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Experimenting with the SL community - should this be allowed?

Cristiano Midnight
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08-02-2005 10:18
From: Ellie Edo

Has any one else either deliberately or accidentally discovered things influencing their sales more than they might have expected ? Anyone else who is willing to tell us, of course.....


I did notice that the nearly constant scrutity that Snapzilla/SLuniverse was under when Prokofy was going off about it daily had a direct impact on the traffic - it surged and has grown dramatically since then ( it took 4 months to get to 10,000 snapshots, it took a month and a half to get to 20,000). I imagine the statement about there being no such thing as bad press is true to a degree - though letting damaging misstatements go unchecked can cause harm. It is not surprising that a mention of SLBoutique, or SLExchange, etc., particularly in a heated thread would lead to some increased traffic and sales. Exposure is exposure - no great rocket science or clever manipulation there, just human nature.
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-02-2005 10:21
Well, hits on a free site is one thing, but someone opening up their wallet to spend money is different.

I honestly never expected to see sales with so many people flaming me.
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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Jauani Wu
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08-02-2005 10:23
From: Ellie Edo
How strange it is that such a factual posting generated so little interest in its actual content.
The idea of experimenting with various indirect sales tactics, in this neat enclosed little world, and at zero cost, seems to me a fascinating opportunity, and I for one thank Blaze for sharing his experience.
If this thread had actually explored this "what-affects-what" issue, it could have been quite constructive. I'm a bit busy atm, otherwise I might have had something to say on it myself.

there was nothing factual in your initial post. there was anecdote and hypothesis. besides that, it is not a revolutionary idea that hype is good for business.
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-02-2005 10:40
ahaha. Now now leave Ellie alone, he's only trying to be peacemaker here.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Cristiano Midnight
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08-02-2005 10:48
From: blaze Spinnaker
Well, hits on a free site is one thing, but someone opening up their wallet to spend money is different.

I honestly never expected to see sales with so many people flaming me.


Are the sales under this particular alt?
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-02-2005 11:00
Woah, talk about collateral damage.

I could only wish this guy was my alt.

Anyways, trust me, my alts criticize this account. They don't defend it. I use Blaze to generate credibility for my other accounts by having them attack me.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Weedy Herbst
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08-02-2005 11:05
From: blaze Spinnaker
I use Blaze to generate credibility for my other accounts by having them attack me.


How deceptive. Yet you seem to enjoy pointing out everyone else's deceptions.
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-02-2005 11:07
From: someone

How deceptive. Yet you seem to enjoy pointing out everyone else's deceptions.


No no, not at all. I consider it to be a grave responsibility.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Weedy Herbst
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08-02-2005 11:08
From: blaze Spinnaker
No no, not at all. I consider it to be a grave responsibility.


Using deception to out deception......riiiiiiiiggggghhht. No wonder your credibility is in the toilet.
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Chip Midnight
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08-02-2005 11:13
Having the name of a business floating about in public discourse will definitely help boost awareness among those who haven't heard of it before, but beyond that I don't put much stock in the claims in the first post. Correlation doesn't prove causality. Most people who want to keep a business name in front of people's eyeballs just put it in their sig. They don't stir up drama or controversy.
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Malachi Petunia
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08-02-2005 11:17
I'm guessing Blaze read Ender's Game at an impressionable age and fancies himself Demosthenes and Locke :p
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Margaret Mfume
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08-02-2005 11:18
From: blaze Spinnaker
ahaha. Now now leave Ellie alone, he's only trying to be peacemaker here.



If you're fond of Irony, you gotta love the forums!
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-02-2005 11:25
From: someone

I'm guessing Blaze read Ender's Game at an impressionable age and fancies himself Demosthenes and Locke


Heh heh, Malachi, if you put as much effort into your attacks on me as you did on contributing interesting things, we'd probably all be a lot better off.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Weedy Herbst
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08-02-2005 11:32
From: blaze Spinnaker
Heh heh, Malachi, if you put as much effort into your attacks on me as you did on contributing interesting things, we'd probably all be a lot better off.


Disagreeing or parody...is NOT attack blaze. Your one-sideness sticks out like a sore thumb.
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-02-2005 11:33
Heh, well I think parody is a type of satirical attack, but anyways I'm not really complaining so much as admiring Malachi's technique.

I just wish I could bring my Anti-Blaze ALT up to his level.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Weedy Herbst
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08-02-2005 11:37
Do you wear a tutu in a biker bar? That's how your posts look like to me.

