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OMG I'm public enemy #1!!!!

Richie Waves
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08-13-2005 02:56
Looooooooooooonnnnnnngggggggggggggg :(
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Smith Peel
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08-13-2005 03:36
Prok, let me enjoy my middle-aged soccer moms, damnnnn!!

I dunno, I'm never sure if he is kidding or not, and the stuff he comes up with is often hilarious-- mostly intentionally, I believe (soccer moms and all that...). I dunno, I just don't believe anyone could really take this game as seriously as some people seem to. At any rate, to each his own! It would be boring if we were all the same, and if he didn't shake things up as he tends to do.

My personal fave:
"fantastically rich and powerful second lives in the Metaverse as they call it, on the Street -- which is kind of a really long Dore/Ahern Welcome Area (ROFL)"

I laugh every time I read that line!! :D
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Jesrad Seraph
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08-13-2005 03:45
I'm not really familiar with all this "FIC" and name-calling thing so there probably are points I missed in the blog entry and this thread... but to me it read as a politics-laden criticism of "Snowcrash" (which I read and found partly boring, BTW. Joe Haldemann's "Forever War" and "Forever Peace" were much more insightful on the future of human society IMO, and the whole "knowledge virus" plot was cheesy), the kind of literary criticism found here in engaged newspapers, using big words like "racism" to tell how bad the society described in the book is, then tying it with SL somehow with empty verbiage, then connecting Hiro Pendragon to SL to the horrible Snowcrash world using more empty verbiage, then connecting Philip Rosedale to Hiro to SL to the horrible Snowcrash world through yet more empty verbiage. It sounded like one big rant trying to blame all the failures of one's own life on other people :(

I'm disappointed, I thought Prokofy was trying to bring "purely-playing" new residents what they wanted and did a decent job informing them of the land-resale market in SL (which is, I think, still the easiest way to get ripped-off out of ignorance of the subtleties of it). I never thought he was so serious about the "FIC" thing. I happen to have one Linden as a friend but haven't had any advantage over any newbie through this, and I don't expect any (though I tend to bug him first over bugs and crashed sims :D).
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Einsman Schlegel
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08-13-2005 07:20
Ah the drahama continues.

:rolleyes:
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Cienna Samiam
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08-13-2005 07:49
From: Jesrad Seraph
It sounded like one big rant trying to blame all the failures of one's own life on other people :(

I'm disappointed, I thought Prokofy was trying to bring "purely-playing" new residents what they wanted and did a decent job informing them of the land-resale market in SL (which is, I think, still the easiest way to get ripped-off out of ignorance of the subtleties of it). I never thought he was so serious about the "FIC" thing. I happen to have one Linden as a friend but haven't had any advantage over any newbie through this, and I don't expect any (though I tend to bug him first over bugs and crashed sims :D).


That's the real problem. Too few people really 'get it' that this individual IS just that serious about everything and IS fixated in a very unhealthy way.

Then we have the ones that don't really care that they are poking a sick individual with a pointy stick.

It is hard to say which is sadder, really.
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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08-13-2005 09:08
From: Hiro Pendragon
My favorite part of the whole article:
"You can then crash the 1st RL SL Confo and try to drink up all the beer and get all the babes at all the bar and parties before Flipper and Maxx get to them"


Wow! I love how he has me getting all the babes, then says something about Jennyfur being my partner... uh... doesn't quite add up.

Classic stuff, thanks for the laughs. :-)
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Catherine Cotton
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08-13-2005 11:13
The more I read the more I start to think Prok had some valid points. Tho the execution may have been flawed in some respects. I find the same flaws continue with other posters. If I didn't know any better I would think Prok the anti Crist. I find it a little more than odd that some of those who are casting stones at Prok, also break the tos on a daily basis. Are they above the same set of standards? Only time will tell. No need to respond this is a personal opinion and a statement. It is not something I wish to debate.

I don't believe anyone here is perfect, thank God.

Cat
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Jonquille Noir
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08-13-2005 11:43
From: Catherine Cotton
The more I read the more I start to think Prok had some valid points. Tho the execution may have been flawed in some respects. I find the same flaws continue with other posters. If I didn't know any better I would think Prok the anti Crist. I find it a little more than odd that some of those who are casting stones at Prok, also break the tos on a daily basis. Are they above the same set of standards? Only time will tell. No need to respond this is a personal opinion and a statement. It is not something I wish to debate.

I don't believe anyone here is perfect, thank God.

Cat


I don't think Prok is the anti-Christ. I don't think Prok is some savior of SL-kind. I think that, like most of the rest of us (putting aside the Mother Theresas and the Albert Fishes of the world) Prok falls somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately for those that come across Prok, it falls heavily on the side of those who are bitter and jealous of anyone more successful, more popular, more talented, or who have had better luck than them. Any gains, by those other than Prok, must have come from favoritism, conspiracy or something other than talent, hard work, or charm. No one that I've ever met nor experience, online or off, better fits the quote, "It is not enough that I succeed, my friends must fail."

As for the "no need to respond" bit... This is a forum, not a diary or journal. The above is also my opinion, but I realize that posting it to a group message board makes it fair game.
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08-13-2005 12:47
From: Jonquille Noir
Unfortunately for those that come across Prok, it falls heavily on the side of those who are bitter and jealous of anyone more successful, more popular, more talented, or who have had better luck than them. Any gains, by those other than Prok, must have come from favoritism, conspiracy or something other than talent, hard work, or charm.

