MJW Cultural Disconnect!
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
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09-01-2005 09:43
When all is said and done the officers of the Metaverse Justice Watch - IMO, have demonstrated their profound ignorance of the culture of SL. We are a diverse community that was founded on the principles of creativity, trust, community openness fostered by good will and the spirit of giving. We grew quickly and commerce emerged along with difficult growing pains - as witnessed this past week. And once again we see ignorant attempts to control that which can not be controled - money does not talk, it swears - the human spirit will not yield to silly organizational attempts to protect what's "mine", or "what I've earned." Fear, control, and self-appointed guardians of "business interests" will not be the stewards of our evolution. Lindens, carry on improving our Second Life and fixing the things that are broken!   
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
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09-01-2005 09:45
Oh it gets better Mer, have a read /128/66/59891/1.html
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YOUR MOM says, 'Come visit us at SC MKII http://secondcitizen.net ' From: Khamon Fate Oh, Lecktor, you're terrible. Bikers have more fun than people !
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
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09-01-2005 09:48
Prokofy: "I'm setting up an interest group to fight for justice to curb the injustices against those in power, namely the FIC. See it however you like. The facts remain, you cannot go on ruling our world." 
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
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09-01-2005 10:07
Thank Lecktor - lots of fear in the words he writes. 
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Satchmo Prototype
eSheep
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
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09-01-2005 10:13
Would any of these requests have protected GOM?
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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09-01-2005 10:48
I think so, Satchmo.
coco
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Gabe Lippmann
"Phone's ringing, Dude."
Join date: 14 Jun 2004
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09-01-2005 14:21
From: Satchmo Prototype GOM You're killin' me, Satch.
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Cindy Claveau
Gignowanasanafonicon
Join date: 16 May 2005
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09-01-2005 14:43
I thought this was supposed to be an "open" group? From your link: From: someone I personally am for not having the major content-creators in this group UNLESS they can agree on these very basic issues about justice -- which I find they've consistently, repeatedly, aggressively refused to do, lacking the same kind of moral compass that I have or other MJW' members have about Jeska getting to pose for just one business Moral compass? Is that some kind of proprietary content? From: someone We're doing this in a positive, constructive manner, not grandstanding, not staging huge forum wars, not creating huge publicity events in the world, Actually, not creating ANY publicity. The better to control who attends. From: someone We are self-selected Say no more.
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
Posts: 6,734
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09-01-2005 14:45
From: Cindy Claveau I thought this was supposed to be an "open" group? From your link:
Moral compass? Is that some kind of proprietary content?
Actually, not creating ANY publicity. So much for concern for the "common man" and social justice.
Say no more. HEY You made that look like I said it!!!  Please clarify. 
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YOUR MOM says, 'Come visit us at SC MKII http://secondcitizen.net ' From: Khamon Fate Oh, Lecktor, you're terrible. Bikers have more fun than people !
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Anshe Chung
Business Girl
Join date: 22 Mar 2004
Posts: 1,615
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09-01-2005 14:49
From: Merwan Marker When all is said and done the officers of the Metaverse Justice Watch - IMO, have demonstrated their profound ignorance of the culture of SL. We are a diverse community that was founded on the principles of creativity, trust, community openness fostered by good will and the spirit of giving. We grew quickly and commerce emerged along with difficult growing pains - as witnessed this past week. And once again we see ignorant attempts to control that which can not be controled - money does not talk, it swears - the human spirit will not yield to silly organizational attempts to protect what's "mine", or "what I've earned." Fear, control, and self-appointed guardians of "business interests" will not be the stewards of our evolution. Lindens, carry on improving our Second Life and fixing the things that are broken! Thanks for starting this thread, Merwan. And many thanks for your lecture telling everybody what the "culture" of SL should be May I ask how many unannounced and never published meetings, phone calls and e-mail exchanges you have had with Lindens during past 12 months? Our correspondence with Linden Lab is public and everybody is invited participate in our group. Can you say the same about your correspondence and lobbying attempts with Lindens? Frankly, I can understand why you have problem with us.
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
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09-01-2005 14:51
You started off stronger in the other thread. Careful you're slipping.
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YOUR MOM says, 'Come visit us at SC MKII http://secondcitizen.net ' From: Khamon Fate Oh, Lecktor, you're terrible. Bikers have more fun than people !