No wonder you are ridiculed as often.
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Jake Reitveld
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08-02-2005 11:58
My thought has awlays been that provocative discussion might actually benefit the community, in as much as people want to investigate allegations for themselves. The purpose of forum debate is not to convice each other, but get the readers to investigate and explore. That is why I am so very regulary opposed to any course of action that tendes to chill speech in favor a comfortable position. The very notion of free speech is to protect the ideas that might be offensive to the majority.

It erestingly enough, even after he has been banned, I find it interesting how much Prokofy defined the fourms and the communities relationship to them. Even now we cannot debat the forums with out the subject of Prokofy coming up. He is the gadfly that set the standard by which all conduct is measured. Truly if we wanted to silence Prok, we would have ingnored him. Istead we demonized him and made him a legend.
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Margaret Mfume
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08-02-2005 12:05
From: Hiro Pendragon
Yeah, god forbid we discuss things civilly and address important issues without flamefests. :rolleyes:

How about those who wish to play a game go make a game in world that's voluntary, and stop bugging us that want to accomplish discussion? You have a right to play a game, and we have a right not to.

And there are other forums for SL.


I don't know, Hiro. It doesn't seem to be that unreasonable of a request. But this line of thought has resulted in being told that not joining the group feeds a deep emotional need of to feel superior, that one has an inability to leave parenting in RL, that one should read the forum history to be informed on the issues, that one should take a break from reading the forums if it is annoying, and that a thick skin is recomended for frequenters of the forum. Oh yeah, I almost forgot alt, minion, nursemaid and Big Brother.
Civil discussion addressing important issues is welcome reading in my book, Hiro. The rest of it is part of being in a community. As to a particular topic and the manner in which it is presented, one person's (be it a whole or partial person) presentation may seem incendiary, amusing or just plain boring to another.

Just to clarify since you don't know me, no bitterness or angst here; it's just a forum, folks.
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Chip Midnight
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08-02-2005 12:05
From: Jake Reitveld
It erestingly enough, even after he has been banned, I find it interesting how much Prokofy defined the fourms and the communities relationship to them. Even now we cannot debat the forums with out the subject of Prokofy coming up. He is the gadfly that set the standard by which all conduct is measured. Truly if we wanted to silence Prok, we would have ingnored him. Istead we demonized him and made him a legend.


Ummmm, no. What we do is hold him up as an example of what not to do. For that reason he is always relevant to discussions of forum policy since he's one of the few to ever get permabanned from them. If the topic at hand is people trying purposely to manipulate popular opinion under false pretenses there simply is no better example. There are very few people (yourself being one of them) that like to glorify him as some kind of martyr.
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-02-2005 12:11
From: someone

Truly if we wanted to silence Prok, we would have ingnored him. Istead we demonized him and made him a legend.


This is a concept oddly lost on pretty much everyone here.

I often wonder at the people who reply to so many of my posts .. they must really love me or something to keep bumping my threads.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Buster Peel
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08-02-2005 12:14
Proud to be a wannabe Profoky?

There is only one, there will only ever be one.

There is a difference between "having an impact" and "being a pain in the ass".
blaze Spinnaker
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08-02-2005 12:15
From: Chip Midnight
Ummmm, no. What we do is hold him up as an example of what not to do. For that reason he is always relevant to discussions of forum policy since he's one of the few to ever get permabanned from them. If the topic at hand is people trying purposely to manipulate popular opinion under false pretenses there simply is no better example. There are very few people (yourself being one of them) that like to glorify him as some kind of martyr.


You have this amazing talent at rationalizing group think. I suspect this could make you a very rich man if you wanted to.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
blaze Spinnaker
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08-02-2005 12:16
From: Buster Peel
Proud to be a wannabe Profoky?

There is only one, there will only ever be one.

There is a difference between "having an impact" and "being a pain in the ass".


In theory, however there have been others who have been problematic and banned from these forums, however they did not have the same impact on the very psyche of the community.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Chip Midnight
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08-02-2005 12:34
From: blaze Spinnaker
You have this amazing talent at rationalizing group think. I suspect this could make you a very rich man if you wanted to.


Once again, ummmm... no. Group think is an intellectually lazy concept by those who claim it exists here. Does anyone speak for you, Blaze? Does someone else come up with your opinions for you? No one comes up with mine but me.
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blaze Spinnaker
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08-02-2005 12:44
Yes, but you may notice that you are coming up with opinions for other people.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
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