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pandastrong Fairplay
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08-14-2005 14:21
Well, I was replying to Malachi in another thread about how he was banned from the forums for a week for calling someone a jerk. Before I hit reply, the thread was locked.

Please note, that I am not continuing the theme of "attacking someone who cannot be here to defend him/herself". I am continuing a different theme that was addressed in that thread, that does not violate forum TOS as far as I know.

This thread is not meant to plead your case in front of LL.

Instead, you can send an email to their abuse department, never get a response, and just sit around and stew until it is time for Tringo.

Let's make this an Arsenio Hall type of "Things that make you go hmmmm" thread. Man that guy was funny.

So here is what I was replying with in that last thread, when Cris was asking Mal if he really thought that that was the reason for his week long ban.

From: pandastrong the griefer


I absolutely believe it. A phony AR was filed against me recently, with a Linden in-world (who was present at the time of the situation) being dumbfounded on how it was taken seriously. Regardless, I received a warning, and LL has yet to get back to me.

The system is so fucked up. The warning told me that I had used scripted weapons, as per a "careful" server log review. It simply didn't happen, and that silly server must have phonied up logs in its vendetta against me.

The Linden in-world said that I needed to send an email to LL, and to tell them to ask her about the situation to clear me. Needless to say, I think that email was more of a writing exercise, as it has not nor will it be answered.

The only other disciplinary action I received was forum-based. A brand new Linden stepped into forum moderation, and like a week later I get a warning. I asked it what it was for, and he said, "that I had called someone an 'asshole' or said 'fuck you' or something". When I told him that he was mistaken, and that I would like to see a quote, he responded with "I already deleted it, but I am pretty sure you said it".

So much for my FIC connections (or common sense for that matter)!
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~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media



"That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline."

~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
April Firefly
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08-14-2005 14:29
From what I've seen, it's never as "black and white" as the banned person makes it out to be.

I took up someone's defense once that they were banned jus for "insert simple reason here", only to find out it was for much more.

The Lindens are people too. They look at facts and sometimes react differently at different circumstances. But I think they tend to err on the side of caution.

I can't count the number of times when someone says I only did "this" and got banned but someone else did "that" and they didn't get banned. Of course the person doing "that" has a different story to tell and probably feels that the person who did "this" didn't get punished enough.

Just one more comment about linking bans in the forum to in world bans. I was telling a friend about the situation and he said, it's like suspending someone from school. But with the forums and in world being like the classroom and playground. If someone does something wrong in school in either place that warrant suspension/expulsion, it applies to both places. In both you have the same group of people interacting. To say that someone who did something wrong should only be suspended from the playground but can still attend class with the same people he/she harmed on the playground or vice versa would be silly. It's all connected. Last week someone posted that they lost an in-world friend over a thread in the forums, it's all connected.

I hope we don't lose these forurms. Or worse, they get subcontracted.



From: Seth Kanahoe

Thank you for spewing sense into this thread.

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From: Billybob Goodliffe
the truth is overrated :D

From: Argent Stonecutter
The most successful software company in the world does a piss-poor job on all these points. Particularly the first three. Why do you expect Linden Labs to do any better?
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pandastrong Fairplay
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08-14-2005 14:33
From: April Firefly
They look at facts and...


Well, see that is the problem. From my only 2 experiences they do NOT look at facts.

1. I never used a scripted weapon
2. I never said "you asshole" or "fuck you"

So, in my two experiences, it is pretty black and white.

But this thread isn't about pandagriefer's experiences at the core level.

I would like to hear from others so I can be validated in some way and not have to become a major drug abuser or a stripper when I grow up. :D
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~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media



"That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline."

~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
Hank Ramos
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08-14-2005 14:42
Thread locked in 5...4...3...2...1...

:eek:
Hiro Queso
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08-14-2005 14:43
Wouldn't surpise me *sigh*
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Hiro Queso
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08-14-2005 14:48
I think on an individual basis, the Lindens do a thorough professional job. I feel I should mention - ty to Cyn Linden who went out of her way to help me out outside of her work hours. The problem is the collective/company policies. I bet many a Linden is faced with a situation where they are not sure what is the right course of action to take.
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Seth Kanahoe
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08-14-2005 14:51
It's a kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't thing. If you make solid, insightful, if controversial comments about a sensitive issue, you'll likely get hammered from one side, or the other, or the other, or the other, or the other... or you may get shut down by the folks who have that power - and their own understable agenda.

