Abuse pictures that shame British Army

For all the self-righteous US-bashers outthere.... play with this for a while.

Abuse pictures that shame British Army

yannow, its so not worth the suspension I would get if I hadn't have edited my reply to this fucking stupid post *sigh*

I want to point out that I neither entitled that link as something derogatory nor made any statement about the content of the article.

I merely used the article's own title as the link text.

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For those who dislike The Scotsman as a news source...
subtitled:Iraq images being seen as 'Britain's Abu Ghraib'

Pardon, but I don't understand how this is relevant in any way. I've always felt that BOTH Blair and Bush handled the situation poorly. The fact that our strongest ally in this war also has no respect for its fellow humankind doesn't really do anything to bolster the war effort. It just shows that the coalition is even more corrupt than ever before.

Hoo boy, there goes Britain's image.


Well, what can you expect when the PM is Bush's bitch. I still get a kick out of this vid.

http://www.laserp.com/fun_stuff/bush_blair.htm

Oh yes. Because each one of us is directly responsible for a few idiot soldiers actions.

If anybody imagines that neither American nor British soldiers are capable of this kind of abuse, then in my opinion they are a fool.

This is why war is an activity devoid of honour.

Exactly, just like Pres. Bush and Sec Def Rummy were called to task for the asshat actions of a few idiot soldiers. Both of these stories make me shake my head at the sensationalism and public outcry. Quite amusing.

Pretty disgusting, isn't it Korg? The big difference I see is that those of us in the U.S. have little to no recourse for something the British have done, whereas we have more (still limited, unfortunately) recourse for what our own troops have done.

Blame the troops??? Geeeez Lecktor --that's pretty disgusting.

How about blaming the intelligence officers in charge and acting under directions provided by Gonzales legal contortions of the Geneva Conventions, as authorized by Rumsfeld, Rice, Bush et al.

Thinking the system wide levels of abuse throughout Iraq, Afghanistan and Gitmo is the result of "bad apples" is naive in the extreme.

I for one support our troops and feel for the horrible place this fascist administration has placed them in.

Nice twist of my words. The troops being court martialed in the Abu Ghraib incident deserve the blame they are getting. These, "I was ordered to do that" defenses are weak at best. There is an unwritten rule in the military that you can and should refuse an un-lawful order. Should more higher level folks be called on the rug for this ? You betcha !! But this constant haranguing the upper echelon as being solely and ultimately responsible is ridiculous at best.

And that is an illustration of where you repeatedly go off track in your continual rants against Bush.

This is not about BUSH. It is not about the US or Britain.

There are people - around the world - who will act in ways that other people find despicable. Those who are political leaders can only bear so much responsibilility. I believe that very, very, very (nead I add another very?) few national leaders are compleely altruistic or demogigic at heart. They routinely act on and from limited amounts of information and "bear responsibility" for the actions of those below them "acting in their names" --- though such "orders" might never, ever have been given or approved of by the leaders themselves.

Quit the ranting and think for a minute. If you can't do that, then ask yourself, how can you possibly justify Clinton authorizing a tomhawk strike against Afghanistan but not authorizing a ground invasion of the former Yugolsavia to save the ethnic Albanians from being slaughtered by Milosevic?

There are choices... and there are choices. I am glad you are in no position to make any of those choices for me... even more glad that I am not in the position to make them for you/the entire US.

The Bush Administration has made torture legal. What is a soldier to do? Damned if he obeys --Damned if he doesn't. The problem at Abu Ghraib wasn't that there were bad apples acting illegally. The problem is the US Gov't thinks it found a loophole.

The lot of them should (and eventually must) be tried as War Criminals.

Sorry if I insist on holding America to a higher standard then you.

Once again I concede Kendra due to a desire to not engage in further political tirades.
*backs away from the roaring pyre*

No one can hold "America" to any "standard" -- I assume of "behavior" - as America does not exist as an individual entity. America is comprised of something like 290 million INDIVIDUALS who act INDIVIDUALLY. A few, a very few, may have their actions viewed as representing the belief systems, values and desires of the many... but any intelligent human being would figure out that that is really not the case... all claims to democratically elected officials doing so to the contrary.

If you believe what you have posted (above) then you re doomed to forever be unhappy and dissatisfied - at least as long as you live. Can't help you in that case. Life's a bitch, huh?

OTOH, I can point out that a change in perspective can allow you to not be so disappointed when others, who you obviously have no understanding of nor control over, continually disappoint you by not only being unaware of your "standards" for their behavior, but if they do know of them, a deliberate disavowal of any requirement to live according to them.

True, Korg, but as Americans we can require our military (who are representative of all of America when engaged with others) to abide by a certain level of behavior. The activities that took place at Abu Ghraib stirred Americans into a lovely mix of disgust and shame, and now we're looking to our leaders to implement policy changes to ensure this doesn't happen again.

I will clarify since you are being purposely obtuse.

I expect MORE from MY government.

Why don't we keep this thread where it points.. at somewhere else than at the US.

You have 860000000000 other threads to bash and engage in anti-US arguments. What are you trying to gain by bringing that here?

You will always be disappointed then. Now... go troll elsewhere please. This thread is not about you and you expectations of US behavior.

Fine let us examine your point then. Leave the US alone --other people are also bad.
Pure drivel.

Nope. Again you provide YOUR interpretation of something as THE ONLY interpretation.

And that is the essence of bias and the starting point for prejudice.

So what's your point? You have four threads going indicating that other governments are just as bad or worse than our own..........and so your point is?

It is not my obligation to educate you out of your ignorance. Figure it out.

MoD/British court martial handout

I was commenting on your comment about noone being able to hold America to any standard. So, if you want to point the finger at anyone for pulling the thread in 'that' direction, go stand in front of the mirror.

Jeez Korg, take a friggin chill pill.