In case you missed LL's key list publication policy

A small part of me just died

Cienna - awww! What cute puppies!

Robin (Sojourner) Wood
http://www.robinwood.com

It's ok, Eboni. Realise, faced with the universe of possible outcomes, even a kook will try to cover their butts. Of course, flattery after the fact doesn't change much does it?

I'm getting tired of your vendetta, Cienna.

coco

Yes, I can tell by the way you follow me around and read everything I write how tired of it you are, tootz. Feel free to put me on ignore when you mean it.

This kook has brought this on themselves. Personally, I am enjoying every moment of the karma... especially since the 'eureka moment' has arrived at Linden Labs and people in general are beginning to understand what a poisonous presence this kook has become in these forums.

But kindly stop trying to derail things. This post is about Cris correcting the misinformation the kook set out here to try and smear his reputation as a business professional and the reputation and credibility of his business.

Or have you conveniently forgotten?

Cienna,

While I appreciate the sentiment, this thread has nothing to do with Prokofy's statements about my site. It has to do with the furor over the publication of lists of avatar keys. I was just bringing forward the answer to my question from the Hotline Forum, since many people have weighed in on this issue and wondered what LL's policies were regarding keys.

Prokofy,

Thank you for your post. My sentiments about you have always been fairly close - I disagree with you wildly on a lot of things, and disapprove of some of what you have done. I have no ill will towards you in spite of recent events.

Cienna, have you ever been in a court of law when a sentence is meted out? Especially in a big, high-profile case? The judge always admonishes everyone in advance, before she reads out the sentence, to maintain order in the court and not clap or whistle or hoot or holler. This is especially important for the plaintiff's relatives, who may be waiting in the wings with a keen sense of vengeance. She tries to make justice appear a neutral and fair matter in a democratic society, not an occasion for gloating and smugness. After all justice is for all, reinforces fairness for all, and isn't about harnessing the executive branch of federal government by one group in society to kill off another.

If someone got some kind of "karma" (I didn't realize the Lindens ran a consciousness-raising guru farm in India, I thought it was a game company in California but...)...welll...can you be sure that same kind of karma won't come to any one of us and bite us in the ass some day?

And...if one of our number has fallen behind or gone astray, shall we not be like the woman who, having lost one coin from her purse, rises early in the morn, and with a candelight, and with the light of the first dawn, searches everywhere for her coin til she finds it?



It seems to me Prokofy made statements in good faith about generic concerns having to do with IP numbers and with keys and with all manner of trackings and footprints in the electronic cyberspace. These continue to be relevant and generic issues. Let's try to look at them without such emotionality that people have to be called names like "kook" or that smears are made about others ostensibly making "smears".

Why do you refer to yourself in the third person?

Prokofy's forum profile page does say "multiple personalities."

Random Unsung is Prokofy Neva's alt. I find the saccharine attempt at damage control and the praise to one's own self in the third person just plain kooky. Especially, considering that Random was outed as a confirmed alt weeks ago.

It's not done yet though. This post will now be reported as abuse, as I'm linking alts, something which is not specifically mentioned in the ToS or CS but has proven exploitable in the past. I guess that's part of the game though. Baiting folks with obvious alts and then filing abuse reports with the Lindens. I assume, the only thing more satisfying then torturing souls in the forum is making the forum moderators dance like puppets.

Of course, the very fact that I vocalized it might in fact stop it from occurring. It's almost as if I traveled back in time and changed the future. I'm getting dizzy.

~Ulrika~

We are very amused.

Ok, although this thread has taken a major detour through the Twilight Zone, please don't let it be derailed, please.

yes, this thread is dangerously close to being closed...
please stay on topic , thanks !

You lose. Get over it. Thanks, and have a nice day!

Ok, so LL allows lists of any in-game info that is easily obtainable. They really don't care what people do with them, as long as they don't spam the SL network or in-world residents. Many voices in the community seem to indicate any concern about this at all is hysteria and paranoia. Few seem to understand how irresponsible this is.

I have validated the following. Yes, I actually put the time into looking into these techniques and writing the code, in C#.Net. It took me about an hour to actual get up and running. I did not spam any of you (though I certainly could have, and there isn't a thing LL could do about it).

