Official Word on Outing Alts In The Forums
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Jonquille Noir
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09-29-2005 17:01
You really need to learn the difference between someone directing something specifically at you, and you recognizing your own character flaws in what people say and identifying with it. From: Cocoanut Koala "Show me the rule - show me the law After all if I can I should - ain't that so?" I suppose the above - directed at me, which I ignored - and followed up with an explanation of what you meant by directing that at me, which I didn't ignore - is totally meaningless, then, right? If you don't want to stand behind what you say to me, don't say it. coco
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
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09-29-2005 17:05
From: Cocoanut Koala If you are referring to me - as you obviously were in your earlier post - it is not correct to state that I stick to the letter of the law when it suits me or gives me an advantage, then switch to the spirit of the law and cry foul when it doesn't. That would indicate that I'm nothing more than an opportunist, with no morals or ethics whatever. The actual facts are that (1) I never thought I was doing anything wrong getting my 512 First Land. (Obviously, or I wouldn't have mentioned it on the forums.) Then I was told I had. Now it's sitting on the Hotline waiting for an official answer. coco Derailed thread, repost of a locked thread..............and of course the usual I'm a victim crud. Stay on topic, please. Everything is not about you.
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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09-29-2005 17:18
If you're gonna make a snide dig at me, then it's the better part of honor not to pretend you didn't and try to weasle out of it. coco
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Siggy Romulus
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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09-29-2005 17:22
From: Cocoanut Koala If you're gonna make a snide dig at me, then it's the better part of honor not to pretend you didn't and try to weasle out of it. coco Who's that directed at? You didn't say  Funny though - coz by not mentioning it, then your not showing the better part of honor now are you? LOL!
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Sherrianne Hailey
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Join date: 21 Apr 2005
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09-29-2005 17:23
Thanks to Nolan Nash and MrsJakal Suavage for coming up with the Pathfinder Linden quote. Thanks to Pendari Lorentz and everyone else who looked through the CS, FG, and TOS and the forums in search. The Pathfinder Linden view on discussing alts is: From: Pathfinder Linden I have deleted the posts in this thread accusing someone of having alt accounts, as well as any other posts related to it.
It's a violation of privacy to accuse people of this, and against the Guidelines. Any further accusations or discussion like this will result in formal warnings.
Thank you for you attention. Pathfinder does not mention the specific part of "the Guidelines" it violates, and I can't find anything in the Forum Guidelines that seems to connect to Pathfinder's statement. Possibly he was referring to the Disclosure section of the Community Standards, which reads as follows: From: someone Disclosure Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Lives. Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy. Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums. The Disclosure section states that we have a right to a reasonable level of privacy. Pathfinder states that discussing other people's alts is a privacy breach, so it seems reasonable that the Disclosure section is what is being violated. The question of whether discussing other people's alts deals with RL info does not need to be answered, because the first statement in the Disclosure section does not mention "First Life" or real world information at all. Instead it specifically states that we are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to our "Second Lives". It then provides some examples of how revealing RL information can violate the reasonable privacy entitlement clause, and in the next sentence provides some examples of how distributing second life information violates the reasonable privacy clause. The reasonable privacy clause thus applies to both First and Second Life information. A few examples of a concept are not an exhaustive list of everything defined by a concept, and the word "reasonable" is always subject to interpretation. Pathfinder Linden has provided us with an interpretation of the reasonable privacy clause in the Community Standards Disclosure section as it applies to the discussion of other people's alternate accounts, and the decision is that it breaks the rules. Can anyone else find any other examples of comments by any of the Linden staff on the question of making allegations about Person A being the alt of Person B? Did anyone look in the Second Life.com/help wiki?
