U2 in SL

What Demian said, just add my name next to his.

Nyan

very well said Demian. Anyone who has anything to do with U2 in SL knows how well thought out all of this is and was.

Your efforts and the efforts of all involved are actually doing something constructive to make poverty history.

I think the naysayers would use their time and energy much more wisely if they visited one.org and attempted to make a contribution themselves.

I for one appreciate all that everyone associated with the event has done. I look forward to fully supporting this cause and everyone involved in the future.

Do you like your red herrings fried or baked?

I made no comment naysaying anything, nor did I question the quality/intention of the charity programs endorsed by this event. If anyone gets offended by that, then, I'm sorry you read into what wasn't discussed or questioned. What was and is questioned was the difference between "U2 in SL", the real band "U2", and if any copyright infringement was involved.

So far, we know "U2 in SL" isn't the actual "U2". We also know that the mp3's came from a real concert held by the real U2. What isn't clear was if those mp3's were obtained with express or implied permission. Trying to drag in quality causes like those the event claims to be promoting, then using them as a shield to avoid answering clearly sensitive questions, well...to use a line from the quote above...if it was that "well thought out", then the questions about copyright usage would be an easy one to answer.


- Newfie

Thanks to the supporters of U2 in SL and the cause!

And also thanks to the critics and those who try to find a "hair in the soup", because they enforce our intention to raise awareness and to help people to look over the rim of their plate.

Demian

Does that mean I dont have to look at the red herring soup?

Well, maybe you're confused by the questions. Maybe all those good causes have given you a sense of self-righteousness. Doesn't matter, here, I'll spell them out in nice and easy yes/no questions (I'll even fill out the ones that you've answered), so that you can answer then with no muss, no fuss, and get back to your good causes.


Q) Is "U2 in SL" the band "U2" in "SL"?
A) No, "U2 in SL" is a separate group and is not affiliated with the real group U2.

Q) Did "U2 in SL" broadcast music created by the band "U2", which is also the intellectual property of Island Records, in a public forum?
A) Yes

Q) Did "U2 in SL" obtain permission to broadcast the music of U2/copyrighted material of Island Records?
Possible Answers
A) Yes
B) No, but have documentation/references to show explicit permission was not needed
C) Uknown/no, did not investigate the legality of the usage of the U2 recording.


See?

Nice and easy - 2/3 of the questions are even answered in advance. Should only take mere moments to provide a direct answer, so we can stop trying to drag ONE.org's name through the mud by using them as an excuse to avoid responding to the question at hand.


- Newfie


(PS: For purposes of copyrighted material, a 'public forum' is generally a gathering of 20 people or more)

that was pretty cool.

Bono?

Who would've thought.

I remain skeptical, but the implications of celebrity and anonymity seem rather interesting nonetheless.

If it happened to raise money for a good cause, it's all the same.

Cheers.

Man, you are really losing it here, aren't you?

Google is my friend. So how about doing a little research yourself instead of bugging the crap out of people?

Excerpts of what I found in just 5 minutes on the internet.

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From my transcript of a chat with Paul McGuinness at MSN on 9.22.97

Paul said:
"Well, I would distinguish between bootlegs and counterfeits. Counterfeits I take avery dim view of because they're taking money from my clients' pockets. The bootleg phenomenon I'm very relaxed about, quite honestly. I think everyone knows the difference between an authorized recording we'd put out. The fact that people circulate and swap recordings they've made at our concerts I'm actually very relaxed about even though the industry is formally opposed to it. I do have a problem with the recordings produced in Europe, particularly in Italy -- you can find a whole range of things that look like official U2 recordings in full color packaging -- they are extremely poor quality with a very high price tag and I think there should be more legal protection against things like that. But in Italy the law is inadequate to deal with that."

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Bono about bootlegs: "My feeling is, that it is cool for the people to share our music - as long as no one is making money from the process. We tell the people who come to our concerts that they can tape the show if they want. I think, it is cool that people are so passionate about our music." (http://btat.wagnerone.com/)

The Edge on bootlegs: "I have no problems with bootlegs, I think, again, if people make recordings and give them to their friends - as long as people don't get ripped off."

Bono on bootlegs: "The only thing that can piss you off is if people are charging a lot of money for something that isn't very good. It [the Hansa Studios, Achtung Baby working tapes] got bootlegged in Berlin and it was just like having your notebook read out. That's the bit I didn't like about it. There were no undiscovered works of genius, unfortunately, it was more just gobbledy-gook..." Note: Bono admits going out and buying a copy of that bootleg anyway!

