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Margaret Mfume
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07-21-2005 08:27
From: Games Prototype
Yes actually, she does live in china as stated by Hamlet Linden in the new world posts news articles where anshe and Hamlet helped out a girl who claimed she was working in said sweatshops. as soon as I locate the article again, I will link you to it.



Hamlet needs to let Philip know then because he seems to have it confused with some European country. Maybe there's another land baron I haven't heard of.
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Margaret Mfume
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07-21-2005 08:36
From: Doc Nielsen
Hmmm, well it's something well over 1/2 - 3/4 of a sim, I can assure you of that anyway... well over one sim too. Time to buy a couple of islands maybe? Certainly cheaper than the mainland sims now.

As far as employment is concerned - more people working on technical aspects without a doubt!

No need to assure me, I didn't originate this quantifier of value. Just letting you know what was offered up in the forum as a rule of thumb since you asked.
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07-21-2005 08:37
From: Buster Peel
Nobody said EITHER that they should be "exempt from the rules" OR that they were "powerful". You are putting your own words in her mouth.

The person in question pointed out that she contributes to the community by carrying the cost of unsold land. She meant that this helps the community by making lots of choices available so that people can find whatever kind of land they want. She was saying "I am a good person". Not "I am an important person".

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From: XXXXX Chung
My Gawd! Anshe Chung picked up some piece of land not after 7 days but after 8 or 10 days! Scandal! Scandal!

You obviously have too much time and nothing better to do. But good to know some people meticulously watch my every step, day in, day out and still can't come up with anything better :-)

After more than 15000 transactions with more than 2000 happy customers, turning over more than 200 sims worth of land (or 1/4th of Second Life world) your desperate dig for drama get really funny. It is like trying impeach the American president for not using ecologically recycled toilet paper to wipe his *** ;-)


Or to put it another way: BECAUSE I do a lot of business in SL and am powerful ('like trying impeach the American president' FFS !) I shouldn't be bound by the same auction rules that bind the rest of you...

Now you might want to read it differently Buster, but that's how I read it at the time - and still do.
Here we have someone saying that because they do a lot of business in SL (and are rich and powerful - established fact) they should be and consider themselves beyond the rules. The LL auction rules, not mine, LL's. After 7 days the land belongs to the second place bidder.

If it looks like a dog, smells like a dog and walks like a dog - do you call it a cat? Nope, you call it a dog, which is what I have done...

I'm not attacking Anshe Chung - just looking very carefully at what she has written and drawing some pretty obvious conclusions. If she or anyone else is unhappy about that they should consider who wrote the words quoted above.

As for her playing 'chicken' with other bidders, or 'shilling' the auctions, I couldn't really give a rat's ass about that - anyone with the nerve and money is free to do that.

Taking advantage of LL's willingness to bend it's own rules is fine by me.

But throwing her business influence over LL in people's faces is overstepping the mark by a long chalk in my opinion.
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Doc Nielsen
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07-21-2005 08:45
http://www.latimes.com/technology/consumer/gamers/la-fi-virtual16may16,1,7449632.story?page=2&coll=la-business-games

China? :D
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Margaret Mfume
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07-21-2005 08:51


Read it again. Slower this time. Clue: starts with G.
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Dianne Mechanique
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07-21-2005 08:53
From: Doc Nielsen
Actually the thread got closed, as this one probably will be, after the person in question stated pretty bluntly that they should be exempt from the rules because they were rich, powerful and above regulation.
Something that could only lead to considerable comment of a sort that would embarrass LL...

In fact, looking at the thread carefully it seems that the person concerned deliberately dragged in comments made elsewhere, on another forum entirely, for reasons I can only speculate about. Possibly to create a smoke screen over the original point of the thread by introducing material from another forum? Who can say?
Certainly it stopped any further discussion of the original subject - mind you, both issues are of considerable public interest in my opinion.

I'm afraid gagging public debate about issues that are in the public interest is not a terribly good public relations exercise - however, what can LL do when an individual who's spending well over US$6000 a month with them gets themselves into trouble? :rolleyes:
This is a total misrepresentation of what happened.

