whats with the tits on some of you female avis?

Well I can near always be found in the elven lands. Its a beautiful and peaceful place and your welcome to come by we are a friendly bunch!

Haha might take you up on that

You mentioned Caledon a bit earlier so it sounds very plausible people there would be on average more open minded towards 'non-Barbie' av shapes and/or polite enough to not voice their opinion if it happens to differ ^^


Ahh, oversized houses are pet-peeve of mine >.< though sadly with camera system in SL the completely to scale buildings can be pain to navigate (there's great house from 50's in SL on display, with radiosity lighting baked and all... that really makes it obvious why bit of extra elbow room can be good idea)

As for shorter than me... well, the height meter thingies put me around 5'5-6" iirc, so maybe if when i have the heels on ^^;;

Okies, I'm here to chime in for shape sellers. I make shapes, I sell them. I make great shapes. None of them have huge boobage, some are well endowed, but none are crazy stacked. Funny thing is, I sell five female shapes, my favorite is "Slender Sexy" but the best sellers are, "Curvy" and "Petite & Curvy" the two shapes with the biggest rackage. So, all you self professing small boob loving girls seem to be in the minority. My most modestly endowed shape "waif" rarely sells. My two cents on shapes, anyone can make a set of boobs, the skill is in the face.

On the fella front, I wholeheartedly agree, the gorilla boyz are funny. My biggest male shape, "Tank" is like 90 in height, but he's got the big arms, thick neck etc. My best sellers are "Provocative" and "Innocence" they are slim and muscled, like swimmers. "Model" & "Troubled" are smaller/slimmer yet. (BTW, my pet peve is the small headed people, what's up beatlejuice? Grow a brain.)

Lastly, I sell lots of shapes, I give away lots more. To all the people bitching that they shouldn't be sold, get over it. Though, I did get into selling shapes cuz I saw some bonehead selling amazingly bad shapes for outrageous prices (750 to 1500L) So I sell them just to fuck with that guy and get the price point lower. (Mine are all 299)

If you come into my shop and mention reading this, I'll give you or the noob of your choice a free shape and some jewellery.

Sampson Suntzu
*SS* Creations

Making SL more beautiful, one shape at a time...

I think more specifics are needed. How lil meat are we talking about... 3 inches, 2 inches... XD

(to quote earlier post, someone had to)

3 inches = Corvette
2 inches = Lamborgini
1 inch = might as well give it up and drive a pink Mary Kay Cadillac

Or wait, not that kinda meat?

a lot of people have posted some good stuff. Something about the musculature. I like muscles, but not overdone. A lot of this is the fault of the skinmakers, with the horrid cheesy sixpack look - but there are some people who have done some good male skins that are reasonable muscled but not overdone (the Definition version from Lost Thereian and Chip Midnight's male skins are two such really good examples of male skins which look good without looking like caracatures.)

A lot of the male skins make or break the shapes, I have found, and there's not much selection I know.

"Talk" as in threads like these. And no, I don't talk about other people's avies inworld, heh. I coudln't care less. But when your boobs are unnaturally huge and floating about your neck and it's the first thing another person can even notice, well.... You built the avie. But I have no idea what 75 looks like on the slider, offhand, honestly, because I've never spend much time up there.

Do what makes you happy. Peace.

Actually over in Caledon, more people seem minded to make their avatars a more normal height. The men are more average built, and to be quite honest I think Caledon boasts the best looking male avatars I've seen anywhere in SL, in both build and dress. Women seem to follow suit, as who wants to tower over their male companions I don't.

And my shape fits the style, I fit right in. It's not even that people are "too polite" - the reaction to my avatar shape has been extremely good in this game. Heck, my avatar shapes/rigs have been ripped off in other games - I suppose that's the highest form of flattery. (although I wasn't flattered when people sold my work and claimed it as theirs!)

