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Rusholme Malone
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07-05-2006 13:48
From: Billybob Goodliffe
As for the historic sites in England, yeah yall have only been around for 500 some odd years longer than the US.


Single small villages in parts of England have more 16th-century buildings than the whole of North America.
Nyoko Salome
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07-05-2006 14:17
From: Briana Dawson
oh another thing, being "the strongest country in the world", has not relation with the moral backbone of this country.

Morality and fairness have nothing to do with foreign policy.


which may be why... 'Britons tire of cruel, vulgar US'... really, if action/reaction is just for physics...
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-05-2006 14:36
From: Rusholme Malone
Single small villages in parts of England have more 16th-century buildings than the whole of North America.

and your point being? The US as you know wasn't even around in the 16th, aside from Spanish Florida. You forget that the first permanent British colony is america wasn't till 1607. I'm glad you could elaborate on Englands landscapes, however you still didn't address the fact that the are small by comparison. I reiterate, Great Britian is smaller than the state of Oregon. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html
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07-05-2006 14:43
From: Billybob Goodliffe
and your point being? The US as you know wasn't even around in the 16th, aside from Spanish Florida. You forget that the first permanent British colony is america wasn't till 1607. I'm glad you could elaborate on Englands landscapes, however you still didn't address the fact that the are small by comparison. I reiterate, Great Britian is smaller than the state of Oregon. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html



Ya know --there were buildings and stuff here before the white man showed up and burned them down.


Just sayin'
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-05-2006 14:47
From: Kendra Bancroft
Ya know --there were buildings and stuff here before the white man showed up and burned them down.


Just sayin'

and there were native peoples in England before the Romans, point being?
Alex Fitzsimmons
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07-05-2006 14:48
*sigh*

Blah blah blah "better life" blah blah.

The important thing, the thing that few seem to get, is where this "better life" is coming from. How do you think the groceries you buy at the supermarket get there? Where do you think the plastic bags you use and throw away come from? What do you think powers the grossly inefficient thing we call suburbia? How does gas get into the pumps to power the daily fleet of SUVs?

The difference between our present state of gross, gorging overconsumption and our impending state of desperate shortage boils down to the availability of cheap, abundant energy. That's the secret of "American ingenuity and prosperity," and it's also the secret of our coming hardship. It's going to spell hardship for the rest of the industrialized world as well, but we're probably the least prepared of all. We're basically a country weaned and almost founded on cheap oil, coal and natural gas, so we never really built the infrastructure to support living any other way.
Rusholme Malone
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07-05-2006 14:58
From: Billybob Goodliffe
I reiterate, Great Britian is smaller than the state of Oregon.


What the hell does that have to do with the price of fish?

Size isn't everything. Unless you're a Yank, evidently.
Nyoko Salome
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07-05-2006 15:01
From: Briana Dawson
...especially in light of the Iraq issue.


you mean this?

Rape allegations create growing uproar in Iraq
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/07/rape-allegations-create-growing-uproar.html

don't worry; america will forget about it by 'must-see tv'. (but they won't.)

From: Briana Dawson
We rock.

Briana Dawson


no we don't, briana dawson.

we're now past being metaphorically raping and pillaging to the literal. aside from all the freakin' lying over W's Mad Delusions...

well, the pillaging wasn't so metaphorical. they've got oil. fuck 'em if their asses aren't sitting on top of an oilfield. oppressed people living in countries without resources don't deserve freedom.

don't go turning your 'moral compass' on and off regarding whether said victims has got the goods, and expect any gratitude in return.
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Kendra Bancroft
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07-05-2006 15:02
From: Billybob Goodliffe
and there were native peoples in England before the Romans, point being?



lots of pre-roman structures still in Britain, lots of native people too.

What's YOUR point?
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07-05-2006 15:26
From: Billybob Goodliffe
do not base your opinion of the US on LA, you should travel around the country and experience other regions outside of Cali. I wouldn't raise my children anywhere else than here in the US, and I have traveled the globe some. The only place that I could ever see myself living, besides the US, is Australia, Britian is way down the list.