Not just me or you, everyone. Eh, I suppose that means justice is alive and well on these forums.
Hiro Queso
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08-14-2005 14:54
From: Seth Kanahoe
It's a kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't thing. If you make solid, insightful, if controversial comments about a sensitive issue, you'll likely get hammered from one side, or the other, or the other, or the other, or the other... or you may get shut down by the folks who have that power - and their own understable agenda.

Not just me or you, everyone. Eh, I suppose that means justice is alive and well on these forums.

hehe I don't know about justice, but they're certainly alive...for now anyway.
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Weedy Herbst
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08-14-2005 15:37
What gets me is a handful of posters (namely one) consistantly posting inciteful threads.

Blanket derrogatory statements like FIC, references to banned posters, attacking Linden staff, accuastions of favortism, all have no place in these forums because they contribute to nothing but discord.

We never hear the whole story because of privacy issues, but I am deeply concerned that prosecuting the "users" while the "dealers" continue to ply the trade, does not appear fair.

Dismissing these posters by using "mute" is absurd. Dogs bite, but that does not mean I should be forced to wear armor in public.
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Enabran Templar
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08-14-2005 15:46
From: Weedy Herbst
Dogs bite, but that does not mean I should be forced to wear armor in public.


I think this adequately expresses my thoughts as well.
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Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.


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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
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08-14-2005 15:58
Great stories everyone! Keep them coming!
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~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media



"That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline."

~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
pandastrong Fairplay
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08-14-2005 15:59
From: Hank Ramos
Thread locked in 5...4...3...2...1...

:eek:


Thread locked joke #1 hahaha loll fic
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~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media



"That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline."

~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
blaze Spinnaker
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08-14-2005 16:05
Let's all just avoid the interpersonal silliness and I'm sure we will all get along.
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Malachi Petunia
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08-14-2005 16:08
In answer to Cristiano's (and April's) question, I did receive warning and did persist, but also as Cristiano noted, I'm usually rather "tame" when it comes to forum invective. I'd stick by my words on the subject (if I could remeber what they were). But do let's leave that topic alone, please.

I suspect that the thread was locked as the moderator logged in, saw some ARs at the top of the queue, peeked in and did come to the conclusion that there was bashing going on and locked it. Funny thing was, in this instance, the thread had "degenerated" into civil discourse by the time it was locked. :eek:

And just to amplify Hiro's "on an individual basis, the Lindens do a thorough professional job", I just gave fair and charitable reason why the thread may have been locked - I don't think it was locked because I was being critical of policy. I agree that LL staff does do well within what appears to be very ambivilent direction.

Which brings me again to Hiro's prior point of fence sitting. When a firm is infirm in their convictions not only do the customers suffer but so do the employees. Without firm guidelines, none of us know what is good, what is not good, so we muddle along hoping for much needed corporate leadership.

I believe pandagriefers report unequivocally; of all the folks I've ever met in SL he is the least likely to ever have thought of having a weapon let alone using it. Given that the asset server can't reliably hold builds together these days, I am deeply suspicious of any "evidence" the grid tosses up. Example: I got a live help call today asking why her build belonged to <old SL luminary that I don't think has been on in 2005> when she was clearly the creator. As it turns out, a Liaison had been by yesterday to fix some texture permissions that had gotten munged and whether it happened at the time or thereafter, the owner got switched to another UUID. So yeah, I think pandagriefer likely got short shrift from overburdened staff trying to dispense with too much in too little time.

Is the Linden staff overworked and thus dealiing with things as expediently as possible no matter how unjust it may be? Probably? Do the corporate directors care? It doesn't seem so from this side.
April Firefly
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08-14-2005 16:10
From: pandastrong Fairplay
Well, see that is the problem. From my only 2 experiences they do NOT look at facts.

1. I never used a scripted weapon
2. I never said "you asshole" or "fuck you"

So, in my two experiences, it is pretty black and white.

But this thread isn't about pandagriefer's experiences at the core level.

I would like to hear from others so I can be validated in some way and not have to become a major drug abuser or a stripper when I grow up. :D



Did you file a grievance, and if so, what was the response? If not, why didn't you?