I actually *do* know what I am doing, when it comes to building shapes. You can accuse my female avatars and 3d figures of being a little on the fat side with some addition of some Frazetta inspired musculature, and perhaps some inspiration from the Druuna comics, but nobody has ever accused them of being childlike. Druuna for example, is short and buxom - only a seriously sick mind could accuse that figure of looking like a child. I really would suggest such a person to get psychiatric counseling if they see a child in that sort of figure!

To look childlike, the av must have childlike proportions. Moving the scale slider on a child model larger is only going to make an enormous child av, not an adult, and vice versa - an adult av made smaller with the scale slider is only going to look like a tiny adult av, and nothing more. Poser models for example are incredibly tiny - they didnt turn into a child because someone had the stupid idea back at Fractal Design over a decade ago to make them microsmall! (this is another pet peeve of mine, when importing them to a regular 3d app - they have to be resized about a thousand percent to be of a workable size in external renderers.)



I know. I've had to raise the height on the ceiling to accomodate the cameras at least I can get away with that in a victorian house where high ceilings are normal. But furniture, I don't want to cater to seven foot tall avies. I've compromised all I feel obligated to, regarding that. They'll fit a reasonably sized man, but if someone's legs are overlong, sorry they might be stuck in the floor hehe.



hehe, you're the same height as me then, in SL... heels I top out at 5 foot 11, and without them I am about 5 foot 7. It's not amazingly short, its just amazingly short compared to seven foot plus tall avatars. Which I consider to be amazingly too tall and I refuse to be like them, because I think it's not fitting the SL scale and I am not given to sheeplike behaviour.

Really my shape work is based off photographs, and I have more than one shape, depending on clothing I wear. If I am in a period dress, I have a shape for that which mimics a corset - which would have been worn with such dresses (indeed impossible to wear such dresses without one and they don't look right without it), if I am wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I have a shape for that too, that lets out the waist and drops the breasts. Jeans and a t-shirt looks strange with a corset shape, I agree. Lots of people wear corset shapes with jeans and t-shirts though, and so they look like barbie dolls That shape is not weird looking in a period dress - it all depends on context. (and your underwear - to be more specific)

They're not unnaturally huge, actually, not on my avatar. Which is why I am talking about it. I did wonder how much people have actually played with the sliders, thanks for confirming it. Because I did work a while to make a buxom avatar, so I know you can push that slider up quite a bit past 30, and still look ok.

But much beyond 75 and it doesn't look right, the breasts start to look geometric because of the lack of geometry there. Also its not just the size, its the gravity settings. The breasts will not get up around someone's neck unless they change the gravity settings, no matter how big they are.

My peeve is that some seem to think only small is good, and that's not true. Small is good, large is good, just make them fit. I don't really care what someone does with their av, actually, its just painful to see bad proportion. But then I don't have to look. (and I don't, most of the time - just voicing opinion that large breast size is not the most evil thing out there when it comes to SL avatars)

take care.

I don't think it's large breasts people are talking about though, Hypatia. It's people who push the slider up as far as it can go and then keep them elevated on top of it, heh. As I said I have big ones in rl, so I'm last person who would diss big boobs. When I did try making mine bigger for a while, I added some gravity and made the proportionate, which is obviously what you are describing. I think we were digging a bit at those who have no sense of proportion or gravity, heh. But, hey, if it makes them happy, it's their SL.

For one thing, please get prim hair or spend enough time with the Linden hair sliders so you don't end up with either a mullet or a baldspot ON THE SIDE OF YOUR HEAD. Also, please make the head proportional to the body. I don't mind a hunky bod, but the tiny lil heads atop broad shoulders bother me something fierce. I keep thinking of Beetlejuice whenever I see a guy like that.

While I don't wear corsets in RL or SL I've experimented with having different shapes for different clothes - so having a bit more gravity on the breasts if you are not wearing a bra for example. Also one of my skin makers (Joannah Cramer of Pixel Deep) has a pack which simulates the effect of a push-up bra on a lower cut top, it creates a bit more shading around the breasts to get the right push-up look.

