Welcome to the Second Life Forums Archive

These forums are CLOSED. Please visit the new forums HERE

Virtual World Business Brands

Pathfinder Linden
Administrator
Join date: 15 Mar 2005
Posts: 507
06-11-2005 09:38
Excellent paper by Besty Book: "Virtual World Business Brands: Entrepreneurship and Identity in Massively Multiplayer Online Gaming Environments."

Second Life is one of the environments discussed. :)


http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=736823
_____________________
Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 16,530
06-11-2005 12:49
I like Betsy, her avatar in SL has such a cool nose.

I also like her site virtualworldsreview.com

Really nice analysis there, that's pretty deep. I like that part where Betsy goes into detail about the *PREEN* logo... congrats Aim and QB!!!
_____________________
Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
06-11-2005 13:01
Templar Botworks

BEST BRAND EVAR
_____________________
From: Hiro Pendragon
Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.


Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 16,530
06-11-2005 13:03
^ Clearly a man who has put MUCH thought into his documentation and packaging, and not only that, but the product too! Eeegads!
_____________________
Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
06-11-2005 13:48
From: Torley Torgeson
^ Clearly a man who has put MUCH thought into his documentation and packaging, and not only that, but the product too! Eeegads!


Torley is far too generous with praise. I don't think anyone else has been so impressed with my marketing. :)

The paper is interesting and I'm glad they mention Cubey -- he struck me immediately as one of the best-branded one man companies in SL. As a newbie, Cubey's polish and attention to detail and simple effectiveness at presenting his products left me with one overriding opinion of the aviation market in SL: Either you bought your plane at Abbots or you bought a piece of crap.

I've owned a few Terra-branded goodies and the quality is there, too. Definitely has an amazing, balanced equation going on.

edit: It should also be mentioned that when I kicked off my image and marketing, I asked myself several times, "Is this how Cubey would do it?"
_____________________
From: Hiro Pendragon
Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.


Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
06-11-2005 15:52
Agreed. While Cubey has made a couple of missteps in the forums, I have to say his inworld marketing is sheer genius.

Honestly, I can not imagine anyone who has done a better job than him. A part of it, no doubt, is the product offering lends itself very well to marketing.
_____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
06-12-2005 10:54
Welcome to the Fetaverse! I love how it works! The most brilliant marketing technique known to Humankind!

1. Get an insider, cool, connected expert to write a land-mark, ground-breaking paper on branding (help her with leads if she had the idea on her own or pitch her the idea)
2. Have her mention 2-3 FIC brands in the paper
3. Obtain recognition all over the gaming blogosphere, SL, and everything in between for those 2-3 companies!
4. Have a Linden endorse the paper, and by extension, the 3 FIC brands within the paper. Savvy!

I still think Cubey's blimp hovering over Waterhead WA with the notecarded advertisement that newbies can click on beats any egghead paper on the Internet or ingame advertising billboard by a landslide! WTC Cube!

Also another technique that works well is to remove my ad out of the telehub at Waterhead but leave in everybody else's ads and make sure Cubey's is showing on top LOL.
_____________________
Rent stalls and walls for $25-$50/week 25-50 prims from Ravenglass Rentals, the mall alternative.
Baba Yamamoto
baba@slinked.net
Join date: 26 May 2003
Posts: 1,024
06-12-2005 10:58
You're doing a good job of promoting the "Feted" brand yourself Prokofy..... We can't thank you enough for giving us a kick start.. really!
_____________________
Open Metaverse Foundation - http://www.openmetaverse.org

Meerkat viewer - http://meerkatviewer.org
blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
06-12-2005 14:35
From: someone
Welcome to the Fetaverse! I love how it works! The most brilliant marketing technique known to Humankind!


Yeah, I'd sure love to get some background on this betsy book character.

I find it fascinating that she provides so little reference to who she is. Naturally, it makes her (and her thesis) pretty suspect.
_____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
06-13-2005 10:08
OOH. I didn't even notice this one. Thanks for posting Pathfinder! <3
_____________________
Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,601
06-13-2005 10:50
From: Prokofy Neva
Welcome to the Fetaverse! I love how it works! The most brilliant marketing technique known to Humankind!


You're just jealous. Nya nya! :D

Marketing and branding in SL is a game within a game in SL. Very fun stuff. I've been really impressed by the proffesional job people like Cubey Terra and Fizik Baskerville (Avalon) have done especially, in addition to alot of the clothing designers in SL.
_____________________
Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
Thrust-O-Matic Inc.
06-13-2005 10:52
Say no more.
_____________________
The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals.

From: Jesse Linden
I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Beau Perkins
Second Life Resident.
Join date: 25 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,061
06-13-2005 10:53
Prokofy,
With all do respect, put a sock in it. You are jealous and it has never been as transparent as it is in this thread. Just because you offer no actual talents other than to rent land out, does not mean others are being favored. You have no right.

As someone who works hard to establish a recognizable brand, I have no jealousy over the exposure Cubey gets, I think of these things as people just setting the bar.
_____________________
Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
06-13-2005 10:56
From: Siggy Romulus
Thrust-o-matic inc. Say no more.


I'll take 2.
_____________________
Cubey Terra
Aircraft Builder
Join date: 6 Sep 2003
Posts: 1,725
06-13-2005 11:37
From: Prokofy Neva
Also another technique that works well is to remove my ad out of the telehub at Waterhead but leave in everybody else's ads and make sure Cubey's is showing on top LOL.


