Lindens to participate!

Eboni, I understand your concerns and know that many people share it. I will be handling the donation of money to the Red Cross. I left a message for someone at my local Red Cross chapter (Waco, Tx) to start setting things up.

I know that a lot of people don't know me, but many that do know that I am honorable and trustworthy. I have so much sympathy for anyone who suffers, but I especially feel for those in Louisiana because they are my neighbors, and some are my friends.

I have moved twice in the last three months, so I have little to spare irl. This is the best way, aside from donating clothing and canned goods, that I can help. So whatever money we should raise will be going for sale on gamingopenmarket.com, and from there it will be donated to the American Red Cross.

If there is anything I can do to ease your concerns, please do not hesitate to ask.

Well, I did not take your post the way Eboni and Cris did, Phoenix. But I can also understand their points. Unfortunatly a text based medium, where we are not all proffessional writers, can often lead to misunderstandings or miswordings. It happens. I'm thankful though that everyone can express their opinions.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a lot more cranky these days just from being in a funk over what happened.

At any rate, good luck with the event Phoenix! If I'm able to be around, I may come auction myself off. Alas I am too broke to bid, but maybe some freak will want me for a good cause!

I would suggest YOU not be so sensitive and to stop looking for "issues" in someone's perfectly innocent statements.

And who really gives a fuck about what they're motivation is? The fact that someone is actully DOING something.

BTW, take a clue from the clue jar. The is NOTHING wrong with someone caring more about their fellow citizens than people half a world away. It also doesn't mean that someone doesn't care AT all for people in other countries. It's no different that someone considering the needs of one's own family first.

TO EVERYONE:

PLEASE STOP FINDING FAULT WITH WHAT PHOENIX IS TRYING TO DO.

Hey!! Are you calling ME a freak????

Of course you did. But you're offendedness blinds you to this.



It is certainly your right to be offended.



As can I. I think you're being extremely rude to someone who's just trying to help. I have a few more things I could say, but I'll refrain.

how about let's over look phoenix's pushy post considering his heart is in the right place. it really is great to help people around the world but it is natural to be more passionate to help people who belong to your tribe.

a well intentioned charity event post is not something to create drama over. may i direct drama over to the lobby group, land economy, and my neighbour built a laggy club threads? cristiano stole my IP!

I didn't find fault with what he is trying to do, and I am not clueless, thanks for the insult. Quite the contrary. You don't get to define my level of sensitivity, either. I took issue with what he said about Ethiopia and Somalia. Human life is human life, and I found it distateful to downplay what is happening there for whatever reason. His comments of "It's not Ethopia or Somalia, it's New Orleans!" just feeds into the "not in my backyard" mentality when it comes to helping people who desperately need it.

Wow Cris. Your outburst surprises me on this subject knowing how passionate you used to be on various subjects yourself -- to the point of sometimes being carried away with your own posts.

He's trying to do the right thing for his fellow Americans. He's asking people to give a damn. Basically the same way he was told to take a flying fuck.

This is a good event, these are good people -- please stop this nonsense of nitpicking the posts apart with your passion against someone -- and get back to the passion about something good that will come from all of this.

And yes, I'm using ignore from now on. A historical event so painful to so many people even from a distance deserves some respect, not outright vulgarity from various individuals.

EDITED TO INCLUDE:

Three cheers for the Linden's for willing to walk the catwalk and sell themselves for a great cause!

Sometimes NIMBY is the exactly correct attitude to have. I find it highly distasteful that the U.S. spends BILLIONS of dollars on foreign aid and yet can't seem to find any way to deal with it's own poor people. I also don't support spending billions on the cluster-f*ck in Iraq either.

I make no apology for wanting my fellow citizens taken care of before the citizens of other nations. If that doesn't live up to your apparently high opinion of your humanity. Tough shit.

I also find it highly objectionable for someone to raise the crap you did, in public, on this board. You not only shame yourself, but you also foster ill will toward others who are trying to help.

It's too bad neg ratings won't matter anymore in-world, because it would be my money well spent to neg you.

"I chafe DogSpot's butt"

Well played.

I agree wtih you when you say that the U.S. needs to take care of their own poor and desolate. However, that doesn't mean that others around the world cannot be helped that are in need of it. And in regards to your comment about it being objectionable for Cristiano to make the comment that he did, it definitely isn't. The last time I checked, this was a forum, a place to share and discuss ideas, even if they are not agreeable with yours. So if you didn't like what he had to say here in the forums, that's your opinion and ultimately tough shit.

Hmm... So my Katt wants Pendari? (Quickly searches for video camera)



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The original post in this thread was fine, the event and the reason for raising money are wonderful. However, I stand behind what I said and I am not ashamed of it. I was offended by Phoenix's post as it was stated. Ultimately, whatever motivates someone to give, giving is a good thing. However, basically saying this is not poor people in Africa, these are your neighbors is moral relativism that I find extremely distasteful.

Pendari is definately one of those people I would like to get to know better. Put the video camera down and slowly step away...

Point out where I said that the U.S. helping our own was EXCLUSIVE of helping other countries. Go ahead, point it out.

What's that? You can't.

Why? Because I never said that.

My point wast that despite Cristiano's protests otherwise, there is nothing wrong in wanting to help our own first.

You can take the strawman down now.

will this be a first for charity event thread getting locked? a linden sanctioned/endorsed charity to boot!

I would hate to say that wrong thing and offend people, BUT please agree to disagree and move on. Either that, or argue on another thread.

As Jauani said, I would hate to have this thread locked bc of personal attacks.

I also would like to update you all. The following people have volunteered to be auctioned off:
Euterpe Roo
Eboni Khan
Aimee Weber
Lola Rosebud

hehe.. what the hey! Put me down too as offering myself for auction Katt!

And.. you are only a freak if you want to be a freak. heheh

You can include me as well.

you can put me down too:
an hour with jauani wu - criticism, cynicism, and making you cry.

i hope i can earn you at least 100 L$. that's the starting bid right?

I will start your bid at $1000L

I'd bid on J just so I could make him sit in stocks for ppl to throw stuff at him

I agree, Forums are a place to discuss thoughts and ideas. Maybe if Cris had said something along the lines of...

lets not forget the other people in the world that need our help

and maybe even said...

Phoenix with all due respect I find myself feeling that your post focused on this disaster, and would prefer you to have acknowledged the others in the world that need help too. And that I personally felt your post was somewhat dismissive of these other areas of the world.

it would have been better than...



Which is not a particularly great way to open a discussion.

I know people feel passionatly about these things, but all this aggression that seems to be going around, is it really necessary?

Maybe when we do disagree and have different opinions on things, we could discuss them civily without needless aggression and/or offensive remarks that divert discussion into the gutter before its even on its feet.

This is exactly how I feel, too. I will be up for auction, and I hope, no actually I pray, that I don't look like a total loser.

So. . .bring it, freaks.

I understand. And I'm glad you're trying to help.

Actually, I was trying to douse the flames by giving an honest explanation of how I reacted to the way you expressed yourself - without the overblown and self-righteous condemnation. I think using the phrase "give a damn" unintentionally gives people an excuse to regard the victims of Katrina as somehow more deserving our compassion than others who are not part of the American family. And in the mean time, millions of people in another area of the world lay down and die.

Still, I can do more for Americans on the Gulf Coast than I can for people on the African continent. So that is where I am focused - while never forgetting the others.



Which event? Somalia and Ethiopia? Katrina and the American Gulf Coast? I'm honestly confused.