I enjoy 2 months worth of time off here, healthcare is wonderful you just get it through your employer instead of the government. You say Britian has more beautiful countryside? Your entire country is smaller than the State of Oregon. So those beautiful landscapes seem very large now? As for the historic sites in England, yeah yall have only been around for 500 some odd years longer than the US. You also lived in one of the newest sections of our country. Come down here to the South or up in the Northeast if you want US historical sites.

I don't mean to rant, but you've misjudged our country based on living in LA, ever been to Atlanta? or Charlotte? or PRE-hurricane New Orleans? They are great places to live and raise children, I know I've done it.


Good points- and I won't disagree about the fact there is some beautiful scenery around the US - yes I have travelled around a large part of the US and there is some breathtaking countryside, there is also a large variation from State to State. Yes Britain is pocket sized compared to the US, but for me personally I find more to do in a smaller area.

Since returning to the UK some 10 years ago I have been back to the U.S four times.
I particularly enjoy North American history and was very impressed in my last vist two years ago by the Civil War battlefields I visited - especially Vicksburg, very well preserved and maintained. I also enjoyed in my last visit a self paced tour through most of the origins of modern music - Chicago, Memphis, Nashville and New Orleans. So yes for you as a North American I believe you and others have a lot to be proud about. I certainly do not want my daughter to think anything differently about the U.S. However I get frustrated with the mindset that insists that the rest of the world looks on the U.S as a shining light. I don't believe that other countries look on Britain as a shining light either.

As I have said, although I am extremely critical of the current administration in the U.S. I have faith in Americans - people in the U.S are very good at learning from mistakes and in the long run I think the whole masquerade ball of U.S politics in it's current guise will fall apart.

Let's face it, we all feel at home in the place of our birth, and our preferences are personal and subjective. I love Scotland, the land of my birth, but I fully respect the preferences of others.
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07-05-2006 15:31
From: Machman Lineker
Good points- and I won't disagree about the fact there is some beautiful scenery around the US - yes I have travelled around a large part of the US and there is some breathtaking countryside, there is also a large variation from State to State. Yes Britain is pocket sized compared to the US, but for me personally I find more to do in a smaller area.

Since returning to the UK some 10 years ago I have been back to the U.S four times.
I particularly enjoy North American history and was very impressed in my last vist two years ago by the Civil War battlefields I visited - especially Yorktown, very well preserved and maintained. I also enjoyed in my last visit a self paced tour through most of the origins of modern music - Chicago, Memphis, Nashville and New Orleans. So yes for you as a North American I believe you and others have a lot to be proud about. I certainly do not want my daughter to think anything differently about the U.S. However I get frustrated with the mindset that insists that the rest of the world looks on the U.S as a shining light. I don't believe that other countries look on Britain as a shining light either.

As I have said, although I am extremely critical of the current administration in the U.S. I have faith in Americans - people in the U.S are very good at learning from mistakes and in the long run I think the whole masquerade ball of U.S politics in it's current guise will fall apart.

Let's face it, we all feel at home in the place of our birth, and our preferences are personal and subjective. I love Scotland, the land of my birth, but I fully respect the preferences of others.

lol the only thing I disagree with in this whole post, Yorktown was a Revolutionary War battle not a US Civil War site.
Billybob Goodliffe
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07-05-2006 15:32
From: Kendra Bancroft
lots of pre-roman structures still in Britain, lots of native people too.

What's YOUR point?

really can you name one besides Stonehenge?
Flavian Molinari
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07-05-2006 15:41
From: steve Mahfouz
/sarcasm off
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LONDON (AFP) - People in Britain view the United States as a vulgar, crime-ridden society obsessed with money and led by an incompetent president whose
Iraq policy is failing, according to a newspaper poll.

<snip>



US is exactly that. What's your point?
Garoad Kuroda
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07-05-2006 15:42
From: Machman Lineker
Hmm I just had to respond to this as I seem to be the only non-American in this sandbox!

I spent 9 years in the US, and overall I love the US for it's idealism and positivity - but as for saying that it is "the number one country to move to if you want a better life for yourself and your children" what complete and utter tosh!!!

