Pat Roberts at it again, to voters: Vote against Evolution or God will kill you"
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Desmond Shang
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11-11-2005 16:23
From: Kevn Klein Desmond,
The colonies didn't insist God be removed from Government. The problem was in England they nationalized a specific Christian religion. Any Christians who disagreed were killed. The founders wanted freedom to practice any religion you want. That's why the congress isn't allowed to create a government sponsored church. We all are in agreement, we don't want a Church of the USA.
I'm all for killing any pledge. But I think they should have some kind of show of respect for those who died making the USA free.
Edit: Allah means God. This may surprise you but I'm largely agreeing with you Kevn, and saying that yes you have rights and protections to all that you believe. The question is this: Is the USA supposed to be a Christian nation?
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Aleister DaSilva
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11-11-2005 16:42
From: Kevn Klein
There is a chance the constant attack on American values will cause a backlash, forcing amendments to the constitution. When 90-95% of American's believe in God, it's just a matter of time till they clearify what was clearly intended by the founders.
Most of the Founding Fathers were not Christians, but Deists. http://www.deism.com/DeistAmerica.htm |
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-11-2005 16:47
Stop radical Christian fundamentalists before they replace democracy with theocracy.
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Kevn Klein
God is Love!
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11-11-2005 17:25
Deists believe in God. None of the founders suggested religion shouldn't be taught in school. It was taught to them and they didn't stop it being taught during their lives. |
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Kevn Klein
God is Love!
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11-11-2005 17:29
From: Desmond Shang This may surprise you but I'm largely agreeing with you Kevn, and saying that yes you have rights and protections to all that you believe.
The question is this: Is the USA supposed to be a Christian nation? The USA is a religious nation. Regardless of ones religion, it should be welcome. I have never suggested the USA should pick areligion and insist everyone worship it. I have advocated children learn about all major religions to teach them tolerance. And by the actions of a few it's clear some need to be more sensitive. |
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Euterpe Roo
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11-11-2005 17:39
/me frightened ( someone is off her meds.) 
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Mina Welesa
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11-11-2005 17:54
From: Desmond Shang The question is this: Is the USA supposed to be a Christian nation? If the U.S. was strictly a Christian nation, it would no longer be a republic, but a theocracy (which seems to be what fundamentalists really want). Not that a theocracy would work... without unbelievers to convert, they would spend their time bickering among themselves over doctrinal interpretations until hades froze over. |
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Susie Boffin
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11-11-2005 19:27
From: Kevn Klein The USA is a religious nation. Regardless of ones religion, it should be welcome. I have never suggested the USA should pick areligion and insist everyone worship it.
I have advocated children learn about all major religions to teach them tolerance. And by the actions of a few it's clear some need to be more sensitive. Gol dang it boy I thought you might have learned something from my posts but I guess not. The US of A is a Republic governed by laws (the Constitution) and not a democracy ruled by some christian majority. Come on and wake up!
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Seth Kanahoe
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11-12-2005 00:55
From: Susie Boffin The US of A is a Republic governed by laws (the Constitution) and not a democracy ruled by some christian majority. So is Protestant Christianity. As a matter of fact, the two main sources contributing to democracy and republicanism in European civilization were the rediscovery of classical Greek and Roman political culture, and the rise of congregational democracy in reformed Protestant churches - the first occurring in the 1400's, and the second in the 1500's. Europe and North America's first practical experience with local democracy and large-scale republicanism happened mostly in the context of Protestantism. The idea of a consitution as a stabilizing factor in democratic political culture was also based on the practical experiences of congregational rules and inter-congregational diplomacy in various Protestant denominations. And, of course, early republican political literature of the United States derived from Protestant political/religious philosophers such as Jonathan Edwards, Cotton Mather, and John Winthrop. So there's a lot of truth to the idea that the foundation of American political culture is firmly entrenched in a religious tradition. But it's also worth noting that the Founding Fathers carefully and deliberately secularized the American state for practical reasons relating to the various religious wars fought between the American colonies before the Revolution - the worst of which occurred between Anglican Virginia and Catholic Maryland, and resulted in over 6000 casualties. And when challenged on this issue by a number of religious leaders in the 1780s and 1790s, the Founding Fathers - Federalists and Anti-Federalists as one - responded quickly and strongly to suppress the challenge. |