely voluntary roleplaying.

I don't see how it can be "slavery" in the strictest sense of the word when your slave can log off at the click of a mouse. But then, sometimes in the rush to moral judgement we say all kinds of silly things.

If the OP means nun vulgar as in no sexual - then Id say the answer is no

Both Gorean and D/S slaves involve sex in some way.

Of course MOST relationships that go past friendship involve sex in some way.


If the OP means non vulgar as in they dont like many of the things they see in BDSM situations then the answer is of course yes their are all sorts of D/S sexual arraingements.

The provisions would be negotiated with the contract.

For example if the slave being considered never wanted to be say .. tickled with a feather .. then that slave would need to say so before wearing the Dom/mes collar.


Also Like Cindy said -
in D/S there are slaves and there are submissives - and there is a difference. Though Sukara I think was more answering the question rather than trying to explain other possibilities, as I know she knows that.

well in a D/S sense "Slavery" is voluntary

Also in a gorean sense it is also since they slave is actively participating in a RP situation.


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as to non voluntary slavery - you are exactly right - there is nothing not vulgar about it.

In fact voluntary sex slavery no matter how kinky is less "vulgar" in my mind than any sort of involuntary slavery - no matter how enlightened.

Colette, that's what I was thinking too. "Non-vulgar" might be interpreted as not involving sexual play... but that makes it way more vulgar as far as I'm concerned.

Ananda,

I remember you some time ago making a plea for tolerance which was quite moving. It's a shame that we are sometimes unable to give as much tolerance as we expect to receive from others.

why should someone be tollerant of involantary slavery ?

Even the goreans are allowed to RP running away if its time to end things.
Everyone knows it voluntary.

Selador,

I am sorry if you interpreted my sarcasm over the vagueness of the post as intolerance. I have no problem with people roleplaying whatever sexual behavior they like to. I do find the idea of slavery, outside of a D/s roleplay situation, offensive though.

I guess by some weird stretch of logic, deciding to be against degrading human beings to the status of animals or property could be considered intolerant.

Ananda,

Sorry I was guilty of misinterpreting your motives.

However, you raise an interesting point. Some men were prosecuted in this country for assault, after taking part in an S&M session. Although the acts were totally consensual, they were regarded as assault.

I suppose where I differ from this view is that I think physical harm that is not actual mutilation, that will heal, is perfectly ok if it is consensual. I think that mental harm in the sense of a particular kind of degradation can be harmful even if it is consensual. That is why people involved in d/s need to be very sensitive to others, and they often are.

But objectification is seen as a release by many people. I am not Gorean and have little interest in the lifestyle, but I can see how for some people, to use a very Orwellian phrase that actually does mean something, slavery is freedom. Many people who have powerful positions in their non-BDSM life turn into submissives or slaves when they get home. It is a relief for many to sink into a position of servitude where another has to take charge of their life.

There are aspects of the Gorean lifestyle which I take issue with, but I certainly respect anybody's right to practice a consensual activity. I might not like some things that are a turn-on for some people, but I would not criticise anybody's kink or sexual preference provided it did no real harm.

In which case I wouldn't want to be tollerant.

there are also those who are masochists... and only sub for that reason.

I don't know of any reasonable person in our society who thinks *real* slavery is a good idea. I would suggest that even John Norman, the author of the Gor books, knew full well the limitations of social consciousness in the real world.


Denying people their rights as human beings is one thing. Calling someone a "slave" in an RP situation, with the ability to sell or whip one's slave in a purely harmless, roleplaying situation is quite another.

As for animals and property, if someone wants to wear a horsetail and a bridle, I'm certainly not going to try to put a label on their behavior as it would be arrogant of me to presume to judge them.

The ultimate act of consent is to log on. If someone is in or around a situation they find offensive online, the solution is only a click away.

Not really. People think this is real 100% and therefore take things a tad bit to far at times.

Also there is an interesting concept within the lifestyle that I found out and frankly many (those in and out) should concider it.

"Your Kink Is Not My Kink"

You can do it, I might not like it, but I'll defend it. Why? Cause I hope that when you disagree with me you will give me the same courtesy.

I don't know... I'm pretty open minded I think and I've tried and enjoyed many different kinks, and wholeheartedly encourage others to explore things I don't find sexy. But Gor RP depresses the hell out of me. It really does. I hate being around it.

LOL I was taught Old Gaurd by my Trainer (Yes I said trainer and No I am NOT sub). I keep getting mistaken for Gor cause I still hold some of my Old Gaurd values.

Alloew me to rephrase: no sexual

Umm.. what kind of non-sexual slavery are you looking for?

There's tons mostly they are the training facilities. There are about...three or four that I am aware of but would only recommend 2 at the moment as one I just staretd talking with and the other is not in my good graces.

Ps most training locations advertise D/s more then BDSM to avoid those that know BDSM from TV so they don't attact the "hip" crowd.

Some interesting points to note, as a slave owner: You cannot keep a slave if they want to leave, you cannot truly punish or move someone to a submissive or Dominant mentality if they are not already there. Also, there are many male slaves and female slave owners, and finally, and oddly, I think for SL relationships, having a framework like slavery or other RP groups, there is an implied framework that is very supportive of lasting relationships.

Relationships in SL are burdoned by 1) human need to become exclusive to someone and have them devote to yourself and 2) too many choices everywhere, the TP, the skin store, the disco, always someone to meet. So relationships are always burdoned by real world values like exclusivity which is almost impossible in SL. This destroys most real world style relationships quickly.

So, how does slavery work? In Gor, A Master "owns" a slave who is dedicated to Him/Her. A Master has primarily sexual encounters with others, or may own more than one slave. HOWEVER, a slave may "play" with other slaves, and will "serve" other Masters if required (or encouraged). So the issues introduced by a mulitplicity of choices are mostly satisfied but the primary relationship is enforced and sustained. It sort of works and to succeed in a framework like Gor requires an equal amount of effort from both, and jealousy on either side does not always work well, though some slaves can be restricted and some Masters may devote themselves to a single slave.

Well put.

Briana Dawson