Hmm?? I dropped an ad into the telehub ad panels weeks ago the same way everyone else does. Are you suggesting that I can control whose ad shows up in it? That would be a neat trick, but seriously, I can't do that, Prokofy. If there's anything weird about the advertiser, it might be because most of the advertisers have been broken for months.
_____________________
C U B E Y · T E R R A
planes · helicopters · blimps · balloons · skydiving · submarines
Available at Abbotts Aerodrome and XstreetSL.com

Cubey Terra
Aircraft Builder
Join date: 6 Sep 2003
Posts: 1,725
06-13-2005 11:38
Betsy's done a great job on this paper -- well-written and insightful. WTG Betsy. :)
_____________________
C U B E Y · T E R R A
planes · helicopters · blimps · balloons · skydiving · submarines
Available at Abbotts Aerodrome and XstreetSL.com

Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
06-13-2005 11:41
ROFL. No, I'm not jealous. How could I be jealous of someone branding an airplane in a game? Or making and branding dresses in a game when I have no desire to make dresses? Huh?

People who keep characterizing me as "jealous" are just letting me know of their own world view, which puts a premium on doing some Big Cool Thing in SL and being Mentioned in the Media. Why would I need to do that? It's just really not of interest to me. Trust me, my dream is not to have um the Economist do an article on me and my rentals business. Honestly, I do have a life.

I'm not really a gamer and I don't make airplanes? I'm just commenting on how the Metaverse gets made. It's important to do. You need critics. Especially critics of the status quo.

From: someone

I find it fascinating that she provides so little reference to who she is. Naturally, it makes her (and her thesis) pretty suspect


well, it's the Internet, and we can't really mind it that much, but hey, google her, and maybe you'll find something "on" her. There isn't much on her, and it seems more about being famous for being famous in the claustrophic world of game reviews and scholarship.

Try this:

http://www.virtualworldsreview.com/papers/BBook_SoP2.pdf

but nothing world-burning there -- footnotes to Hamlet Linden, Ed Castranova, Richard Bartle -- like certain other new and specialized areas of scholarship I guess they all just refer to each other LOL.
_____________________
Rent stalls and walls for $25-$50/week 25-50 prims from Ravenglass Rentals, the mall alternative.
Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
06-13-2005 11:42
From: someone
Betsy's done a great job on this paper -- well-written and insightful. WTG Betsy.
__________________


See, this is what I mean about how they all refer to and praise each other.

Cubey, honestly, what was insightful about this paper? Could you tell us?
_____________________
Rent stalls and walls for $25-$50/week 25-50 prims from Ravenglass Rentals, the mall alternative.
Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,601
06-13-2005 11:46
From: Prokofy Neva
Why would I need to do that? It's just really not of interest to me. Trust me, my dream is not to have um the Economist do an article on me and my rentals business. Honestly, I do have a life.


mkay.
_____________________
Cubey Terra
Aircraft Builder
Join date: 6 Sep 2003
Posts: 1,725
06-13-2005 11:48
From: Prokofy Neva
See, this is what I mean about how they all refer to and praise each other.

Cubey, honestly, what was insightful about this paper? Could you tell us?


Trolling: The Prokofy Technique

Step 1: Identify one or more SL residents who have contributed significantly to Second Life. Businesses are good targets, but non-profit organizations or efforts are even better.

Step 2: Attack them with a smear campaign in the forums by calling their motives and/or talents into question with vague allegations, supplemented by outright lies.

Step 3: After the inevitable rebuttals and "oh, fer crying out loud" replies, play the victim card: You're only stating the truth and anyone who criticizes you is colluding with someone to keep you and the common man down.

Step 4: Repeat steps 1 to 3 ad nauseum.

The above quote is step 3.
_____________________
C U B E Y · T E R R A
planes · helicopters · blimps · balloons · skydiving · submarines
Available at Abbotts Aerodrome and XstreetSL.com

Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
06-13-2005 12:00
I'm really stunned and disappointed that this thread has already been derailed.
_____________________
From: Hiro Pendragon
Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.


Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 16,530
06-13-2005 12:08
More information about Betsy Book, aka Skyllar Skidoo, can be found at her website:



Where she seems to have explored just about every virtual world out there.

If you see her av inworld, you will know why I say she has a cool nose! :)

Also be sure to check out the SL Future Salon page, which has supplemental information as it relates to the wornderful gridverse of Second Life:



_____________________
Artemis Fate
I'm a big stupid-face.
Join date: 24 Oct 2003
Posts: 746
06-13-2005 12:23
Here's my brand, Public relations keep telling me it's not good but they can bite me.

I hadn't gotten around to reading it but I probably should, since it is interesting how many of these big SL brand names are becoming dominant factors in more than SL life.

And one thing about the "FIC" brandnames used in this paper, if you were writing a story about brand names in Real life, you write about Nike or Microsoft not Crazy bob's discount shoes.
_____________________

Ko Industries, unique clothes for the unique woman:
Ko Industries: Nexus Prime Gibson (main) store

"Be still like a mountain, and flow like a great river" -Lao Tse

"Deus Ex Machina"

"Dom Ars Est Vita Est"

"Stand tall and Shake the heavens" -Xenogears
Marcos Fonzarelli
You are not Marcos
Join date: 26 Feb 2004
Posts: 748
06-13-2005 14:15
From: Enabran Templar
Templar Botworks

BEST BRAND EVAR



ARMORD... with 50% more Shiny than Templar Botworks!
Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,601
06-13-2005 14:18
From: Marcos Fonzarelli
ARMORD... with 50% more Shiny than Templar Botworks!



And THAT everyone, was how the war began between Templar Botworks and ARMORD. A feud that lasted for years, more vicious and competitive than Pepsi and Coke.
_____________________
1 2 3