How can you be so blind to the notion that most of the world choose not to live in the US??
I know your tone is playful, but you do seem to have a very naive view of how other countries and cultures view the US.

I left the United States to return to the UK for a better life for my daughter - how does that fit in with your world view?

Oh I get it, I must be a bleeding heart liberal right so my views don't count??

And yes the Daily Telegraph has the UK view on the US role in current events spot on.

Beacon of hope??? - not anymore


I was speaking in a sort of teasing tone here, no one country is "#1" or "better" than all others, of course. But seriously speaking now, the US probably is one of, if not the, best place to immigrate to if you're from a 3rd or 2nd world country. One of the biggest reasons I can say this with confidence is, putting it bluntly, the US economic powerhouse consistently blows Europe's economy away. I'm no economic expert, but it's probably the most efficient and competitive economy in the world, alongside with Japan. The US is a "beacon of hope" to anyone on the waiting list to leave countries with shit economies or oppressive governments.

I could agree that the US is no longer a beacon of hope for Europeans, for a number of reasons, but whatever.

I believe I do understand that Europeans are snobs for the most part, and how they view the US as "inferior" and "backwards". Whatever... I'm talking about the people in countries that aren't terribly nice places to live, you know, the ones trying to get to the US in mass numbers. (Who I believe are really important, in fact KEY, to the economic and cultural strength and growth of the US.)

There was some comment about morals too... uh.. compared to Europe? I thought the US was a nation of "prudes"? Now the US is immoral too? Which is it? Not really sure how that works... All I know is that in a side by side comparison, socially speaking, Europe is the slutty continent with the lack of restraint and personal responsibilities, not the US.
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
Warda Kawabata
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07-05-2006 15:43
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henge

Plenty of them apart from Stonehenge.
Machman Lineker
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07-05-2006 15:45
From: Billybob Goodliffe
lol the only thing I disagree with in this whole post, Yorktown was a Revolutionary War battle not a US Civil War site.


LOL Oh Bugger!!! Well I ought to put more descriptions on my snapshots!! LOL

I meant Vicksburg!!! although Yorktown was besieged in the Civil War as well!!

I must be getting old - it was only two years ago I went there!
Magnum Serpentine
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07-05-2006 15:48
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So tell me... in specifics, how the patriot act has affected your lifestyle, please note if you changed your lifestyle based on perception then thats your own fault. I want to know how these laws have physically bulled into your life and made ________ worse for you.....

While I don't particularly like the act myself, my life is pretty much spinning along at the same pace it has been before the act. I've had none of the "Invasions* or abuses of power heaped onto me that everyone swears up and down the "regime" is going to do.

I don't mind you being opposed to the act, I personally am myself, but acting like your life has become so miserable, and you are so put upon since it came into existence is getting rather pase, do me a favor and sing another song. Its silly assed reactionism like this on both sides that has gotten us to where we are.



Some of my friends who were going to protest the Dictator were detained for 72 hours then released and not told what they did wrong. Is that good for starters??? Never mind most of my mail has been delivered opened.
Magnum Serpentine
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07-05-2006 15:53
From: Billybob Goodliffe
do not base your opinion of the US on LA, you should travel around the country and experience other regions outside of Cali. I wouldn't raise my children anywhere else than here in the US, and I have traveled the globe some. The only place that I could ever see myself living, besides the US, is Australia, Britian is way down the list.

I enjoy 2 months worth of time off here, healthcare is wonderful you just get it through your employer instead of the government. You say Britian has more beautiful countryside? Your entire country is smaller than the State of Oregon. So those beautiful landscapes seem very large now? As for the historic sites in England, yeah yall have only been around for 500 some odd years longer than the US. You also lived in one of the newest sections of our country. Come down here to the South or up in the Northeast if you want US historical sites.

I don't mean to rant, but you've misjudged our country based on living in LA, ever been to Atlanta? or Charlotte? or PRE-hurricane New Orleans? They are great places to live and raise children, I know I've done it.



Unfortunatly Los Angeles is one of the better areas of the United States. Most other areas between New York City and the California border are far far far WORST.

