Land Renter's Petition

If a tenant rents out a plot of land, he or she is entitled to be able to do whatever he or she bought the land for, as long as he or she does not break her part of the agreement, or local, county, state, or federal law. That is the law of the United States, and it is most definitly fair as far as Secondlife goes. Not only that, but one could consider that since real money is involved in some of these cases, that it should be taken just as serious as renting in the real world.

The fact of the matter is that Anshe has no right to immediately reposses land that other people have paid for, because they gave her a notice that they will not be renewing the land at the end of the agreed date, and may be looking to sell it off to a third party.

I am not sure if there is a SL renting 'law' out there. But the agreements should be honored, and if they are not, then there is something wrong.

Again, this petition is to find out if this is something that is more commonplace, or if it is a general problem between Anshe and a few people.

According to Anshe's earlier posts, I have to strongly question this.


And, thank you for once again informing me of the TOS rules. If Linden has a problem with this thread, then I will definitly be informed of it by them. However, I am trying to deal with this as fairly as can possibly be.

you are most welcome.

And yes she does the right to revoke someones land. If you do not conform to her rules and regulations. Re read Anshe's TOS..

Anyways,, you have only been in game for a month, and you think you know everything about Anshe and her business.. I dont think you have a place for judgement

WHAT ?
/Ellie's mind boggles
/Ellie begins to doubt validity of whole thread.

I would have to know more about the situation before I could reply with any real idea, but...


I've had dealings with Anshe before. Not pretty ones. This isn't time or place to discuss, to me. I do see this though. If Yiffy had say, 3 weeks left on her "lease", Notified Anshe that she wasn't renewing, then Anshe would have no right to "re-possess" that land until those three paid-for weeks are up. This is assuming Anshe works "A month ahead". Now, if Yiffy only had, say, one day let on her "lease" then notified Anshe, then yeah, it's OK to me.

That's jsut my two cents. We won't know till we get numbers. I do know though, Anshe, if yer reading this, with the current debacles going on invoving your name, you are putting yourself in risky positions. Noone, not even the biggest baddest Land Vulture in SL, is immune to the loss of customers that bad word of mouth advertizing can carry.

One "Awww crap" cancels ten "atta boys".

I don't NEED to read through Anshe's TOS. Anshe does not possess the right to take peoples money on the premise that she is giving them land to use, and then take the land back before the agreed date. It is ABSURD to believe any other way. And maybe I have only been in the game since July -- which is two months. But I RENT in REAL LIFE, from a REAL LANDLORD, and I am quite aware of what the terms of renting are. Just because this is in a game, it does NOT give people the right to scam other people out of REAL CASH.

Now if you do not conform to her rules, then she has the right? That is different for every person. But if she makes and agreement, and then renigs on it because someone isn't going to pay her for later usage after the lease expires.. well, if she has something in her rules about that, no one should rent from her. If she doesn't and does so anyway, then what she is doing can be construed as real life fraud and brought to real life court. And yes, I think it would make a lovely Judge Judy episode.

Seriously.. if Anshe was a dishhonest business person.. you think I would have given her $1250 US dollars? Hell no

I seriously think there is a missing piece of this story...

Boggled already? Shake the dice up, reset the timer, and give it another go.

Yes? People rarely give money to dishonest people, but few people realize they're dishonest until after the transaction has been completed. Trust Anshe as much as you want. I trust her enough to pay her US$20 every month. However, I also trust the plaintiffs (in the non-legal sense of the word) when they make allegations like these. When I hear so many negative reports, it makes me cautious even though my own experience (save for one land deal which leaves a bad taste in my mouth) is generally good.

Areth.

I tried to send you this as a Private Message to stop cluttering the thread, as it waits for its complaints to arrive. But you have messages turned off, so I pasted it to here, obscuring the arriving complaints still further. Turn messaging on perhaps (in control panel)?

By your own rules, if your motivation and intentions are what you claim, shouldn't you be waiting quietly for the independent complaints you have solicited to come flooding in ? Not posting continually in a partisan and inflammatory manner ?