I'm not trying to minimize your pain, but I've been in SL for one year, I was in TSO for 2 years, I've been online since the early 80's. In all that time, I've participated in forums, message boards, activingly in the games I mentioned and I've never been censured, banned or even falsely accused of misconduct.

At the same time, I understand it makes me feel comfortable to presume that if there was injustice, it was because of the accused prior consistent behavior or because they put themselves in situations that were at risk for such occurrences.

If in fact, in your case, none of this was applicable and indeed LL is an evil empire unjusticely handing out punishment for some unforsean purpose without rhyme or reason. I don't know what the solution is. Other than the obvious, one would be motivated by the injustice to boycott any organization perceived as evil. But I wouldn't suggest this in your case.

Or you can see it as a learning experience and move on.




From: Seth Kanahoe

Thank you for spewing sense into this thread.

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From: Billybob Goodliffe
the truth is overrated :D

From: Argent Stonecutter
The most successful software company in the world does a piss-poor job on all these points. Particularly the first three. Why do you expect Linden Labs to do any better?
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Jonquille Noir
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08-14-2005 16:19
From: April Firefly
If in fact, in your case, none of this was applicable and indeed LL is an evil empire unjusticely handing out punishment for some unforsean purpose without rhyme or reason. I don't know what the solution is. Other than the obvious, one would be motivated by the injustice to boycott any organization perceived as evil. But I wouldn't suggest this in your case.

Or you can see it as a learning experience and move on.







Do you really think this is a fair assesment of the choices? Either Panda is guilty and lying, or LL is an evil empire? That's rather hyperbolic. Is there no middle ground? No chance that it was a mistake on LL's part? Many people do lie about their own transgressions that led to their disciplinary actions, but that does not mean it's always the case, and I think it's rather naive to paint it as one of only two extreme options.
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April Firefly
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08-14-2005 16:25
From: Jonquille Noir
Do you really think this is a fair assesment of the choices? Either Panda is guilty and lying, or LL is an evil empire? That's rather hyperbolic. Is there no middle ground? No chance that it was a mistake on LL's part? Many people do lie about their own transgressions that led to their disciplinary actions, but that does not mean it's always the case, and I think it's rather naive to paint it as one of only two extreme options.



Oh shoot, sorry. I didn't mean to offend you. Just expressing some options. I should add an advisement. "This is merely my opinion, babblings, I'm sick and hot and I am spending way too much time on the forums today. Anything I write is just opinions and in no way shape or form meant to be fact or the only choice for anyone involved. In fact, please disregard if you feel they are contrary to your own opinions and feel free to offer your own solution. Sorry for bothering you, have a nice day." Written sincerely, not tongue and cheek.

Please suggest the middle ground Jonquille. I am the first to say that I do not have all the solutions. I apologize for being naive. Please go ahead, you were saying...





From: Seth Kanahoe

Thank you for spewing sense into this thread.

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From: Billybob Goodliffe
the truth is overrated :D

From: Argent Stonecutter
The most successful software company in the world does a piss-poor job on all these points. Particularly the first three. Why do you expect Linden Labs to do any better?
Yes, it's true, I have a blog now!
pandastrong Fairplay
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08-14-2005 16:27
From: April Firefly
Did you file a grievance, and if so, what was the response? If not, why didn't you?


Absolutely I did. The situation was about 5-6 of us were hanging out.. I believe it was myself, Coco, Lo Jacobs, Armath, Euturpe, and Kate Hanks,. A griefer came up and started blowing us off the sim. I immediately called a Linden who came by and had a talk with the griefer. The griefer then said he/she was going to file an AR against me.

I then received a canned email stating that I was in violation of the TOS for using scripted weapons after a "careful review of server logs". It simply did not happen. I approached the Linden afterwards, and she told me that it must be a mistake, because she was there at the time of the incident and I did no such thing. She then told me to file a grievence and to mention her specifically as a reference (a Linden who was there specifically at the time of the incident and can verify that I did no such thing).

From: April Firefly

I'm not trying to minimize your pain, but I've been in SL for one year, I was in TSO for 2 years, I've been online since the early 80's. In all that time, I've participated in forums, message boards, activingly in the games I mentioned and I've never been censured, banned or even falsely accused of misconduct.


No pain here, April. I barely play SL at all these days, and I view it as a mild distraction and a way to catch up with friends. I am not a metaverse type of guy.