The entire thread (both threads) were a thinly worded personal attack on Anshe Chung. Most of what was said was innuendo, but a lot was outright personal insults and attack. "Facts" were trundled out that were not facts at all. Words were put into others mouths. The whole thing was juvenile and should have been closed form the first post.

It is against the rules to personally attack someone in this forum. But the first post in the thread was just a link to another forum where the personal attack *could* take place. That is low, really low.

If someone is going to dump all over another player, I think they shouold have the guts to take the AR and do it here.

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Games Prototype
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07-21-2005 09:00
OK, I found it again. Here is the link to Hamlets story about the chinese nationalists, and Anshe Chung helping out a girl who worked in one of the game sweatshops. It talks about Anshes nationality in this matter as well.

Enjoy:

http://secondlife.blogs.com/nwn/2005/03/sweating_the_de.html
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Doc Nielsen
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07-21-2005 09:02
From: Margaret Mfume
Read it again. Slower this time. Clue: starts with G.



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Well yes.. 'China? :D ' was my feeble attempt at humour... *sigh*

If you search carefully enough elsewhere you can find more detail. Clue: starts with F
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07-21-2005 09:03
From: Games Prototype
OK, I found it again. Here is the link to Hamlets story about the chinese nationalists, and Anshe Chung helping out a girl who worked in one of the game sweatshops. It talks about Anshes nationality in this matter as well.

Enjoy:

http://secondlife.blogs.com/nwn/2005/03/sweating_the_de.html



Nationality or ethnic origin is not the same as where someone lives though...

You said 'she does live in china as stated by Hamlet Linden'

This appears not to be the case.
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Margaret Mfume
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07-21-2005 09:08
F for feeble?
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07-21-2005 09:09
From: Dianne Mechanique
If someone is going to dump all over another player, I think they shouold have the guts to take the AR and do it here.

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Well I didn't AR my little problem with the auction deadline because I was already talking to a Linden about the issue. When the rules were then bent in the other party's favour, what was I meant to do? AR a Linden? LOL!
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Dianne Mechanique
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07-21-2005 09:18
From: Doc Nielsen
Well I didn't AR my little problem with the auction deadline because I was already talking to a Linden about the issue. When the rules were then bent in the other party's favour, what was I meant to do? AR a Linden? LOL!
Well I am not sure that we are talking about the same thing now, because I was not thinking that it was you that started the thread in question, but I tend not to look at names on posts so it might have been.

I am talking about the post about Anshe "manipulating" auctions. The first post in SL forums just said "certain player" or words to that effect, undeniably just to skirt the Abuse Report. Then the link given, to the SLUniverse forum gives one a big diatribe on Anshe, names her, and makes a lot of compoletely unsupported statements, lies etc. that would get you Ar'ed of course if it was said here.

That's what I was referring to.

The kitty cat (above) posting a link to that racist inuendo thead about Anshe and China and work camps has me confused now.

Or is this just another jump on <insert name> thread now?


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Dianne Mechanique
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07-21-2005 09:23
From: Games Prototype
I was thinking...

What if Anshe Chung really isnt just a single player at all? What if she is a RL company acting like a single player? That would explain the unlimited funds dumped into SL from the Anshe account. It is a viable possibility.

These employees of Anshes could very well be RL employees at that company. There has been talk of chinese nationals working in video game sweatshops working the games for money. What if this is it? Anshe Chung does live in China, so this may very well be viable.

Could this be the new age of CN Sweatshop architecture?
Always you are posting this (IMO) quasi-racist stuff.
Never supported, just put out there like a nasty whisper in someones ear.

I sure hope you are Chinese in RL yourself, because that is the only basis I can think of that would give you the right to insinuate the things you do.

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Talen Morgan
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07-21-2005 09:23
From: Games Prototype
OK, I found it again. Here is the link to Hamlets story about the chinese nationalists, and Anshe Chung helping out a girl who worked in one of the game sweatshops. It talks about Anshes nationality in this matter as well.

Enjoy:

http://secondlife.blogs.com/nwn/2005/03/sweating_the_de.html


#1 Hamlet Linden couldn't write a decent article to save his life.

#2 He did discuss her nationality.

