Abuse pictures that shame British Army
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Willow Zander
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01-20-2005 05:34
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David Cartier
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01-20-2005 06:22
From: Kendra Bancroft Blame the troops??? Geeeez Lecktor --that's pretty disgusting.
How about blaming the intelligence officers in charge and acting under directions provided by Gonzales legal contortions of the Geneva Conventions, as authorized by Rumsfeld, Rice, Bush et al.
Thinking the system wide levels of abuse throughout Iraq, Afghanistan and Gitmo is the result of "bad apples" is naive in the extreme.
I for one support our troops and feel for the horrible place this fascist administration has placed them in. You don't blame the troops, you blame the officers placed above them for giving them illegal orders. That has not been done, to any extent; the Army is really great at covering commissioned ass. Anytime people are in a situation where they are deprived of sleep, scared and unsure of whom they can trust, bad things happen rather naturally. I'm rather surprised that worse hasn't happened, I saw things in Somalia that would honestly make you puke, but on the whole, the people who were really mistreating prisoners were caught by others who could have ignored what was going on, rather than blow the whistle, so the system does work, eventually. |
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Charlotte Gillespie
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01-20-2005 06:34
I am also most unimpressed at the tone of this thread's initial post.
I am British.
I am NOT the British Army, nor am I a "self-righteous US basher".
Congratulations - in grouping all those who deplore the actions of the United States and its allies in Iraq together with those who support this kind of prisoner mistreatment, you have successfully turned logic on its head.
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Kris Ritter
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01-20-2005 06:40
From: Charlotte Gillespie I am also most unimpressed at the tone of this thread's initial post.
I am British.
I am NOT the British Army, nor am I a "self-righteous US basher".
Congratulations - in grouping all those who deplore the actions of the United States and its allies in Iraq together with those who support this kind of prisoner mistreatment, you have successfully turned logic on its head. Don't worry, Charlotte. You're either with them or you're with the enemy. Any enemy, too. Doesn't matter. Like the assertion in the other thread that if you're singularly unimpressed with the war or not offended by a prim version of the twin towers with a boat stuck in the sides or you're not 100% ready to suck Bush's dick that you must in fact be a Saddam loving Taliban supporting terrorist. These extremist asshats are best ignored. |
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Heather Nyak
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01-20-2005 07:22
Do we know these are even true yet? Something like this happened a while ago and it turned out it was all fake to make the war look bad
BTW im British an im still proud to be British
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Selador Cellardoor
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01-20-2005 11:02
David, <<Anytime people are in a situation where they are deprived of sleep, scared and unsure of whom they can trust, bad things happen rather naturally. I'm rather surprised that worse hasn't happened,>> A soldier should never be afraid to refuse to obey an illegal order. If he does so it shows either that he has been badly trained, or that he is a bad soldier. |
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Isis Becquerel
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01-20-2005 11:13
Or that he has been so brainwashed as to believe that those he tortures are not human but are only a manifestation of the word EVIL that seems to be bandied about so much nowadays.
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Sherrianne Hailey
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07-04-2005 03:12
So does each soldier get to make their own determination of what is legal is illegal?
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Eggy Lippmann
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07-04-2005 03:54
Why are you ressurecting such an ancient post? Torture is never legal. Article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment". The "United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment"  UNCAT) defines torture in its article 1 as: "Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity." And in article 2: "1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction. 2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political in stability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture. 3. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture." The Geneva Convention also states in its article 17: "No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind.". |
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Kris Ritter
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07-04-2005 03:56
From: Eggy Lippmann Why are you ressurecting such an ancient post? Why are you answering it in detail? Let the thread die already! Let them ALL die! Otherwise I'll start torturing all of you. And it'll be far less humane than anything those soldiers could dream up. |
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Garoad Kuroda
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07-04-2005 06:40
Does reading this qualify as torture?
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David Cartier
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07-04-2005 08:39
From: Eggy Lippmann "1. Each State Party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.
2. No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political in stability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
3. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture."
The Geneva Convention also states in its article 17:
"No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind.". Now try telling that to the Servico de Informacoes e Seguranca and Servico de Informacoes Estrategicas de Defesa. |
