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SL prison system coming? :)

Eggy Lippmann
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09-16-2005 01:39
http://secondlife.com/vote/get_feature.php?get_id=323

This ought to be fun! I wonder if it's related to the big wall thing.
Torley Linden
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09-16-2005 01:43
Simshank Redemption puhleeze? :)
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Siggy Romulus
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09-16-2005 01:44
I'll prim up a harmonica and some smokes! I look forward to making you my prison bitch!


SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!

It'll be like OZ only in SL!
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Nolan Nash
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09-16-2005 01:46
Who will emerge as the Snake Plissken of SL?

:confused:
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Torley Linden
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09-16-2005 01:51
Who will emerge as Morgan Freeman? :D
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Seth Kanahoe
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09-16-2005 01:53
From: Nolan Nash
Who will emerge as the Snake Plissken of SL?
:confused:


Whoever they send across the wall to rescue Philip Linden from the clutches of a jive-spouting Ulrika Zugzwang and her gang.

My money is on blaze Spinnaker, but that's only because I like the idea of a bomb in his carotid artery. ;)
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Selador Cellardoor
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09-16-2005 02:31
I really don't like this idea, but it's difficult to express the reason. At the totalitarian virtual world where I spent far too much of my life, which was self-governning and utterly corrupt - along with the sudden disappearance of friends, the Orwellian Newspeak, the (alleged) rigged elections, they also had a jail, where griefers were sent for short periods. It was possible to visit the inmates and speak to them, but they were otherwise unable to leave or communicate.

I guess at heart I don't like the idea of part of the grid being used for disciplinary purposes. The jail would be a concrete reminder of the power of the governing body (whoever it might be by then) and for many people would be a concrete reminder of injustice.

Of all the things in the real world which might be created here in our second lives, surely next to famine, a jail should be at the bottom of our list of desirable features?
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09-16-2005 03:12
That among hundreds of possibly meritorious propositions that this silliness is marked acknowled and in development based on 59 votes from 8 voters with no associated Linden commentary must be a simple clerical error. Right? Please? Or perhaps a intentional bit of that ol' Linden whimsy? Please say it isn't so; please?
Julian Fate
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09-16-2005 03:38
This sounds like a great idea unless you think about it. Why spend time, effort, and dev dollahz to make what will become a griefer minigame and a badge of l33tness, especially when a suspension will do the job better with existing resources? If you have to waste time, give us another pony.
Eggy Lippmann
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09-16-2005 03:49
Because a lot of people are wrongfully banned. Liaisons sometimes are a bit more trigger happy than they should. It makes good business sense to try and keep people in SL, giving them a second chance to learn the ropes about this place, in a special place where they won't interfere with everyone else.
Bonus points if they allow mentors to visit and talk to them.
Torley Linden
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09-16-2005 03:54
From: Eggy Lippmann

Bonus points if they allow mentors to visit and talk to them.


Kind of like, uh, priests?
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Jim Stonecutter
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09-16-2005 03:56
From: Torley Torgeson
Who will emerge as Morgan Freeman? :D


I'd like to book my place as the Steve McQueen, Cooler King character from the Great Escape. One baseball and several weeks in solitary confinement. Much like RL but with more chance of tunneling out of SL. Can we all whistle he theme tune?
Julian Fate
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09-16-2005 04:05
From: Torley Torgeson
Kind of like, uh, priests?

Deleted avatar walking?
Katt Kongo
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09-16-2005 04:13
From: Torley Torgeson
Kind of like, uh, priests?


Or lawyers.
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Jim Stonecutter
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09-16-2005 04:18
From: Torley Torgeson
Kind of like, uh, priests?


Or wives and kids who remain on the outside (See: Goodfellas prison scene)
Khamon Fate
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09-16-2005 05:37
From: Introvert Petunia
That among hundreds of possibly meritorious propositions that this silliness is marked acknowled and in development based on 59 votes from 8 voters with no associated Linden commentary must be a simple clerical error. Right? Please? Or perhaps a intentional bit of that ol' Linden whimsy? Please say it isn't so; please?

And yet Proposition 33, 3rd in the queue by number of individual voters, and Proposition 89, 5th, have recieved no acknowledgement at all. You gotta wonder how large that dartboard is. Proposition 64 is marked X can't be done and A acknowledged for development. Figure that one out.

Oh sorry, the one thing I like about a prison sim is that it will keep people interested in the game. Maybe there is some possible rehab there. I won't be devoting any votes to it though. Of course, I apparently don't need to.
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Tai Tuppakaka
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09-16-2005 06:27
It's not a new idea. In Final Fantasy XI (an MMORPG), when a GM determines you should be punished you get sent to a jail cell. For a certain period of time, usually a few RL days, everytime you log in you're stuck in the cell with no way to get out.

I think it's a good idea actually. Much better punishment than account banning.
Snakeye Plisskin
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09-16-2005 06:47
Who will emerge as the Snake Plissken of SL?


Why me of course! I get to save the prez all over again! On second thought, leave me out ;).
Margaret Mfume
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09-16-2005 07:03
From: Torley Torgeson
Kind of like, uh, priests?

Sister Helen Prejean! Dead avatar walking.
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Aimee Weber
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09-16-2005 07:36
I was one of the proponents of this idea, however I am cautiously optimistic over its implementation.

It was certainly never my intention to create an actual prison as we might find in RL. I don't think it serves Linden Lab or the Second Life community to humiliate the convicted and it certainly doesn't help to create some sort of badass mystique around poor behavior. Instead, I hope this idea results in and encourages separation between the predators and their prey.

Here is how I would run it:
1. Create a few island sims (the number depends on our incarceration needs). They will allow building, scripting, and socializing with the same rules as the main grid.
2. The convicted would not be able to leave these sims until their sentence has been served.
3. The non-convicted CAN VISIT and LEAVE this grid at any time. This is important because we do not want to encourage poor behavior on the part of users who purposely TRY to get into the prison grid.
4. Given the the much milder alternative to account suspension, Lindens would be encouraged to significantly extend the separation time (giving the law abiding folks a much needed rest). For example, rather than a 1 hour suspension, perhaps a griefer would get 2 days in the prison sims.
5. Certain crimes that make a user intolorable even in the prison sims (maybe sexual harassment or perhaps CRASHING the prison sims) would continue to be punished by suspension.

Again, my aim is not so much to punish but to separate. If there is any punishment involved, it would be from being cooped up in a sim full of people that think its OK to inflict you with the same behavior you have been inflicting on other people :D
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Eggy Lippmann
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09-16-2005 07:46
I think we should imprison Amy Weebler. And Marcus Forsetti.
Euterpe Roo
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09-16-2005 07:53
From: Aimee Weber

3. The non-convicted CAN VISIT and LEAVE this grid at any time. This is important because we do not want to encourage poor behavior on the part of users who purposely TRY to get into the prison grid.


Like the SL version of a conjugal visit? :eek:

I know! Make the prision sim PG. :D
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Aimee Weber
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09-16-2005 08:20
From: Eggy Lippmann
I think we should imprison Amy Weebler. And Marcus Forsetti.




Dear Mr. or Mrs. Eggy,

There is no cell on earth than can hold the nefarious Amy Weebler!

Sincerely,
Amy Weebler
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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09-16-2005 08:23
Think of the market this will open up for prison related products! Prison sex balls! Conjugal visit trailers! This can only be a good thing for the economy.
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Kendra Bancroft
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09-16-2005 08:24
I'm making prim shivs.
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