#3 Anshe doesn't live in China

#4 this is just another pathetic thread
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07-21-2005 09:31
From: Guni Greenstein
Great suggestion! But an even better suggestion would be to purge the trolls from these forums.
Are you saying that Doc is an alt?

He sure is a shit disturber, but I was hoping that he was a real person and not just another "baby wants attention" alt.

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Margaret Mfume
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07-21-2005 09:36
From: Dianne Mechanique
...The kitty cat (above) posting a link to that racist inuendo thead about Anshe and China and work camps has me confused now.

Or is this just another jump on <insert name> thread now?


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Now? Hasn't it been the point from its inception?

Someone give Jeska her pink pony; she deserves that and more.
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07-21-2005 09:38
From: Dianne Mechanique
Are you saying that Doc is an alt?

He sure is a shit disturber, but I was hoping that he was a real person and not just another "baby wants attention" alt.

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I just commented on his trolling and his own suggestion that those who feel annoyed should mute him. I think forum users muting trolls on an individual basis is only the second best solution. A better solution is to have the forum mods remove the trolls.
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07-21-2005 09:40
From: Margaret Mfume
F for feeble?



That's naughty Margret, go look at an atlas of Europe and look for a big city on the river Main...
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07-21-2005 09:42
From: Dianne Mechanique
Well I am not sure that we are talking about the same thing now, because I was not thinking that it was you that started the thread in question, but I tend not to look at names on posts so it might have been.

I am talking about the post about Anshe "manipulating" auctions. The first post in SL forums just said "certain player" or words to that effect, undeniably just to skirt the Abuse Report. Then the link given, to the SLUniverse forum gives one a big diatribe on Anshe, names her, and makes a lot of compoletely unsupported statements, lies etc. that would get you Ar'ed of course if it was said here.

That's what I was referring to.

The kitty cat (above) posting a link to that racist inuendo thead about Anshe and China and work camps has me confused now.

Or is this just another jump on <insert name> thread now?


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Ah, np. We just got our A**** C**** issues mixed up.
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07-21-2005 09:45
From: Dianne Mechanique
Are you saying that Doc is an alt?

He sure is a shit disturber, but I was hoping that he was a real person and not just another "baby wants attention" alt.

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Well anyone with a couple of functioning brain cells could go inworld and look up my profile, sniff around a bit and ask a few people about me... Alt indeed! :cool:

If it wasn't so funny I'd be miffed!

Oh, I'll be around in a two or three hours (if I'm not banned by then...) IM me, meet me, but don't think I'm somebody's alt, please?
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07-21-2005 09:47
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I just commented on his trolling and his own suggestion that those who feel annoyed should mute him. I think forum users muting trolls on an individual basis is only the second best solution. A better solution is to have the forum mods remove the trolls.



No, just the people you disagree with and can't discuss things civillywith I think - that's what would make you really happy, go on, admit it.
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07-21-2005 09:48
This thread is not appropriate for the Land and the Economy Forum and as such is being moved to the Off-Topic forum. Also, a not-so-gentle reminder that personal attacks directed towards one person are not permitted on the SL Forums.
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07-21-2005 09:51
From: Dianne Mechanique
Always you are posting this (IMO) quasi-racist stuff.
Never supported, just put out there like a nasty whisper in someones ear.

I sure hope you are Chinese in RL yourself, because that is the only basis I can think of that would give you the right to insinuate the things you do.

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Follow this link now! http://secondlife.blogs.com/nwn/2005/03/sweating_the_de.html
:eek: (Turn your head and cough)
There, I'm not spouting off unsupported stuff.
Now I do apologize, Anshe Chungs forum profile says she is from Europe. Doesn't really make any difference, Mine says I live on Jupiter so the location section realy doesn't mean anything. so still who is to say she doesn't live in china.

Also, this is all speculation as you would see by my start of this part of the conversation by the "WHAT IF" post. I am not making accusations, just what if statements.
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This thread is not appropriate for the Land and the Economy Forum and as such is being moved to the Off-Topic forum. Also, a not-so-gentle reminder that personal attacks directed towards one person are not permitted on the SL Forums.



*Rapidly digs deep hole, climbs in, pulling entrance after - breaths sigh of relief*
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Lianne Marten
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07-21-2005 10:02
I thought that most discussion threads got FUCed...
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