I am glad people have been able to move to United Kingdom. Their lifestyle has changed for the better.
Magnum Serpentine
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07-05-2006 15:55
From: Billybob Goodliffe
and your point being? The US as you know wasn't even around in the 16th, aside from Spanish Florida. You forget that the first permanent British colony is america wasn't till 1607. I'm glad you could elaborate on Englands landscapes, however you still didn't address the fact that the are small by comparison. I reiterate, Great Britian is smaller than the state of Oregon. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html



Who cares how big the nation is, At least they do not have a Dictator. And besides most of the scenery in the United States is filled with Urban Sprawl.
Garoad Kuroda
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07-05-2006 15:58
From: Magnum Serpentine
Unfortunatly Los Angeles is one of the better areas of the United States.


hahaha :D

Yeah, I'm really roughing it here, I wish I could go to LA, but I can't afford the high price of the smog mask filters.
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
Kendra Bancroft
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07-05-2006 15:59
From: Billybob Goodliffe
really can you name one besides Stonehenge?



of course I can.

In Cornwall alone I can name dozens.
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Garoad Kuroda
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07-05-2006 16:01
From: Kendra Bancroft
of course I can.

In Cornwall alone I can name dozens.


From memory? Wow... no offense intended honestly, but maybe you should get out more. :confused:
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
Kendra Bancroft
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07-05-2006 16:04
From: Garoad Kuroda
From memory? Wow... no offense intended honestly, but maybe you should get out more. :confused:



former art history major and arthurian lit buff. Sorry --but I'm proud of my knowledge base.

perhaps you should pick up a book once in a blue moon.
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07-05-2006 16:23
From: Garoad Kuroda
I was speaking in a sort of teasing tone here, no one country is "#1" or "better" than all others, of course. But seriously speaking now, the US probably is one of, if not the, best place to immigrate to if you're from a 3rd or 2nd world country. One of the biggest reasons I can say this with confidence is, putting it bluntly, the US economic powerhouse consistently blows Europe's economy away. I'm no economic expert, but it's probably the most efficient and competitive economy in the world, alongside with Japan. The US is a "beacon of hope" to anyone on the waiting list to leave countries with shit economies or oppressive governments.

I could agree that the US is no longer a beacon of hope for Europeans, for a number of reasons, but whatever.

I believe I do understand that Europeans are snobs for the most part, and how they view the US as "inferior" and "backwards". Whatever... I'm talking about the people in countries that aren't terribly nice places to live, you know, the ones trying to get to the US in mass numbers. (Who I believe are really important, in fact KEY, to the economic and cultural strength and growth of the US.)

There was some comment about morals too... uh.. compared to Europe? I thought the US was a nation of "prudes"? Now the US is immoral too? Which is it? Not really sure how that works... All I know is that in a side by side comparison, socially speaking, Europe is the slutty continent with the lack of restraint and personal responsibilities, not the US.


I enjoy a good discourse, and I appreciate you picked up on my points in good humour.

I have obviously not clarified morality in my post - I wasn't thinking of morality in a sexual sense at all - How a person chooses to act sexually for me is not a moral issue but simply a matter of personal preference.

I was thinking of morality in the sense that people expect the U.S to uphold it's Constitutional Values - the statement that all are created equal. The right to free speech etc etc. I believe that a person with power over others has a moral obligation to treat those people right, and that applies to the U.S as a World Leader.

As for Europeans being snobs - there are not as many as you might think! I spent three weeks this year in the Philippines with my girlfriend living in her family's village where the average income is about $50 a month, but the people there are the richest in spirit I have come across! I have no time for snobbery.
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07-05-2006 17:28
From: Magnum Serpentine
Unfortunatly Los Angeles is one of the better areas of the United States. Most other areas between New York City and the California border are far far far WORST.

I am glad people have been able to move to United Kingdom. Their lifestyle has changed for the better.

you really need to climb out from under that rock of yours, go to a park or something. I could tell you of dozens of places where the only "urban sprawl" you'll see is a barn or two. If you like the UK so much, move there. Nothing is stopping you, oh wait you'd rather preach on your "situation" than actually do something to change it.
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