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Hiro Pendragon
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08-23-2005 03:49
If there ever was a definition of "false prophet", it's a man who claims to be a Christian leader and endorses political assasination. I'd love for this idiot to point out where in the Beattitudes Jesus goes, "Blessed are the assassins, for they shall murder their enemies, rather than turning the other cheek."

And I love the end of the article - where Robertson blames another religion - Islam - for wanting to either convert or kill other religions. Oh, wait, isn't that precisely what he's saying to do to Muslims?

I mean... I'm all for ending the political rule of Chavez, don't get me wrong, but I'd like to think that if I claimed to be a Christian leader, I'd endorse peaceful ways first? I would go so far as to say that the UN should consider whether or not to classify Robertson as a terrorist for endorsing violent attacks on another country's leader.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez/index.html


Robertson: U.S. should 'take out' Venezuela's Chavez
Christian broadcaster calls leader 'a terrific danger'

(CNN) -- Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson has called for the United States to assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, calling him "a terrific danger" bent on exporting Communism and Islamic extremism across the Americas.

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson told viewers on his "The 700 Club" show Monday. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war."

Robertson, a contender for the Republican presidential nomination in 1988, called Chavez "a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us badly."

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said. "We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

Robertson accused Chavez, a left-wing populist with close ties to Cuban President Fidel Castro, of trying to make Venezuela "a launching pad for Communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent."

"This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen," he said.

Chavez has said he believes the United States is trying to assassinate him, vowing that Venezuela, which accounts for more than 10 percent of U.S. oil imports, would shut off the flow of oil if that happens.

Robertson's comments Monday were the latest in a string of controversial remarks in recent years by the religious broadcaster and founder of the Christian Coalition.

Last October, during the heat of the presidential race, Robertson told CNN that during a meeting with President Bush prior to the invasion of Iraq, the president told him he did not believe there would be casualties. The White House strongly denied the claim.

In May, during an ABC interview, Robertson ignited a firestorm with his response to a question about whether activist judges were more of a threat to America than terrorists.

"If they look over the course of 100 years, I think the gradual erosion of the consensus that's held our country together is probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings," he said.

Defending his remarks in a letter to Sen. Frank Lautenberg, Robertson insisted he was not being cavalier about the 9/11 attacks. But he also refused to apologize, saying Supreme Court rulings on abortion, religious expression in the public square, pornography and same-sex marriage "are all of themselves graver dangers in the decades to come than the terrorists which our great nation has defeated in Afghanistan and Iraq."

In October 2003, Robertson, criticizing the State Department during an interview on "The 700 Club," said "maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up," referring to the nickname for the department's headquarters in Washington.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher called the remark "despicable."

In July 2003, Robertson asked his audience to pray for three justices to retire from the Supreme Court so they could be replaced with more conservative jurists. "One justice is 83 years old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition," he said.

Robertson insisted he was only calling for prayers for the justices to retire and was not asking his followers to pray for their demise.

In November 2002, Robertson charged that the Muslim holy book, the Quran, incites followers to kill people of other faiths and disputed Bush's characterization of Islam as a religion of peace.

"It's clear from the teachings of the Quran and also from the history of Islam that it's anything but peaceful," Robertson said in a subsequent interview with CNN. "Of course there are peace-loving Muslims. But at the same time, at the core of this religion ... is jihad, and it is to subject the unbelievers either to forced conversion or death. That's what it teaches."
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Devlin Gallant
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08-23-2005 04:38
It WOULD be cheaper than a war though.
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08-23-2005 04:43
So glad I am an atheist.
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08-23-2005 06:58
From: Selador Cellardoor
So glad I am an atheist.


Amen to that.
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08-23-2005 09:19
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08-23-2005 10:55
Athiests unite! Ooooo this won't end well in Bush world. :D
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08-23-2005 11:30
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Amen to that.


Still laughing! :D
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08-23-2005 12:41
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But he also refused to apologize, saying Supreme Court rulings on abortion, religious expression in the public square, pornography and same-sex marriage "are all of themselves graver dangers in the decades to come than the terrorists..."


:eek:
Dianne Mechanique
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08-23-2005 13:25
From: Hiro Pendragon
...Robertson: U.S. should 'take out' Venezuela's Chavez
Christian broadcaster calls leader 'a terrific danger'

(CNN) -- Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson has called for the United States to assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, calling him "a terrific danger" bent on exporting Communism and Islamic extremism across the Americas.

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson told viewers on his "The 700 Club" show Monday. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war."...
This is shite!
Propoganda at best.

Chavez is no dictator, and the US *is* currently trying to assasinate him.
In case anyone forgot, this has all happened before also...

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Garoad Kuroda
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08-23-2005 16:27
Yeah, shocking, a very stupid thing to say.

Btw- I'm not saying this because I'm religious, but it's foolish to even imply that he represents normal Christians.
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08-23-2005 18:11
Hey, ol' Pat is a champion of the 8 Commandments! Those wimpy ones forbidding bearing false witness and killing are for suckers. :D
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-23-2005 18:12
Ya, kinda a no brainer....buuuut... WELL.. what can I say?
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
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08-23-2005 18:15
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
Kiamat Dusk
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09-04-2005 10:09
I agree with Hiro. When I heard about this I just shook my head. This is the same idiot who claimed that 9/11 was divine retribution. Just goes to show you there's a nut in every bunch.