I've read about other women creating special slender-hipped avies for use when wearing dresses on the theory that SL skirts make your ass and hips look huge but I haven't gone that far, I accept that my avie has wide hips

The other funny thing I have noted is some women's complete aversion to the "saddlebags" slider - purely on the basis of the name, yet some careful use of this can create a nicer curve around the hips.

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I did some measuring in SL with a prim to determin "real" sizes and set my AV to my RL height of 6'1" and *I* feel short. Same with a female friend of mine who set her height to 5'10", which IRL is actually on the tall side for a woman.

I also set about replicating a room from my real house (To aid in rearanging the furniture virtually to see how it looked before having to move it physically.) in SL, and it made me realize just how oversized everything in SL really is.

It's not a big room, but replicated to scale in SL (I went around and measured everything IRL then used those settings to size prims.) it looks incredibly tiny.

Personally, I blame the camera views for this. Setting a ceiling height on a building anywhere below 6m is asking to have a miserable time just trying to use it with the standard camera heights, is just asking to be miserable, and our avs really *aren't* that good at navigating in confined spaces...putting that together starts leading to bigger furniture and bigger avs.

I think a great idea would be to have a height indicator in your avatar editor, both in feet/inches and in centimeters.

i completely agree, hafl the time i either feel like an amazon or like a really short person.. sigh

I'd like to see us have the ability to make much much shorter avatars and still keep the similar ratios we have now as the "Linden Norm" avatar. Am I making sence here?

I'd like Des to be the height of many of your avatar's knees, but still remain in proportion. I want the tiny fairie look. Think, tinkerbell.

that would be so cute, and you could simply fly everywhere, ohhh and with those sparkles all over you!

You know I had a shorter male AVI for a good while but I got tired of everyone towering over me, especially the girls and having to deal with "short" comments so I use a 100% height shape-same as most guys in game.

To the posters saying males don't have much selection that is bunk, it is out there, it just takes more work to find the quality from the average, but it is there.

And finally, I'd love to see some better shapes, but if you do shapes, they need to work with the top male skins out there-not gonna mention makers here but the problem is fitting the skins to the shape in a lot of cases, some skins work and some don't. And most guys aren't gonna spend hours working with appearence slider like you girls do, we just don't care that much.

I like KAZANGAS!!

Thanks.

This is something that I've been saying to friends in-world for quite a while, after seeing so many noobies coming around with their breast slider completely maxed out.

Seriously, I'm not down on anybody for having large breasts, it's more the perception that bigger (And biggest.) is just automaticaly best, and that there are people who aparently don't even think consider other proportions or anything before yanking that slider all the way to the right.

I've worked with a fair number of newbies in the time I've been in the game and they almost all have seemed a lot happier after they've been helped to make their AV more proportional and realistic, even when that meant moving that breast slider a bit to the left. (Particularly after having it pointed out to them just how lumpy 100% breasts look in SL.)

I just have some issues with the common mentality that seems to cause so many people to rip that slider all the way to the right first thing, as if that's how the maximum level of atractiveness and value for a female av can be achieved. By making ones breasts larger than one's head.

I actually sprained my jaw trying to get my mouth around a D cup once. 0.0

Couldn't chew anything harder than jello for weeks.

I like how you assume that every female character with large breasts have them because they want to appeal to you.

First of all: Some people recreate themselves, and said people may have large breasts.
Second: These "girls" with huge bazooms you speak of are most likely guys who like big ones.
Third: Some girls may actually want a well-endowed character.

Maybe someone should start a thread on Male AVs and their "Duffelbags." I mean, to fill out pants like that.. Ouch.

But then, SL is a virtual world. A lot of people are here to enjoy themselves and have a 'life' that they are, for one reason or another, unable to have in real life. There's little point to playing a life you find ideal with a form you find to be less than ideal. I believe that the vast majority of people in SL wear AVs that they themselves like primarily, with attacting others as a secondary concern.