You take those user names. Lop off the last name, and send an email using that first name to every email service you can think of. Out of 40,000 names, you will hit several hundred. I see which ones don't fail to send, and now I have a validated list of emails for my spamming.

I didn't think up of this. I just started digging into how spammers do their thing.

I could do this all day and LL would never catch me, and in fact, really can't prevent me from doing it. They could even ban me and I could still do it because I now know where these lists are, and I know that the publishers are taking pains to ensure the info is valid.

These lists put spammers in business. And since LL allows it, so does LL.

Don't forget, your "1st Life" profile is easy to obtain, easier in fact than a key. By the definition of "public info" frequently used by LL, that info is available for list building.

So, if you wish to maintain anonymity within SL, you better clear that profile, change your name to something that is not tied in any way to any RL email account or online identity, and keep your guard up, or you WILL get spammed.

Now that LL endorses these lists, or at least demonstrates indifference, it is inevitable. And when it does, the response will be, "how is LL to blame for that partcular method of spamming".

Because, like anybody else that permits it, they allow you to publish the info, which enables the practice. Getting the info is the hard part. Being creative about using it is easy. That's why.

Way to go LL. If Robin's post is in fact reworded as official policy, count on seeing a few account cancellations soon. Thanks for the 1k LL though for the referrals.

Haw haw.

Ahh Ulrika, you lowlife I do sincerely hope you come to some fiscal or legal harm for this eventually, and if there is anything I can do to help that along without getting into trouble or by simply using your site as designed, count on me doing it.

You may take comfort in knowing that there is somebody out in the world that feels violated by your practice.

YOU have seriously impacted my enjoyment of this game by forcing this on me against my will. YOU. Specifically. It makes me sick to log in knowing that LL is letting you get away with this.

If I receive one spam mail of any kind, count on me telling LL to put their promise to ban anybody involved into action. However, I'm sure that will be just as effective as the rest of their pathetic efforts to curb griefing.

Also, your provider has not responded. Yet.

Hypothetically speaking, lets say a disgruntled, ex-SL'er deliberately distributed keys to spammers, to "force" the problem into the limelight. And we all began to get barraged with random spam.

In that kind of situation, couldn't LL simply regen all of our keys, and invalidate the old ones? Would that be a realistic solution of it got out of hand?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing on the issue of proliferation of keys - just curious what the inevitable mitigation plan would be

Note: This post was a one-word personal attack. It was removed by Jesse and I received an informal warning by email. I want to apologize to Tcoz for insulting him. Further, I would like to state publically, that I accept responsibility for future posts which incite others to break the CS or ToS.

Given the recent events in the forums, I'm a little saddened that I fell immediately back into the same old pattern. No more of that for me.

~Ulrika~

Wouldn't help.

Because Ulrika would just collect them all over again. Jeezus spammers should be paying her.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they are, at all.

And you, Ulrika, are a total ...It would appear my only solace is in hoping that one day this all blows up in your face.

I'm more worried about a certain current, disgruntled SL'er who has already admited to having written code.

~Ulrika~

There's nothing at all illegal about that code, and the process is extremely straightforward. In fact, I'm just taking a page from your book. Parsing out a text file and sending emails is really all there is to it. And the SL network isn't involved in any way. Were I to actually proceed full blown (and here is a reminder that I have in no way done so), LL would be powerless to prove it was me.

These are not threats of any kind. It was extremely simple to go on the web, look for typical list building spam practices, and dupe them using your data. Nothin' to it.

In fact, you did the hard part...getting the collected and validated data out of the closed community and onto the web.

You are 100% the enabler. And I'm sure the world is happier knowing that any fool with computing 102 under their belt could pull this off with any web technology at all.

Well done you minge.

How is a shotgun blast of emails based on SL avatar first names any different than doing it based on any other list of people's names? Since many people use 'generic' first names, I would guess that the hitrate of SL residents on the list is only going to be marginally higher than if you took a list of baby names and used that. Plus if you just want avatar names you can get those so much more easily from the forum's memberlist. Not only is it a larger target (everyone who ever joined SL) it is complete.

The only spam that a key opens the door to is IM/object spam, via in-world mechanisms, which will necissarily have an account which can be disabled.