The Supernatural in SL
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Eanya Dalek
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07-22-2005 14:37
yay coast to coast! 
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Rose Karuna
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07-22-2005 14:51
From: Andurant Proudfoot I don't know about SL supernatural stuff, but...
One of my SL ex's, I SWEAR may have been possessed. She'd go from sweet, charming, lovable, sexy, delightful woman to a raging sulfer-spewing, wild-eyed bag of hate, loathing, and uncontrollable rage in a matter of seconds! And then, back again!
or, then again.. maybe she just didn't like my after shave....
or, then again.. she was female, so maybe that's normal.....
<grins> On post menopasual days like that I play the animation that makes my AV head spin around and then teleport straight to Jesse and shoot someone that looks like they need it. God I love SL. 
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Toast Bard
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07-22-2005 14:54
THANK YOU, AIMEE WEBER. I HAD TO STOP READING THIS THREAD BECAUSE SUDDENLY THINGS STARTED CREAKING. EVEN MY PET HAMSTERS ARE A LITTLE ON EDGE. AND EMOTIONALLY THEY'RE LIKE ROCKS. Also... one night I was lying in bed, just about to fall asleep (you know the eyes half closed partially drooling on yourself thing) and I-swear-to-Kris I heard the sl typing noise. I couldn't tell what was worse, playing sl so much that I hallucinate or having a ghost mock me because I play sl so much. 
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Cybin Monde
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interesting topic
07-22-2005 15:13
this is something i've contemplated for awhile now.. and i'm with the "if i could d/l my self into [my avatar] before i die (or after), then i would do it without question". ..but could i haunt the forums?  also, i built a 'spirit board' awhile back.. had Khamon Fate hanging out with me on the planchette at one point. yes, on it. and i call it a 'spirit board' because it's not traditional, i created the design myself. ..and it worked. as far as SL being able to be haunted, i wouldn't say definitely yes, but i wouldn't dismiss it easily either. with electronics being a heavily used medium for contact, it makes logical sense that it could happen in some form or another. (speaking of good timing, i just recently joined the TAPS (The Atlantic Paranormal Society) message boards. my first posts were helping to decipher some EVPs and to debunk the "manifesting figure" from the Eastern State Penitentiary video.)
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Hikaru Yamamoto
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07-22-2005 15:38
Does the other side have a fast connection speed? 
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Bob Bravo
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07-22-2005 15:45
The NHL has been resurrected! Wait, that 's FL I believe.
Aimee, pls put spell on ESPN/ESPN2 and MAKE them carry hockey again.
Then, your supernatural powers will be duly rewarded.
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Mina Welesa
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07-22-2005 16:00
From: Aimee Weber For those who believe in the supernatural (the rest of you can sit this one out  )… Do you believe the supernatural can exist inside of Second Life? Some examples: Could a sim ever be haunted by ghosts (And I am not talking about SL rendering bugs). Could someone’s build be haunted?
If you believe that Ouija Boards work, could they work in Second Life?
Would an in-game séance ever work? I would love to hear your opinions. I have no idea, but if I die at my keyboard I intend to find out! 
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Roseann Flora
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07-22-2005 16:21
From: Aimee Weber For those who believe in the supernatural (the rest of you can sit this one out  )… Do you believe the supernatural can exist inside of Second Life? Some examples: Could a sim ever be haunted by ghosts (And I am not talking about SL rendering bugs). Could someone’s build be haunted?
If you believe that Ouija Boards work, could they work in Second Life?
Would an in-game séance ever work? I would love to hear your opinions. Funny I was just talking about this with a friend in DarkWood today. Yes I think some sims have ghost maybe they are bugs but I there use to be allot of strange goings on near the old DarkWood graveyard seamed like al the bug/ghost where right near the old graveyard and when it went away so did all the strange ghost/bugs .. 