It is beyond me why so many people think this criticism of the system has to be due to jealousy.

I've never heard the word "jealousy" bandied about so much as I have in these forums.

I was even accused of being jealous once merely because I saw some people posting their Tiny builds and so I posted mine, too. It was like, "We can post ours, but if you post yours, it has to be because you're jealous."

And that attitude more or less proves Prok's entire point about the fierce determination of some of those currently enjoying the most power and exposure to maintain their hold on that monopoly. To, in essence, pwnz the game.

If you dare criticize the Lindens on these boards - as I did - for using the same old faces for everything, as if there were still only a few hundred people in the game, and not pushing forty thousand, you will likely be dismissed as being jealous right off the bat. (Which is insulting, really - it assumes you can't do anything, or if you do, it's the same as telling everyone your work sucks.)

The latest person to notice this ridiculous and unfair p.r. laxity on the part of the Lindens, a few threads ago, was at least assured that of course HE wasn't speaking from jealousy - apparently because he is more liked or known or something. Then people went on to figure out why else his perception must be wrong.

This indicates that the first consideration and the first line of defense is always that a person must, of course, be jealous, to notice inequality and suggest more equal opportunity for everyone.

But just as jealousy had nothing to do with it in that guy's case, it has nothing to do with it in Prok's case, or in mine.

Thinking criticism must be motivated by jealousy reflects such faulty and subjectively emotional reasoning I can't believe it. I figure it must be a failure of broad and higher education that causes people to promote such a ludicrous concept.

All appearances of favoritism must be ended in a game that hopes to garner a broader subscription base. That's all there is to it, and I think the Lindens understand that, despite the fervent fans here claiming (ludicrously) that they are right to dip into the same small known-quantity player base all the time, since no one else in this whole huge game merits any showcasing.

You might as well tell NBC there's no need to ever change their scheduling; that all those other producers and actors are just jealous; and that those few programs are just naturally the best - and ONLY - choices ever needed.

This goes for everything: Profiles on the web pages, pictures on the web pages, contracts for outside companys' work, builds in the game, work groups - you name it. I dare you to find a Linden who will disagree with me on this.

coco
Jonquille Noir
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08-13-2005 12:59
From: Cocoanut Koala
It is beyond me why so many people think this criticism of the system has to be due to jealousy.


Because more often than not, it was not the system Prok was talking about, it was individuals who had earned reputations for themselves in SL. And again, more often than not, Prok was putting them down, or trying to dismiss their accomplishments by claiming favoritism or attributing them to some mythical free ride they got from the Lindens.

Had Prok's tirades not been born of jealousy and bitterness, they would have simply stated facts or opinions on the system without also having to diminish other peoples' accomplishments and flinging around accusations. But they never were like that. No point could be made without a derogitory remark made about someone who had earned some success. That's jealousy.
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08-13-2005 13:05
I can see as how it appeared that way. Because Prok used people for examples, didn't like a bunch of them, and lacked diplomacy. However, I don't believe jealousy has ever had anything to do with anything Prok has ever said or advocated. And I think I probably know him as well or better (and for longer) than anyone here.

So it's easy to see why people feel he is that way. I understand that, and I understand the reaction to that. I'm just telling you from my knowledge, he absolutely is not jealous of anyone. I will also add that for a fact, I am not.

coco
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08-13-2005 13:08
I think we should hear Prok weigh in on this one!
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Baba Yamamoto
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08-13-2005 13:13
I'm offended... and I don't even LIKE Hiro heh
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Jonquille Noir
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08-13-2005 13:14
From: Cocoanut Koala
I can see as how it appeared that way. Because Prok used people for examples, didn't like a bunch of them, and lacked diplomacy. However, I don't believe jealousy has ever had anything to do with anything Prok has ever said or advocated. And I think I probably know him as well or better (and for longer) than anyone here.

So it's easy to see why people feel he is that way. I understand that, and I understand the reaction to that. I'm just telling you from my knowledge, he absolutely is not jealous of anyone. I will also add that for a fact, I am not.

coco


1 post ago it was "beyond you" and now it's "easy to see." Are you sure? About either of those? Or were you just hoping I would ignore the point of Prok's attacks being against people, and not against the system?

I already know your feelings about Prok. It's your friend, and you'll defend it regardless of what it does. Anyone who speaks out against it must be wrong, wrong, wrong, even if they aren't. You more than proved blindness and bias to me long ago, and still do today, when you give your friend carte blanch to be as nasty as the ToS will allow (and then some, enough to get it banned) and then turn around and chide and scold everyone else for reacting with equal nastiness. Nastiness is either acceptable or it isn't. I don't give my buddies a pass to be shitheads just because I've known them for a while. So no offense, Cocoa, but you are the second to last person I would ever go to for an honest opinion about Prok. Prok being the absolute last.

I've never claimed you were jealous of anything. Perhaps you have me confused with another poster?
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Robin Linden
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08-13-2005 18:28
OK, enough piling on someone who can't be here to defend himself. If you'd like to discuss Prokofy's ideas with him, please do so in-world, or perhaps comment on his blog.
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