However, just because you have never experienced something, it does not mean that that "something" does not occur. For instance, I have never given childbirth.

From: April Firefly

At the same time, I understand it makes me feel comfortable to presume that if there was injustice, it was because of the accused prior consistent behavior or because they put themselves in situations that were at risk for such occurrences.


Well, as far as I know, I am not a historical griefer, and unless Coco's new shop is the new Jessie, I didn't think that hanging around for a chat was a high-risk situation.

From: April Firefly

If in fact, in your case, none of this was applicable and indeed LL is an evil empire unjusticely handing out punishment for some unforsean purpose without rhyme or reason. I don't know what the solution is. Other than the obvious, one would be motivated by the injustice to boycott any organization perceived as evil. But I wouldn't suggest this in your case.


Wow, your ruductio ad absurdum has a strong kung-fu grip! If you have ever read any of my posts, April, you would know that I would be the last person to push a concept of "evil empire".

From: April Firefly

Or you can see it as a learning experience and move on.


What should I have learned, and where should I move on to?

I did not start this thread to plead my case, but to hear other's stories. I was trying to gauge any commonality within the AR system, and maybe chalk my experiences up to a minority of "crack-slippers".
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"Honestly, you are a gem -- fun, creative, and possessing strong social convictions. I think LL should be paying you to be in their game."

~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media



"That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline."

~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
Jonquille Noir
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08-14-2005 16:31
I'm not offended. I don't need the uber-PC apology. I'm just stating my opinion as well

The middle ground would be that LL is not perfect. That they make mistakes. That sometimes ARs are rushed through the system and taken as facts, when they shouldn't be, and aren't always true.

Panda said in his original post that it was a joke AR, and yet it was acted on as fact. I don't know Panda personally in-world, but nothing I've read by him would cause me to assume the worst or paint him as a liar. Maybe you've had different experiences. I do know some Lindens though, and I know that despite the way some treat them, they are human, and they do make mistakes.

From: April Firefly
Oh shoot, sorry. I didn't mean to offend you. Just expressing some options. I should add an advisement. "This is merely my opinion, babblings, I'm sick and hot and I am spending way too much time on the forums today. Anything I write is just opinions and in no way shape or form meant to be fact or the only choice for anyone involved. In fact, please disregard if you feel they are contrary to your own opinions and feel free to offer your own solution. Sorry for bothering you, have a nice day." Written sincerely, not tongue and cheek.

Please suggest the middle ground Jonquille. I am the first to say that I do not have all the solutions. I apologize for being naive. Please go ahead, you were saying...






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April Firefly
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08-14-2005 16:33
From: pandastrong Fairplay
Absolutely I did. The situation was about 5-6 of us were hanging out.. I believe it was myself, Coco, Lo Jacobs, Armath, Euturpe, and Kate Hanks,. A griefer came up and started blowing us off the sim. I immediately called a Linden who came by and had a talk with the griefer. The griefer then said he/she was going to file an AR against me.

I then received a canned email stating that I was in violation of the TOS for using scripted weapons after a "careful review of server logs". It simply did not happen. I approached the Linden afterwards, and she told me that it must be a mistake, because she was there at the time of the incident and I did no such thing. She then told me to file a grievence and to mention her specifically as a reference (a Linden who was there specifically at the time of the incident and can verify that I did no such thing).



No pain here, April. I barely play SL at all these days, and I view it as a mild distraction and a way to catch up with friends. I am not a metaverse type of guy.

However, just because you have never experienced something, it does not mean that that "something" does not occur. For instance, I have never given childbirth.



Well, as far as I know, I am not a historical griefer, and unless Coco's new shop is the new Jessie, I didn't think that hanging around for a chat was a high-risk situation.



Wow, your ruductio ad absurdum has a strong kung-fu grip! If you have ever read any of my posts, April, you would know that I would be the last person to push a concept of "evil empire".



What should I have learned, and where should I move on to?

I did not start this thread to plead my case, but to hear other's stories. I was trying to gauge any commonality within the AR system, and maybe chalk my experiences up to a minority of "crack-slippers".


Please see my previous post, I apologize once again toyou and Jonquille. I shouldn't post while sick.



From: Seth Kanahoe

Thank you for spewing sense into this thread.