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Forseti Svarog
ESC
Join date: 2 Nov 2004
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09-01-2005 15:22
From: Cocoanut Koala I think so, Satchmo.
coco so you coco, are in favor of crippling the progress of second life to preserve current business interests and the status quo? |
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
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09-01-2005 15:25
From: Anshe Chung Thanks for starting this thread, Merwan. And many thanks for your lecture telling everybody what the "culture" of SL should be May I ask how many unannounced and never published meetings, phone calls and e-mail exchanges you have had with Lindens during past 12 months? Our correspondence with Linden Lab is public and everybody is invited participate in our group. Can you say the same about your correspondence and lobbying attempts with Lindens? Frankly, I can understand why you have problem with us. Aww, glad you saved some money on duplicate posts, Anshe. You truly ARE a business girl.
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
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09-01-2005 15:26
From: Cristiano Midnight Aww, glad you saved some money on duplicate posts, Anshe. You truly ARE a business girl. Muhahahahaha!
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Cory Edo
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Join date: 26 Mar 2005
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09-01-2005 15:28
Cris Midnight Strikes Again!
I really think what they hate about you is your infernal logic, Cris. Try to tone it down some, willya? That voice of reason thing is getting really old.
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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09-01-2005 15:30
From: Anshe Chung with Lindens during past 12 months?
Our correspondence with Linden Lab is public and everybody is invited participate in our group. Except of course content creators, and the media.. But then again, eh, we're tourists and players anyway - takes 10 of us to take up one spot.
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Forseti Svarog
ESC
Join date: 2 Nov 2004
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09-01-2005 15:42
From: Siggy Romulus Except of course content creators, and the media..
But then again, eh, we're tourists and players anyway - takes 10 of us to take up one spot. so THAT's what alts were for... |
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
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09-01-2005 15:58
From: Anshe Chung Thanks for starting this thread, Merwan. And many thanks for your lecture telling everybody what the "culture" of SL should be May I ask how many unannounced and never published meetings, phone calls and e-mail exchanges you have had with Lindens during past 12 months? Our correspondence with Linden Lab is public and everybody is invited participate in our group. Can you say the same about your correspondence and lobbying attempts with Lindens? Frankly, I can understand why you have problem with us. I have no problem with any of this or with you personally - you seem to enjoy calling me a lair, and I will continue to hold you accountable for the nasty things you say to and about me. IMO, this group is irrelevant and is organized by wolves in sheep's clothes. IMO you do not understand what's happen with LL and the GOM situation - so you have tired your hand at community organizing - fearing that the same could happen to you and your SL holdings. (Note your wanting compensation for loss of tele-Hub land). But you don't understand that organizing people takes relating with people one and one - caring about them as individuals, not as transactions, and focusing around a common REAL vision - not rectorial non-sense. You possibly loosing wealth is of little interest to many SL residents - and that's what so many of us see you as - a wealthy SL individual who is playing-the-game of material wealth. Re: my LL relationship... I've had several phone call to/from Linen Labs - mostly between the time since I was interviewed by Reuters News Service in June, '04 - ( Virtual real estate boom draws real dollars) and the ending of my SLExchange ownership. I never had an inworld meetings with LL - I've had a couple one-on-one talks with individual Lindens at either their request, or spontaneously. If they ask to meet me, I always agree. I have no influence with LL. When I strongly urged LL to REQUIRE Apotheus to meet with LL and I inWorld to help with the SLEx problems, he flaty refused, and they would do nothing more. The rest is history. Oh, and I am not lecturing, I am only sharing my experience of SL and the vision of so many others...
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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09-01-2005 16:03
From: Forseti Svarog so you coco, are in favor of crippling the progress of second life to preserve current business interests and the status quo? I heard proposals made that would have both fostered progress and preserved current businesses. I heard no answers for why those particular solutions couldn't have been applied and satisfy both sides. Had their been more input from the residents about these decisions before they were made, then yes, Gom could have been helped, and the goal of allowing people to buy money more easily would have been reached as well. Soliciting input from any and all residents before sweeping changes hurting some are unilaterally implemented means more options - such as the above - will be suggested, and the Lindens may well hear of one that would be better than what they were considering. coco |
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Madame Maracas
Not who you think I am...
Join date: 7 Jun 2004
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09-01-2005 16:22
So what kinda justice are they propogating and for whom?
How can one feel that "open enrollment" is the way to go with stated prejudices (against the much-whispered & laughed about FIC), and contrarian "desired" member outlines (quotes mine, stakeholders & non-landowner/content creators? What might they have in common?)?