And incidentally you are displaying ignorance of the position taken by the only police force we have. The Lindens have stated that they do not recognise the "purchase" elements of these unenforceable "contracts", and that residents enter into them at their own risk. This is private land, and not yours. The sim owner is effectively the dictator. Thats why many people go there. For a more disciplined environment. I don't think you knew this. But please take it on board now you have been told, and not just by me.

Now please be quiet and wait for your proof to arrive, that this undoubtedly lawful dictatorial power is being regularly used abusively, as you claim. If its true, we need to know.

It will vindicate you or not. So far we have two and a half complaints. Two weak, the half incomplete and so indeterminate. But its early days. You may yet get a huge petition. Though I don't know who it can be addressed to but to public opinion.

Jeepers, I'm almost in the role of Anshe defender. It's my obsession with justice. Praps I should join MJW and get a cape. Oh yes - I forgot - I did......

Where's Jeska anyway ?

The way Areth tries to present this issue here is not correct.

I never took away land from anybody. The land Yiffy held was group owned and the land holding group was disbanded. When I noticed that the land was empty and the land holding group dissolved I checked for tier subscription and found that tier had been canceled several days before. There also were no for sale signs or anything of that sort on the land.

Would Yiffy have contacted me and told me he made some mistake, messed up with his group etc. I would have readily deeded the parcel back (assuming he would cover his tier). That is what I usually do, something Linden Lab won't usually do for you when you mess up with your land on the mainland. I also usually offer to buy back land at certain rate (in this case 1.9 L$ per sqm less than what the land originally was purchased for). This option is still available if I get approached in civil manner, something I have been waiting all day for, but one should never give up hope

I dont know where you got this info but just cuz redfox and i wher living near each other and are both furries doesnt make us CLOSE FRIENDS. Sure we both know each other and talk/mess around. but a close friend is someone you have personal feelings for. We arent close but i enjoy his company the same as any other friend i made in second life. The land group was not disbanded it was cut off of the land by the sim owner. I will not be a basher against you i simply wish for you to contact me and resalve this matter. i believe im intitled to a refund of unused fees or a buy back price. I end this post now.

On reflection, I don't think this can work. Balance and impartiality are not achievable. Here, people may be scared to accuse. In an alternative anonymous forum, Anshe couldn't defend.

I think maybe reputations have to be built up by word of mouth and serendipity. Attempts to demolish or enhance them by forum posting are maybe equally gameable and untrustworthy.

Ah well, I'll check back in two days anyway. If the thread is not wiped, I'll have a peek what Areth has in the net.

problem on this transaction resalved.

The sim owner does not have the power to dis ban a group. You would have have to make her an officer and she would have had to do a recall on all officers and then boot the members.. Maybe all your members left the group...

He did not say the group was disbanded. He said that the group was "cut off" the land. As in, the land was taken from his group, and restored to the sim owner's control. This is within the power of the sim owner.

I read it wrong.. though I still think she needs to be an officer to do this ..

If that were the case, then I could stop paying my rent now as Anshe is no longer an officer in my land group. It's not, though. Land deeded to another group by a sim owner can be reclaimed at any time, as the sim owner retains control over it.

Yes the Group is Still active in my group list. But removed from the land. It wasnt me who did it. I came back to see a rental sign on it. I should point out that my character is female too. o.- The sim owner is able to change ownership of anyones land.

Heres the process i went through buying land.
1. I create a group.
2. I invite the sim owner as a officer.
3. They deed the land to group.
4. They leave the Group.
5. The first tab on the about land dialog is greyed out. (cant sell or alter that tab)

So if i want to sell i have to contact her or her staff. And i did when i signed the SELL LAND form on the website. I didnt recieve a message. Just a notecard saying something about not being able to buy the land back the lindens wont allow it. I didnt quite understand it maybee she can clearify. Anyway After my last post the problem was resalved.

But people in the forest i care about are leaving, sick of trying to keep the place alive when there being used as a tool for someone else. Soon i will be leaving too. But i have plans in a new sim opening up soon. which will practicly be the only place left in SL for me. I choose not to go to furnation. Im one of the builders from when the sim was built. I was mistreated by the admins, having my work rejected by one and praised by the other. They totally lacked communication and had me stuck in the middle so i left...

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