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From: Billybob Goodliffe
the truth is overrated :D

From: Argent Stonecutter
The most successful software company in the world does a piss-poor job on all these points. Particularly the first three. Why do you expect Linden Labs to do any better?
Yes, it's true, I have a blog now!
April Firefly
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08-14-2005 16:34
From: Jonquille Noir
I'm not offended. I don't need the uber-PC apology. I'm just stating my opinion as well

The middle ground would be that LL is not perfect. That they make mistakes. That sometimes ARs are rushed through the system and taken as facts, when they shouldn't be, and aren't always true.

Panda said in his original post that it was a joke AR, and yet it was acted on as fact. I don't know Panda personally in-world, but nothing I've read by him would cause me to assume the worst or paint him as a liar. Maybe you've had different experiences. I do know some Lindens though, and I know that despite the way some treat them, they are human, and they do make mistakes.



I apologize for the uper-PC apology. It won't happen again.



From: Seth Kanahoe

Thank you for spewing sense into this thread.

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From: Billybob Goodliffe
the truth is overrated :D

From: Argent Stonecutter
The most successful software company in the world does a piss-poor job on all these points. Particularly the first three. Why do you expect Linden Labs to do any better?
Yes, it's true, I have a blog now!
pandastrong Fairplay
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08-14-2005 16:35
From: April Firefly
Please see my previous post, I apologize once again toyou and Jonquille. I shouldn't post while sick.






No probs! Take some echinacea and feel better! :D
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"Honestly, you are a gem -- fun, creative, and possessing strong social convictions. I think LL should be paying you to be in their game."

~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media



"That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline."

~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
Chip Midnight
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08-14-2005 16:39
I think LL does a good job at an impossible task and pretty much agree with April's and Seth's comments. When people make snide or overly personal forum posts, or break rules in world, it's a bit like throwing food at someone in the school cafeteria. You might get caught and disciplined or you might not. Either way you know when you throw the food what the risks are.

The "mommy, but all the other kids are doing it" and "but billy did it too and didn't get in trouble" excuses don't hold any water when an eight year old sings those laments to the parent that just grounded them. Why should they be any more valid from adults? Without a doubt LL errs on the side of tolerance. I don't think any of us really want more black and white enforcement. I can just hear the cries over draconian rules now. The more people rag on LL for inconsistencies, the more likely they are to do things we'll dislike a whole lot more. Take your lumps and count your blessings.
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pandastrong Fairplay
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08-14-2005 16:47
From: Chip Midnight
I think LL does a good job at an impossible task and pretty much agree with April's and Seth's comments. When people make snide or overly personal forum posts, or break rules in world, it's a bit like throwing food at someone in the school cafeteria. You might get caught and disciplined or you might not. Either way you know when you throw the food what the risks are.

The "mommy, but all the other kids are doing it" and "but billy did it too and didn't get in trouble" excuses don't hold any water when an eight year old sings those laments to the parent that just grounded them. Why should they be any more valid from adults? Without a doubt LL errs on the side of tolerance. I don't think any of us really want more black and white enforcement. I can just hear the cries over draconian rules now. The more people rag on LL for inconsistencies, the more likely they are to do things we'll dislike a whole lot more. Take your lumps and count your blessings.


Not sure if this is just your general view of the AR system ethos, Chip, or more directed at my posts and my reasons for starting this thread.

What it comes down to for me is operations, and fits in aptly with your analogy of children's behaivor.

Specifically what I mean is, I am not a child. I do not feel like dealing with an irrational parent. If LL is stressed out, like a stressed out parent, I feel it has the same propensity to lash out without any measure of reality.

More simply, do not send me an email telling me there is a log file of something that did not occur. I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy OR Santa Clause.

Don't give me a forum warning with a "pretty sure you did x,y, or z or something along those lines" message. Be a professional business with strong operational standards, not a stressed out parent.
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"Honestly, you are a gem -- fun, creative, and possessing strong social convictions. I think LL should be paying you to be in their game."

~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media



"That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline."

~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
Cocoanut Koala
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08-14-2005 17:07
Well, I'm miserable to know this happened. Here we have a guy who comes around and griefs the hell out of us, Panda reports him, and even a Linden comes by (apparently while I was crashed from the griefing), and all this griefer has to do is file his own fake report, and Panda gets in trouble?

Remind me not to be nearly so patient with griefers in future.

coco
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