On the other hand...that's not to say I don't support assassination. I mean, c'mon, if we could have just sent in one sniper to take out Saddam and skipped the whole war thing-would *you* be opposed?

I just don't think that Chavez is anywhere NEAR Saddam's level. Sure he's a prick and he's said some crappy things about the US (then again he did offer oil to help out in the aftermath of Katrina), but he's not out murdering his own people, running children's prisons, or condoning state sanctioned rape. I think that Chavez should be dealt with politically.

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09-04-2005 10:33
From: Kiamat Dusk
I think that Chavez should be dealt with politically.


Why should the U.S. deal in another country's politics when we don't want outsiders dealing in ours?
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09-04-2005 11:03
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09-04-2005 11:15
From: Csven Concord
Why should the U.S. deal in another country's politics when we don't want outsiders dealing in ours?


We should deal with other countries' politics when those politics directly and negatively effect ours or human rights in general. For example we have a vested security and financial interest in a stable South America. Chavez is doing his best to destabilize the region and stir up anti-American sentiment.

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09-04-2005 13:10
From: Kiamat Dusk
We should deal with other countries' politics when those politics directly and negatively effect ours or human rights in general. For example we have a vested security and financial interest in a stable South America. Chavez is doing his best to destabilize the region and stir up anti-American sentiment.

-Kiamat Dusk


Then by this logic, it's okay for... say... Chinese companies to support American politicians because our "politics directly and negatively effect(sic)" theirs?
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09-04-2005 15:38
FEMA seems to like Pat Robertson. Evidently you can call for the assasination of a democratically elected leader and still get a favorable nod from this administration.

FEMA points Katrina aid $ to Pat Robertson

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/01/fema_points_katrina_.html

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09-04-2005 17:20
From: Kiamat Dusk
We should deal with other countries' politics when those politics directly and negatively effect ours or human rights in general. For example we have a vested security and financial interest in a stable South America. Chavez is doing his best to destabilize the region and stir up anti-American sentiment.

-Kiamat Dusk



That right there is the reason why there is so much distaste for americans, their government and what they represent all around the world. We have no business butting in the politics of other countries, same as other countries have no business butting in ours. If we have a vested security and financial interest in south america, that's our own damn business, it sure doesn't entitle us to play god with their politics, economics and way of life. Chavez is quite a presence in South America but it's really silly to say that he's stirring up anti-american sentiment. It's always been there. Way back when Chavez was still in grade school. And we have nobody but ourselves to blame for it. Destabilize the region? Hardly. If anything, south america seems to be more united now than it ever was... and that, right there is what makes this government so scared, that south america might just stop being the poor, hungry neighbor they can keep in check...
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09-04-2005 17:34
From: Kiamat Dusk on September 4, 2005
We should deal with other countries' politics when those politics directly and negatively effect ours or human rights in general. For example we have a vested security and financial interest in a stable South America. Chavez is doing his best to destabilize the region and stir up anti-American sentiment.


Contrast that with this hypothetical quote:

From: Osama bin Laden on September 10, 2001
We should deal with other countries' politics when those politics directly and negatively effect ours or Muslim rights in general. For example we have a vested security and financial interest in a stable Middle East. Bush is doing his best to destabilize the region and stir up anti-Islamic sentiment.


Would an assassination of our president thus be justified?
Keknehv Psaltery
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09-04-2005 18:03
He wasn't trying to stir up Anti-Islamic sentiment, he was trying to stir up Anti-terrorist sentiment.
Ardith Mifflin
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09-04-2005 18:15
From: Keknehv Psaltery
He wasn't trying to stir up Anti-Islamic sentiment, he was trying to stir up Anti-terrorist sentiment.


Unfortunately, both the administration and the public have blurred the two together.
Kiamat Dusk
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09-04-2005 21:18
To answer your questions...no, neither the Chinese nor Osama be justified. For one, Osama isn't the leader of a country. But more importantly, while I agree that we should avoid negatively impacting other countries and that by and large they should be left alone to do as they want BUT...American interests and American security comes first in my book. Why? Because I'm an American. If I was British I'd say that British interests and security come first and so on and so forth. So, no, the Chinese government has no right to be meddling in our affairs....even though they do...hypocrites.

And the idea that ignoring countries and groups who continually bash us and malign us is what gets planes flown into buildings. We cannot afford to let anti-American sentiment fester. Don't give me that bleeding heart, give hugs not guns garbage, either. America pumps billions of dollars in *aid*, not just oil revenues, into the Middle East and where has that gotten us? 9/11, that's where.

So when you have a man like Hugo Chavez, a Socialist, a man with close ties to Cuba, China, and Iran of all places, calling America the "most savage, cruel and murderous empire that has existed in the history of the world", it's time to take notice. Or at least call him the liar he is.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/08/09/chavez.invasion.ap/index.html


-Kiamat Dusk
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09-04-2005 21:33
From: Leilany LaFollette
If anything, south america seems to be more united now than it ever was... and that, right there is what makes this government so scared, that south america might just stop being the poor, hungry neighbor they can keep in check...



Yes, we're terrified that they may turn to other sources of revenue besides cocaine and that they might stop flooding across our borders illegally. My goodness! Just think of all the chaos! I mean, who would do all the work that "not even blacks want"?

-Kiamat Dusk
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