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Siggy Romulus
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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09-29-2005 17:27
From: Cocoanut Koala "Show me the rule - show me the law After all if I can I should - ain't that so?" I suppose the above - directed at me, which I ignored - and followed up with an explanation of what you meant by directing that at me, which I didn't ignore - is totally meaningless, then, right? If you don't want to stand behind what you say to me, don't say it. coco You just don't get it do you? You don't get to tell me who I'm 'directing' things at! I 'directed it' at a group of people - of whom you are one (in my opinion). A vast group of people who read things into rules - posts - etc. when it suits them - such as you are doing now. You further went on to tell me what my opinion was of you - which amused me to no end. EDIT Went back and triple checked - nope - nowhere in any of the posts did I direct ANYTHING at you - you made an assumption and ran with it. Now that being said - yes I think you ARE one of those people - but I did not single you, or anyone else out. I referred to a character trait, whether you possess that trait or not wasn't the point until you made it so yourself.
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
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09-29-2005 17:27
From: Cocoanut Koala If you're gonna make a snide dig at me, then it's the better part of honor not to pretend you didn't and try to weasle out of it. coco Judging others again about motivations......pftt. What a case. Speaking of SNIDE, YOU do it EVERY post with CAPS. Comprende?
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-29-2005 17:30
From: Siggy Romulus You just don't get it do you? You don't get to tell me who I'm 'directing' things at! I 'directed it' at a group of people - of whom you are one (in my opinion). A vast group of people who read things into rules - posts - etc. when it suits them - such as you are doing now. You further went on to tell me what my opinion was of you - which amused me to no end. OK, then, I see your point. It was to a group of people of whom I was one of the primary spokespersons. In future, if you aren't directing a comment to me, maybe you should either make that clear, or not put it into a two-sentence post directed to me, with a pointed question directed to me. I'm apt to assume from that that it is about me, and directed to me. coco P.S. Yes, it was the lengthy post about Pathfinder and the analysis of the Guidelines in it, above, that I was referring to earlier.
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Siggy Romulus
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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09-29-2005 17:35
From: Cocoanut Koala OK, then, I see your point. It was to a group of people of whom I was one of the primary spokespersons. In future, if you aren't directing a comment to me, maybe you should either make that clear, or not put it into a two-sentence post directed to me, with a pointed question directed to me. I'm apt to assume from that that it is about me, and directed to me. coco P.S. Yes, it was the lengthy post about Pathfinder and the analysis of the Guidelines in it, above, that I was referring to earlier. No. I'd not call a spokesperson of anything.. again you are reading into it desperately trying to find something disparaging against yourself to cry greivance. If you wanna cry foul, its your own damn fault... So you wish me to preface every post with *btw this isn't about Cocoanut* Thats the most retarded and boneheaded thing I've read all day... Once again - YOU don't get to tell ME who I made a post about - you simply DON'T get it do you? I challenge you , if you reply, to try and stick to what I actually said - not what the voices in your head tell you I think.
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Dianne Mechanique
Back from the Dead
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09-29-2005 17:37
From: Jonquille Noir You really need to learn the difference between someone directing something specifically at you, and you recognizing your own character flaws in what people say and identifying with it. hahahah! Best comeback of the entire day. Thank you. 
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Siggy Romulus
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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Ok honestly I'm done poking with a stick.
09-29-2005 17:44
Time to fess up:
Consider - I make a comment on a vague group of people... I didn't name anyone - but could I have meant someone in particular?
Hmmmm.... if I did and it was read into, that could be said to be the 'spirit' of the comment/post.
BUT
If you go by the LETTER of my posts.... thats another story...
Thank you Coco for proving my point.
*cuts strings and bows*
See - Blaze and Ulrika aint the only ones who can do 'perfomance art'
Siggy.
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-29-2005 18:48
Have it your way. Just because you said it to me, and asked the question of me, doesn't actually mean it had anything to do with me whatsoever. Now, back to the original topic. coco
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Siggy Romulus
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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09-29-2005 18:53
From: Cocoanut Koala Have it your way. Just because you said it to me, and asked the question of me, doesn't actually mean it had anything to do with me whatsoever. Now, back to the original topic. coco I will have it my way  LOL But eh - keep on keepin on with that reading into stuff - as Dr Phil would say 'How's that workin for ya?' BTW - go back and quote where I said it to ya will ya? I'd like to see that post 
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