I sincerely suspect that if ANYONE wanted to talk to a Linden they might find the following process works pretty well.
FIND
PEOPLE
Check the box for ONLINE
LINDEN - in search field
Select one of the folks that come up.
IM them.
Start typing.
Works for me everytime.
Since forever, long before I had a radio station, long before I ever EVER came into the forums, when I hadn't started selling clothing, when my content creation was restricted to stuff for my own amusement (house, slider clothes, the obligatory 512sqm waterfall), I found I could reach folks that way, Lindens and others, too.
So restrictive.
So very tough to do.
Available only to the few, the connected, the (sssh don't tell!) entire population of SL.
Gotta remember folks, just like whomever sits in the Oval Office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Lindens don't have a job w/out us.
All of us.
Otherwise Phillip would just have this nifty software to tinker w/and no one to run around in it, creating content.
Oh and by the way, EVERYONE is a content creator. You show up, you are content. You talk to someone, you are creating content.
Stakeholders?
Yep everyone is, even at the $9.95 one time fee level.
You show up, occupy space, you have a stake.
You wanna buy 16 sims? Are you a major stake holder?
Sorta. Well, yes, but consider this.
If you throw a big 16 sim party and NO ONE shows, how big a stakeholder are you?
What if you only have a collective 2048sqm but can have folks over for conversation and music a few times a week, consistently, for over a year? Are you a stakeholder?
Yep.
What if you don't own land?
What if you don't design?
What if you don't "work" in SL (yes they're out there, and they're lovely folks!)?
What if you are "merely" interesting, social and fun in SL?
Are you a content creator?
Yep.
I believe that ANYONE who shows up is a content creator.
Anyone interested in the next instant of SL's existence/experience is a stakeholder.
Anyone can probably get Philip's ear if they stop pouting and just TRY.
SL is very egalitarian that way, in my view. Show up, participate and "profit" in the form of entertainment, enjoyment and amusement.
This is supposed to be fun, right?
But that's just me.
I could be wrong.
I could be deluded.
I could be having A LOT MORE FUN that the pouters, major stakeholders or not, FIC or not, and it's only because I take responsibility for my own enjoyment of my time in SL, that's what I believe.
SL, to me, is a world with few restrictions.
Prim limits.
Server performance limits.
Monetary limits (as in I've not managed that independantly wealthy thing 1st life so...)
Time limits (pesky need to sleep and do other things occasionally)
Not much else.
Cannot figure why all the carping, other than it must be some kinda hobby for folks of which the value eludes me. Carp away if so, just don't expect me to stop dancing, chatting, designing, DJing, bouncing, piloting, visiting, exploring, building, laughing, caring or sharing to join you.
Madame "so obviously missing the point of SL" Maracas
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
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09-01-2005 16:28
From: Nolan Nash Prokofy: "I'm setting up an interest group to fight for justice to curb the injustices against those in power, namely the FIC. See it however you like. The facts remain, you cannot go on ruling our world." This whole thing is like the gift that keeps on giving.  Honestly I have nothing against this group and I'm sure everyone in it believes wholeheartedly that they're acting for the common good, but the common good can't be dictated by a few... especially when you start excluding people based on the notion that they already have too much power, or not enough. At least Prok's tired old conspiracy theory has morphed into a more entertaining second act. It's a bit like a Scooby Doo episode and we've just found out the mutant zombie is actually old man Prokofy.
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
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09-01-2005 16:29
^ lurve your way with words, Madame. That should be a poster with multiple fonts and deco, sort of like a beatnik thang.
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Satchmo Prototype
eSheep
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
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09-01-2005 16:46
From: Chip Midnight It's a bit like a Scooby Doo episode and we've just found out the mutant zombie is actually old man Prokofy. LMAO... I may have just wet myself... |
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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09-01-2005 16:53
It can't be a good world if it is not fair for all.
I am certain that this is right. That's why I know this will prevail. It might take a long time, given how many people here are apparently against fairness and equal opportunity for all, but these ideas WILL prevail.
coco
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
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09-01-2005 16:58
From: Cocoanut Koala It can't be a good world if it is not fair for all.
I am certain that this is right. That's why I know this will prevail. It might take a long time, given how many people here are apparently against fairness and equal opportunity for all, but these ideas WILL prevail.
coco I think the main problem here is that people see special interest groups and "representitive" bodies as inherantly unfair and prone to politics, solipsism, and anti-individualism.
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