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JackBurton Faulkland
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12-06-2005 12:26
From: Euterpe Roo
I might be one of the few folks in these forums who actually does this for a living. I find it amusing that I am seldom bothered by creative re-imaginings of spelling/usage/punctuation. In fact, because I edit student writing for a living, the absolute last thing I want to do is correct the spelling/usage/punctuation of another human being outside the classroom.

I do not have "grammar pet peeves." Instead, I see grammatical issues that I find very difficult to help students solve. They are:

1. pronoun/antecedent agreement ("Everyone has his or her book." The indefinite prounoun antecedent it the word "everyone." Although "everyone" appears to be plural (and in terms of referential language is, in fact, plural) it is treated as singular grammatically and actually takes the third-person (masculine and feminine--to avoid sexism) singular possessive pronoun.)

2. That/who errors (The word "that" is a demonstrative pronoun but can be used as a relative pronoun to begin a relative clause. The word "who" can be interrogative pronoun, but "who" is often used as a relative pronoun to begin an adjective clause. In spoken English (US), it is very common for "that" to supplant "who/whom" at the start of a relative clause. In written languge, the substitution can be quite jarring. In written English, it is "the people who sign the checks" not "the people that sign the checks.";)

Now do you see why correcting another person's grammar can be a problem? :D


It is not the correction, but it is the manner in which some choose to display thier expertise in grammer rules and spelling. I am a programmer and if i see someone doing something wrong I explain to them why it is wrong and I try and do it privately, not in front of the class. I find people that put down others to make themselves feel superior to be disgusting and creating more of a problem then actually doing anything to actually try and remedy the problems that they deem so offensive.
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Euterpe Roo
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12-06-2005 12:59
From: JackBurton Faulkland
It is not the correction, but it is the manner in which some choose to display thier expertise in grammer rules and spelling. I am a programmer and if i see someone doing something wrong I explain to them why it is wrong and I try and do it privately, not in front of the class. I find people that put down others to make themselves feel superior to be disgusting and creating more of a problem then actually doing anything to actually try and remedy the problems that they deem so offensive.


I agree with you, JackBurton.

After all, it *is* all about syntax. :D
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12-06-2005 13:03
Well when in world I have very bad grammar because of lag
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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12-06-2005 13:09
From: JackBurton Faulkland
It is not the correction, but it is the manner in which some choose to display thier expertise in grammer rules and spelling. I am a programmer and if i see someone doing something wrong I explain to them why it is wrong and I try and do it privately, not in front of the class. I find people that put down others to make themselves feel superior to be disgusting and creating more of a problem then actually doing anything to actually try and remedy the problems that they deem so offensive.


I usually try to avoid correcting people in regular forum threads. A post that is just nitpicking grammar or spelling is a pet peeve of mine also. :) There are exceptions of course, like when someone makes an especially amusing error. The nice thing about a thread dedicated to grammar and spelling pet peeves is that you can express those annoyances without making any one person feel bad. (Unless they are overly self-conscious about their bad spelling and grammar and declare that they're being unfairly persecuted, but you can't do much about people like that... except maybe give them a swift roundhouse kick to the head).
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Leilany LaFollette
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12-06-2005 13:32
These make me want to cry:

*stoled

*Randomly mixing affect and effect .

*shutters instead of shudders.

*Do instead of due

Basically because it just shows a lack of effort or caring. :(

Leilany
(corrects mistakes for a living :D )
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Shadow Garden
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12-06-2005 13:35
From: Chance Abattoir
Freudian slip or honest truth?


Unfortunately I suspect both. His speech writer surely wouldn't have written that for him, but it does seem to be a statement of truth.
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12-06-2005 13:36
From: Euterpe Roo
After all, it *is* all about syntax. :D


We get taxed for sinning now?!!! *blinks wildly*
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JackBurton Faulkland
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12-06-2005 13:38
From: Zuzu Fassbinder
I usually try to avoid correcting people in regular forum threads. A post that is just nitpicking grammar or spelling is a pet peeve of mine also. :) There are exceptions of course, like when someone makes an especially amusing error. The nice thing about a thread dedicated to grammar and spelling pet peeves is that you can express those annoyances without making any one person feel bad. (Unless they are overly self-conscious about their bad spelling and grammar and declare that they're being unfairly persecuted, but you can't do much about people like that... except maybe give them a swift roundhouse kick to the head).