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Alan Edison
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07-22-2005 16:25
i think my comps haunted, my sl crashes ALLLL the time, and only sl crashes :/
but seriously...
ive heard that entities of people who have died and not passed over totally still linger in our world, replaying specific points in their lives that they cant let go of. It has been said that 'ghosts' manefest in like a electron kinda way, as orbs (im talking abuot in real life) an ord being like a blob of static that has formed, the energy from the 'ghost' that it is using to try manefest itself.
if it is true that 'ghosts' r kinda like electrons, then there is no reason why they couldnt get into electrical goods, or even the internet, why not? like i could die tomorow and if i still had the kinda ideas and mindset, if i had 24 hours to do stuff, going on the net would be one of the things id think would be a cool thing to do. or like right a letter in msword and save it.
people receive fonecalls from dead people all the time, ghosts can fuck about with electrical stuff too, like turning it on or off or wotever.
im a firm believe in ghosts and 'life out there' as i have had A LOT of weird things happen me in rl.
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Alan Edison
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07-22-2005 16:29
From: CrystalShard Foo A SecondLife parcel cant be actually haunted because its just a 3D representation of a chunk of data.
If anything, if a ghost decide to haunt anything in SecondLife, it will be able to do alot more then just haunt the parcel - since everything is equaly a bunch of data and electronic signals.
So i'd be looking for some even more obscure and weird mischief. but... if that av had died in rl and was haunting sl, surely they would continue to love their plot of land and possible, hang out there more, causeing it to be haunted?
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Enabran Templar
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07-22-2005 16:49
From: Ushuaia Tokugawa East of the Rockies, you're on the air ... Caller: Hi, Art, this is Milt on WABC. Art: Ah, good ol' WABC. Do you have a Second Life haunting story for us, Milt? Caller: Well, sort of. I'd just bought an escort, you see, and I had a good sixty minutes to use her and such.. Art: You mean a virtual sex worker? Caller: Well, right. So, sixty minutes on the clock. So she gets on a pose ball, I get on a pose ball. Right after I get on the poseball, I look up and see that 55 minutes have gone by! Art: What do you think happened there? Caller: Well, I think my avatar got abducted by aliens, Art! I don't know how else to explain it. Art: ... Could be. Or, it could be that... time flies when you're having fun! (Art laughs with evil mirth as a Crystal Gale song comes up and the show goes to break)
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Forseti Svarog
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07-22-2005 16:57
well given that we don't know anything about either the supernatural or religion (no offense, but it's called a leap of faith simply because we can't KNOW through logic and proof), i don't see how one could possibly answer this question either yes or no now, back to your regularly scheduled Bewitched 
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Sugar Street
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07-27-2005 08:22
I once owned a Commodore 64 - that's haunting enough
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Katja Marlowe
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07-27-2005 13:38
From: Cristiano Midnight I know there are all kinds of naysayers on the supernatural - I don't feel the need to convince anyone - you don't have to believe in something for it to still be true. I know what I have experienced in my life so far, and I am not particularly spiritual or religious at all, yet I still believe in the supernatural based on experience.
It is a really interesting question, Aimee. Although I didn't see the movie, wasn't something similar in concept the basis for the movie Fear.com? Ghosts in cyberspace is an intriguing thought. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. Great, now you have just spooked me out - I won't be able to work alone in Mavericks anymore. Actually, and maybe this is touched on later in the thread that I just haven't read yet! cause I like to jump on the wagon before I see where it's been already. I know that "reading" people (i.e. tarot, intuition) is possible. I don't see why channeling wouldn't be possible as well. In fact, in some ways, the type medium might make it easier for the channeled to communicate. I don't know about ouija boards, and I have no clue about a haunted sim...  kat
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Frostie Flora
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07-27-2005 13:45
From: Inanna Assia look at this, then look at large Prim.... $5,000L please I saw buddy jesus,  Do you accept SLisa or Secastercard?
