Robin's Comments on Teluhubs, p2p tp, compensation for people near telehubs

Ok. I'm too curious not to ask. What is plan B??

They don't have to wait for p2p Doc. They're already there. It's a rare quiet residential sim that has no club or mall in it. For that matter, strictly residential sims can be even worse as people pile thousands of minute concave prims, as many large scale textures, and dozens of active scripts into the homes. If you want to talk about ugliness and lag, clubs and malls are not the problem, we are.

Oh... sorry, thought that was obvious. If P2P goes ahead I'll be buying a few joined island sims, moving my rentals over and dumping my mainland property while it still has value...

I'm probably going the island route anyway, on the mainland it doesn't seem to matter how much land you buy up, some tasteless idiot always pops up on your border with an eyesore. At least islands are safe from that.

I third this. So many people have lost out in the past when something changed in SL, and nobody's ever going to forget the 1.2 change when EVERYTHING changed and many lost land.

What's different NOW that suddenly compensation should come in? I don't think there should be compensation till there is back compensation for all presentable grievances since SL came out of beta way back when.

Not in my residential sims Khamon! No malls/clubs/'x'ingo/casinos/etc. Or skyboxes. Or masses of listening scripts...

LL's bottom line is what drives their decision making. They ask themselves.. will killing hubs affect business? will keeping hubs affect business.

With hubs we see a 20% per month growth. No one is leaving SL because they have to use a telehub to go places.

Will people leave if Hubs go away? The answer is a definite "MAYBE". Some big money players who loose thousands of real dollars would most likely pull out and cut their loses. Those are the big tier people. Once they go away prices for land will fall dramatically. Who will take over all their tier charges?

Some people who love to create quietly might leave because their home sim was over run by businesses.

Some small business owners might fold up and reduce their land tier.

My guess is most of those upset players will reduce their account to basic, reducing the income flow to LL by even a larger margin.

The devil you know(telehubs) is better than the devil we don't know(the possible issues involved in the change to P2P).

Kline, you're just living in your own dream world with that stuff. People streaming out of SL because they can go where they want. People streaming in to SL cause they have to get caught up in someone's laggy store...

This is the world entirely through your eyes only, and it's not in keeping with the situation out on the street.

hehe. I agree! And see, this is the reason I don't think the concern that P2P "will make clubs and businesses appear all over the place" is valid. Because this *already* happens. Having P2P will not increase or decrease this current practice any. At least it is my belief that it won't.

I agree with this as well! For the same reasons!

Hippos are Excellent! and cute - and I also agree with your No Compensation position.

It may be my dream world, but I wouldn't be selling hub land cheap right now. If I were a betting man, my money would be on LL doing what's in their best interest. And as my last post point out, changing the trasportation system in this way would harm SL in a profound way.

I don't have any hub land, I just have small shops within a sim or two of a hub. I don't have a home, so I welcome the idea people can click a button to arrive at my shop.

If P2P ever did happen, how ever unlikely that is, I would move much closer to the residential areas, so my things would be more visible to those in the area.

green hippos are especially attractive in a greenish hippoy sort of way

What is in the best interest of LL is growing the user base. Let's hope they realize that. Improving the transportation system improves the ga.., er, user experience in SL. LL needs to implement every opportunity it can to improve the average user's enjoyment of SL if it wants to survive. If LL caters to a couple of users, at the expense of everyone else, SL stagnates and dies in the face of competing products that users find to be better.

With SL at the two year mark and getting a lot of exposure in the press lately, SL is probably in it's period of high growth right now. If it can't improve and continue to grow now, it may never do so.

I understand SL is growing at 20% per month. That is a huge growth number, almost unsustainable unless LL is very organized. So growth isn't a problem if LL keeps hubs.

The "few" we are talking about are the power players. The land barons etc are carrying the tier load. If they stop holding all that land it will either go back to LL as first land or it will be sold for pennies on the dollar. If it's sold for pennies, prices everywhere in SL will plummet.

This isn't a dream, it's a nightmare.

Hmmm, I'm afraid you are giving LL credit for more business sense than their observed actions suggest they possess. They don't exactly have a brilliant track record of making the best decisions about SL from a business point of view...

It is the land barron's customers who are carrying the tier load, and the land barron.

Land barron's are in the business of inflating the price of land. If the price of land plummets, that makes more money available to content creators - a better situation for SL as a whole.

If land barrons all suddenly decided to cash out their huge oversupply of land, the price drop would, at most, only last a month, until the land was sold for anything it could get, then the remainder released to reduce tier costs. The real dollar value of land is the price it is made available for from LL.

Big business is definately lobbying for the preservation of telehubs

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The price of land made avaliable by LL is $L512 per 512m2 lot. Or $1L per square meter. Most people paid much more than that from private parties. We could say.. "tough luck to you older residents who paid dearly for that land". New player would love the cheap land though.

But even if LL disregarded the powerplayers concern, and ignored the devaluation issue, LL will have to create a zoning system that will need constant policing by LL staff. The way LL has been moving is towards self-policing methods.

These are just points that come to mind when trying to determine the future actions of LL.

omg you made me laugh so hard with that one

THANK YOU

This link was included in Hiro's original post in this thread.