So you practice the art of Chuck too? What a small world. I will make a note that Chuck Norris can now fix dislexia and poor grammer by roundhouse kicking people in the head.(of course at 1/1000000000000 of full roundhouse kick power.)
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Lianne Marten
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12-06-2005 13:41
I thought Chuck Norris' roundhouse kick power was infinite?
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JackBurton Faulkland
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12-06-2005 13:44
From: Lianne Marten
I thought Chuck Norris' roundhouse kick power was infinite?



That is true. I was only trying to show that Chuck will use only a very small portion of its power.
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Teri LaFollette
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12-06-2005 14:19
My pet peeve is those typing "That makes sence....
lol
sense...since...cents....scents....but choose wisely! :D :D
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Jillian Callahan
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12-06-2005 15:13
From: Torley Torgeson
"a pigment of my imagination"
Figment.

I am figment of your imagination. :D
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Hah!!!
12-06-2005 18:53
This made me giggle out loud in front of my students, possibly exposing my forums-cruising habit, but it was worth it.

For the record, my grammar pet peeve is the misuse of then when one means than--well that and errors of noun's number (such as the "is our children learning" quote below).

If people can be annoyed at ugly builds, inefficient scripting, or hoochie hair, then (not than) surely annoyance at poor grammar should be in-bounds. Of course, if the speaker has learned English as a second (or third or fourth) language, then (not than) it is a different issue entirely.

From: Shadow Garden
Hey, those grammar errors are worthy of our president! He was raised in the great state of Texas, where the question is rarely asked, "is our children learning?" and where it is important to "put food on our family" :)



"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"—Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."—Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000

"The public education system in America is one of the most important foundations of our democracy. After all, it is where children from all over America learn to be responsible citizens, and learn to have the skills necessary to take advantage of our fantastic opportunistic society."—Santa Clara, Calif., May 1, 2002
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Tikki Kerensky
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12-06-2005 19:01
From: Torley Torgeson
I intentionally do mashups on a lot of my English because I actually speak Torleyese, which is somewhat pidgeon and part-pidgin as well.


Roof chikins!

Back on track, who can forget: Bob's quick guide to the apostrophy, you idiots.
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Persephone Phoenix
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Guilty, once
12-06-2005 19:12
I only correct people's grammar in the forums when they try to correct my morality. I am generally super gentle about this stuff, but when someone is pushing an agenda, I may push back. That said, I do push politely (I said "please";).

I can't speak for anyone else who has corrected a grammar error, but for me it isn't at all an attempt to make myself feel superior. It's just random snarkyness.

From: JackBurton Faulkland
It is not the correction, but it is the manner in which some choose to display thier expertise in grammer rules and spelling. I am a programmer and if i see someone doing something wrong I explain to them why it is wrong and I try and do it privately, not in front of the class. I find people that put down others to make themselves feel superior to be disgusting and creating more of a problem then actually doing anything to actually try and remedy the problems that they deem so offensive.
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Persephone Phoenix
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12-06-2005 19:27
I may be able to help here, Euterpe. I help students remember indefinite pronouns that are always singular by getting them to try to insert the word one after the pronoun in question (as in each (one), either (one) and neither (one)). Next, I tell them that if it has body, one or thing in it, the indefinite pronoun is always singular.

The second instance is one of many in which grammar differentiates between people and things, so to put that/who errors in the context of differentiating between its and his/hers may help (also the preference of phrasing ownership between objects in prepositional phrases rather than with apostrophe use).

It's true that most of us do not use 100% flawless grammar, but most errors that are discussed here are of the more simple variety. If anyone can help me with an effective mnemonic for teaching students the difference between passive voice and progressive verb use, I'll kowtow to you in-world and even let you charge admission! (That is, assuming you can get people to pay it.)

From: Euterpe Roo
*snip*

1. pronoun/antecedent agreement ("Everyone has his or her book." The indefinite prounoun antecedent is the word "everyone." Although "everyone" appears to be plural (and in terms of referential language is, in fact, plural) it is treated as singular grammatically and actually takes the third-person (masculine and feminine--to avoid sexism) singular possessive pronoun.)

2. That/who errors (The word "that" is a demonstrative pronoun but can be used as a relative pronoun to begin a adjective clause. The word "who" can be interrogative pronoun, but "who" is often used as a relative pronoun to begin an adjective clause. In spoken English (US), it is very common for "that" to supplant "who/whom" at the start of a relative clause. In written languge, the substitution can be quite jarring. In written English, it is "the people who sign the checks" not "the people that sign the checks.";)

Now do you see why correcting another person's grammar can be a problem? :D
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Lo Jacobs
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12-06-2005 19:48
"persay" and "per se"

Come onnnnnnn
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Teeny Leviathan
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12-06-2005 20:05
Earlier this year, I was shopping for a new cellphone. I was paying too much for something I hardly used, so I decided to switch to a "pay as you go" phone. At the time, a certain service was running their ads. Their catchphrase is "Where you at?". I went with another service. I do not subsidize the spread of boneheaded grammar. :D
Kendra Bancroft
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12-06-2005 20:08
The one that really frosts my onions is when people say they are "loosing" a contest.