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Ananda Sandgrain
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07-27-2005 14:01
From: Forseti Svarog well given that we don't know anything about either the supernatural or religion (no offense, but it's called a leap of faith simply because we can't KNOW through logic and proof), i don't see how one could possibly answer this question either yes or no now, back to your regularly scheduled Bewitched  Why is it that the wisdom of not-knowing keeps getting dropped in favor of the othodoxy that one cannot or will never know? Skeptical observation is one thing, but burying one's head in the sand and insisting on utter faithlessness is no better than insisting on blind faith. ... Seance time Sis, are you still out there? I know it's been 4,000 years. I did say I'd come back but I don't know how anymore.  ...
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Cindy Claveau
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07-27-2005 14:18
From: Alan Edison if it is true that 'ghosts' r kinda like electrons If they were, then they'd be detectable by normal equipment. But they're not.
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Chip Midnight
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07-27-2005 14:30
From: Ananda Sandgrain Why is it that the wisdom of not-knowing keeps getting dropped in favor of the othodoxy that one cannot or will never know? Skeptical observation is one thing, but burying one's head in the sand and insisting on utter faithlessness is no better than insisting on blind faith. I think that's a bit of an overstatement, Ananda. Even atheists don't make the blanket statement that we can never know. It's like a math problem with many variables. All we can do is plug in data that we have, and only quantifiable data counts. At the moment the answer comes out nil. That doesn't negate additional discovery, new variables, and new data somewhere down the road that could potentially change the outcome. I prefer to call it "critical thinking" rather than faithlessness. 
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Ananda Sandgrain
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07-27-2005 14:33
I was responding to what I quoted actually, but thanks for the heads up.  And a bit to my dad who lately has been insisting to me everytime we talk that some things are totally unknowable and that's the way it should be. Gets on my nerves.  Edit: To put this another way, I find it just as arrogant for someone to insist that things like God, spirituality, knowledge of what comes after death etc. is impossible; as it is for someone to insist that they do exist without proof.
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Cindy Claveau
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07-27-2005 14:43
From: Ananda Sandgrain I was responding to what I quoted actually, but thanks for the heads up.  And a bit to my dad who lately has been insisting to me everytime we talk that some things are totally unknowable and that's the way it should be. Gets on my nerves. Edit: To put this another way, I find it just as arrogant for someone to insist that things like God, spirituality, knowledge of what comes after death etc. is impossible; as it is for someone to insist that they do exist without proof. True, Ananda, which still leaves us (as inquisitive animals) plenty of room to inquire and seek. I've always respected the work of Dr. Susan Blackmore, noted paranormal researcher, who has said that as much as she's wanted it all to be true, she has never found anything to convince her that paranormal phenomenon were real. She does, however, believe strongly in perceptual illusions. "Just as "visual illusions" are the price we have to pay for a perceptual system that does very well in a confusing world, cognitive illusions may be the price we pay for the way our brains look for connections in chance and probability."
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Chip Midnight
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07-27-2005 14:52
From: Ananda Sandgrain And a bit to my dad who lately has been insisting to me everytime we talk that some things are totally unknowable and that's the way it should be. Gets on my nerves. The old "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" argument, hehe.
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Foulcault Mechanique
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07-27-2005 15:07
Do I think Sl could be haunted, Yes. Is it haunted, Maybe. Can supernatural communication be done via SL, Yes. Can Ouija board work, Kinda (working in itself in teh true function would PROVE SL haunted. Otherwise it's just a scripted item) Now please don't ask for explaniations unless you want a long talk so I can make sure everyone is up to date. One idea though for everyone to look up. Electrokinesis (might have another "scientific" term) The ability to control electric with the mind. Now discuss amoung yourselves...I'm gonna go drink...I'll need it.
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Cybin Monde
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one more time, sam..
07-27-2005 22:52
as i've mentioned earlier.. i've already successfully used a ouija board type of device within SL. if anyone is interested in seeing it in operation, IM me in-world and i'd be happy to set it up for you to use.
it takes some coordination to get the feel of using the mouse to move the planchette without actually moving it yourself. it works much better if you have a tablet and can employ the use of a stylus.
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