Mega March and "Without a Mexican Day"

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Okay boys and girls, lets get back to the original point of this thread. Is anyone in SL going to either the Mega March or participating in the "Without a Mexican Day?" Also are there any similar protests scheduled for within SL?

LOL Follow the thread! Burke invited me to come chill at his place. We both live in Dallas.

Keeping thread on topic:

I will be protesting illegal immigration and endorsing kicking illegals out.

Nope, that was Laz Divine (TBG), that's how I met him and we became friends!

I'm not sure how many illegal immigrants are in SL to protest.
I mean, I suppose there could be some that play SL.
Do we have some kind of statistics?

I dont think 200,000 ILLEGAL immigrants are going to show up to protest. I think it is the Mexican population in general who are protesting the proposed legislation.

True. But it would still be a mess to sort it all out.

In Japan, just because you are born there does not make you a national. If your parents are not, you are not. It is that simple, Japan does not have the imagration problems the United Staes is encountering. Japan deports these people breaking the laws.

You rock, Sans

The SPSL might do something, like we did for abortion rights - only, that time, we got Lind0wned, even though we had approval and everything. I'll have to ask around.

I think that one step in the right direction for immigration reform would be to amend our constitution's provision on children born in our country. Amend it to say that children born in the US will be given US citizenship, ONLY SO LONG AS their parent(s) were in-country legally.... naturalized citizen, student/work visa, vacation passport, etc. If they cannot prove that they were currently on "legal" status in the US when the kid was born (illegal border crossing, student visa expired, whatever), the kid gets no citizenship and the parents get no residency preference.

This would remove one of the largest carrots that the US dangles in front of prospective illegals. It's like saying "You are NOT ALLOWED to come in here without proper paperwork.... buuuuuuttt..... if you DO manage to slip in unnoticed and pop out a kid onto our soil, the kid gets citizenship and you get to stay, regardless of the fact that you're an illegal and your first act in our country was to break the law."

What benefits?

So, take American citizens into custody and break up their families. Great idea. Now we pay for how many million more children in foster care or orphanages? That's a stupid idea. Destroy their families, create a larger burden on the foster care system, and in 10 years have so many criminal delinquents on our hands we don't know what to do. Yep, that's a solution to illegal immigration!

What will cut down the rate of illegal immigration? As I see it two things, economic development in Latin America and increased legal immigration to the USA. I know it's not as exciting as saying "secure the border" or "throw the bums out" but it's a lot more practical.

Because what we really need is a lot of shootings along the border. That will improve things. What exactly would that accomplish? Would it just be the landowner of record who can kill "people crossing the border" or could he deputize a posse to do it? Would he have to have proof they crossed the border, or would we rely on his good word? Can he shoot the ones leaving the country, or only the ones entering? Again, do we take his word for it? And if they have children, does he have to check their papers to see if the kids are US citizens or can he just shoot and ask questions later?

Questions like this are the reason we have law enforcement officials and don't let every landowner run around enforcing federal law.

Yes, the racial and immigration policies of the Japanese are an wonderful example of enlightened policy. The plight of third and fourth generation Korean immigrants in Japan (many of whom are descended from legal citizens who had their citizenship revoked at the end of WWII) is a shining beacon of tolerance and humane policy for all the world to follow.

Or we could look to the example of France and their second and third generation Muslim immigrants. Great job integrating those legal immigrants into French society, huh? Same thing in Germany with the Turks.

In the USA it's the kids who pull immigrant families into mainstream society. The kids learn English and adopt American culture faster and more completely than their parents. It's one of the things that works with our immigration policy. If you were born here, you can claim US citizenship. It's a policy that has worked for a long, long time. And this isn't the time to change it.

What kind of world are we in where it needs to be argued why letting people shoot whoever the hell they feel like as long as they look a bit Mexican is a Bad Thing?

Japan is not perfect and we do not pretend to be. If we had unlimited imigration soon we would be the miniority in our own country. There would be a lot of conflict from Koreans and Chinese that would not become Japanese. It is better for us and them that this not happen.

Am tired of hearing what Japan should do from outsiders but these people quickly say to keep out of their "internal" affairs.

As a residence of the United States, I keep quiet most of the time.

Dont think anything good will happen due to the greed of the business people in America. Something is going to have to give.

The policy of being born in the United States making one a citizen is a stupid one. It encourges people to break the law to have an infant. Adding the requirement that one of the parents being at least a legal resident will do away with this nonsense.

Please note that Americans can not own property in Mexico and am sure would get promply deported if ilegal. This is of course fair?

THANK YOU Ordinal and Michael for confirming I was not in an alternate universe of SL forums. Scared me for a bit...

I wasn't arguing to shoot anyone over skin tone. I was arguing the point that if a landowner puts up no trespassing signs, with the notice 'violators will be shot' every 20 feet, then he has all the legal power behind him to deal with trespassers by firing a weapon.

People jumping the border are causing historical highs in damages lately, in fences , lost cattle due to broken fences, etc. All caused by their 'need' to get into the US without paperwork.

Lets let the landowners protect their property.

I didn't say to keep out of US affairs. I said Japan's immigration and naturalization policies are not what the USA should model ours on. But I like how you tell us you're tired of us commenting on Japanese policies, but you feel free to say the following:




So you don't like it when people tell Japan what to do, but you feel free to comment on the US and Mexico? Doesn't seem fair somehow.

I like how you didn't answer any of my questions. Would you allow the land owner to shoot children? Is it just the land owner who has this "right" or can he or she deputize a posse? Can he shoot people crossing into Mexico or Canada?

And, no, putting a sign up saying "No Trespassing, Violators Will Be Shot" doesn't give you the "legal power" to shoot somebody. If I put up signs on my property that said "No Trespassing, Violators will be Raped" could I rape anybody who wandered on to my property? How about "Violators Will Be Tortured" or "Violators Will Be Enslaved"? Posting a sign saying you're going to break the law, doesn't give you the right to do so.

Life is not fair and I dont make Japans imagration policy.

I am not sure if America can make a imagration policy like Japans. Your goverment will not support such. The Republicans want a lot of cheap labor to enter the country for business and the Democrats want a lot of people to enter the country to change the vote.

What I get tired of is Japan bashing. To be fair not very much of it comes from America. The vast majority of it comes from China and Korea. If America falls we are going to have and deploy our own deterent force.

The problem with American companies is the people that are running them are not concerned with the future. They want instant gradifaction as do so many. Thus they support an open border at the expense of security, ecomony and culture. They are raiding their companies future to secure profit for themselves.

Criticism of Japan isn't necessarily Japan-bashing. Just as you feel free to criticize "American companies" others should feel just as free to criticize Japan. Korea and China have historical reasons for anti-Japanese feeling. And Japan doesn't seem overly concerned about alleviating those feelings.

Sorry. No. Wait. There's now the death penalty for looking like you might interfere with fences and/or cows, to be carried out by whoever feels like it?

Nope, you can't shoot people just because they are on your land. You can't hold them at gunpoint either. Doesn't matter if they are American citizens or not. It's still illegal to mete out vigilante "justice".

I think this sums up a big part of the problem right here.

"The protest, which included many Hispanic families, was partly to counter conservative's plans to make illegal entry into the US a crime."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4894632.stm


Wha? Isn't it, by virtue of being illegal, therefore already a crime?

-Kiamat Dusk