LOSING LOSING LOSING! YOU FRIGGIN' LOSER!!!!


whew. glad I got that off my chest.
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12-06-2005 20:09
From: Kendra Bancroft
The one that really frosts my onions is when people say they are "loosing" a contest.

LOSING LOSING LOSING! YOU FRIGGIN' LOSER!!!!


whew. glad I got that off my chest.


There can't be loosers without tighters. :D
Zuzu Fassbinder
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12-06-2005 20:27
I live in Massachusetts now and I enjoy pronouncing the name of the local NBA team with a hard "C". :rolleyes: I love the stares I get.

What I've always wondered. Is the team named for the language or is the team name an adjective?
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Creami Cannoli
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12-06-2005 21:45
I saw someone use the phrase "You reap what you sew." You reap what you SOW. SEW is to sew with a needle and thread and fix or make something.


I hate it when people use commas when they shouldn't and apostrophes in the wrong places. I also saw a thread in General that made me want to smack the offender through the screen. They were using .!. punctuation in a strange way. It really bothered me, like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Billy Grace
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12-06-2005 22:37
Here is a funny, somewhat related story.

My wife came home laughing and told me what someone said to her. She was at work and a colleague walked up as a car drove by. The woman looked intently at it and proclaimed, "Must be wasn't him". :eek: :eek: :eek:

We still laugh and have a private joke about that to this day.
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Billy Grace
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12-06-2005 22:55
For the record I am a horrible speller, but I could probably count numbers around you. Different people have different talents, different strengths and different weaknesses. Having said that, poor grammar bothers me too… hehe

What I do when the spelling police show up is to point out how horrible they are when they don’t remember to use spell check too... My apologies ahead of time to Jalia… it is nothing personal but I couldn’t resist. The following are excepts from a single, recent post of yours.
From: Jalia Oz
I'd reccomend as a targa image (.tga) with 24 channels (32 channels is for when you're saving with an alpha layer).

Recommend, not reccomend.
From: Jalia Oz
... then I flattened it, saved it as a targa file, uploaded the texture into SL, and slapped it on the side of a flat retangular prim.

Rectangular, not retangular.
From: Jalia Oz
Anyway the above is nice for a simple vendor, but if you have a lot of items to sell it doesn't make sense to place each one in a seperate vendor.

Separate, not seperate.
From: Jalia Oz
For example, vendors that have buttons to click on or smaller windows with previews of preceeding and upcoming items are nice... but these vendors are at least 3 prims each, sometimes more depending on how they're built.

Preceding, not preceeding.
From: Jalia Oz
This allows someone to click on the box or object and purchase whatever it is you're selling for the price you've set.

But if you're selling just an article or articles of clothing, people will have to remove the box from their inventory, place it on the ground, then edit it to remove what's in it.

Content: This means On the other hand, if you click "content" then someone who clicks on your object to purchase will get everything in the box placed in a new folder in their inventory, but will not get the box itself.

Then the ever so popular double space when a single one is needed. Each of the 3 sentences above has one.

Point being, don’t throw rocks!!! Remember, nobody is perfect.
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Torley Linden
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12-06-2005 22:59
From: Creami Cannoli
I saw someone use the phrase "You reap what you sew." You reap what you SOW. SEW is to sew with a needle and thread and fix or make something.


I also hate it when people use commas when they shouldn't and apostrophes in the wrong places. I also saw a thread in General that made me want to smack the offender through the screen. They were using .!. punctuation in a strange way. It really bothered me, like fingernails on a chalkboard.


I do enjoy things in the spirit of kids saying the darndest things. :)

The latter, I know what you're talking about, but hey, it could be a part of their language. Kinda like uh, how some languages have upside down exclamation marks. Or how I use ~this~ and *that* to emote, as an example.

I'll tell ya a pet peeve of mine tho, looong ellipses that aren't done out of dramatic tension but look........................ like bad runons (which some prefer to spell as run-ons).

I admit being peculiar in that I enjoy putting emoticons in formal text. :)
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