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During 2001, several other comments were made by the band regarding the recording of their shows. They made it clear that they were fine with people recording their performances and trading them. They did make it clear that they were opposed to people making money from those recordings. As Bono says, "We invite people to bootleg our shows. We invite people to make copies, we've no problems with that, but if some guy is gonna make money off the back of this, we're gonna find out where he parks his car." Even with those comments being made, those recording cannot openly do so at a show, as security does still take steps to prevent that. (http://www.u2faqs.com)


So, if you are so desperate, why not call Dublin and inquire yourself? I'm sure the guys from U2 in SL, who seem to have done their homework, will be happy to provide you with the phone number.

Sauv

Google is also my friend. All the references I found referred to a lawsuit against some californian band that used samples of their music, and the tone of those messages didn't exactly sound pro-copying. However since you apparently had better luck in your time than I did, thanks for the references.




It appears to me more like you did your homework. As for the U2 in SL group, considering they never did answer a direct question - I would say you just saved them from having to do it themselves.

In either case, since it does answer the question, works for me.


- Newfie

Wrong! We did it ourselves. I'm one of the founders of U2 in SL. And I answered the remaining question.



I'm glad it finally did!

Sauv (U2 in SL)

I just want to make sure my post was not lost in all this senseless arguing. I WANT TO SEE U2 IN SL!!!! ok?

I think this is crazy, it is a game, here to entertain and I wanna be entertained. Take ya needless artificial stress syndrome outta here!

Would someone please tell me how to find out where I can go to see the next U2 in SL? I think it is a genious idea and am so looking forward to the next "concert". We need things like this in SL cuz the game does get a lil bit boring after a while.

TY in advance!

~Saf~

Saf, next U2 gig will be at Club Belle Feu, during their grand opening weekend in August. Exact date and time will be posted in the forum and under events inworld. Another gig will be at Dragon Moon again. Date is not confirmed yet.

You can also join the U2 in SL group, then you'll receive invitations for U2 in SL events.

Demian

Actually, to clarify a bit further, we are still waiting to hear on the availability of all the band members for the Belle Feu gig which, hopefully, will be either August 7th or 8th. This will be the 2nd weekend of the Belle Feu grand (re)opening celebration. But you can be sure you'll see publicity on this event in the forums. And, as Demian suggested, we welcome everyone to join the group, U2 in SL, for advance notice of upcoming gigs and happenings as well as special club member only freebies!

HUGS! DarkDharma Daguerre

Details of the gig are in. Here's a link to the post re info on the upcoming U2 concert for next Sunday, August 7:
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HOPE TO SEE EVERYONE THERE!

HUGS! DarkDharma

Wow, wish I could have seen the show! Now here's my question: When's the Negativland show in SL?

oh, and if only wesley willis was still here... hehe

aside from the u2/"are they or aren't they the real thing" (sl-in-u2 fans might even say, "even bettah than tha re-al thing"? ... it's a verrrry interesting premise.

i would see easier perhaps a 'listening party' with a real group; i wouldn't ask them to perform a show - that's expecting a music group with probably little experience with sl to try to get expert with their gesture keys and all. (and in all liklihood, they'd have tech probs of their own, getting connected, maybe not a good enough machine available to them, etc etc

still, like i said - verrrry interesting premise!! but it could be quite a mobscene, with everybody flying to get closer lol...

Hi Nyoko,

U2 in SL is a roleplay of the real world group complete with avatar likenesses and full concert setup. In my haste to post the other day, I neglected to put in the disclaimer: THIS IS A ROLEPLAY AND IN NO WAY CONNECTED WITH THE REAL U2.

Anyway, I refer you to this introduction posting made when U2 in SL was getting ready to come to "town" about two months ago:

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Hope to see you at the gig on Sunday!

HUGS! DarkDharma

I will be there!

Yeah I'm interested in that too. Did they know about it?

Vron

i would most definitely check it out... but sadly, i'm 'between computers' at the moment. (at least i have a goal for year's end, lol

i'm sure this idea will gain more interest, as a variation to the ol' clubscene...

and wow... thinking about a whole new way to shoot a music video. !! ?? is there any truly reflective element(s) that can be used as skin, like the t-2 mercuryman effect? (and does anybody have 1gig vram card?

Oh. Okay -- settles that question then.

I wonder if U2 copyrighted their likenesses. ?

Tomorrow night's the night! Hope you can all be there!

HUGS!! DarkDharma

I am so glad that the space station came back it was really alot of fun again! I had a very nice time at dragon moon as always!
Here is my latest pic. of me and Bono

You do have a right to publicity, which basically means you have a right to dictate how your likeness is used. Whether U2 would take the time to sue and whether they'd succeed is another story. I'm guessing probably not on both.

You do have a privacy right in your likeness/right to publicity, which basically means you have a right to dictate how your likeness is used. Whether U2 would take the time to sue and whether they'd succeed is another story. I'm guessing probably not on both.