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MadamG Zagato
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02-05-2006 14:56
I need some ideas. How do you start an argument with someone who avoids arguing? How can you really piss someone off and make it not seem intentional?
Cid Jacobs
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02-05-2006 15:06
From: MadamG Zagato
I need some ideas. How do you start an argument with someone who avoids arguing? How can you really piss someone off and make it not seem intentional?

Rl or SL?
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Chance Abattoir
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02-05-2006 15:14
From: MadamG Zagato
I need some ideas. How do you start an argument with someone who avoids arguing? How can you really piss someone off and make it not seem intentional?


Question 1: What's the subject? :D

Question 2: Say exactly what will most gratify your ego and your need to be right.

You can also belittle someone without overtly calling them out- question their authority, competence, or intelligence by using euphemisms and general pronouns in place of direct or proper ones. That kind of approach really eats at people when they have a moment alone to think about it because it mightn't have been enough to provoke them at the time, but they'll resent the fact that they should've done something and didn't.
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MadamG Zagato
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02-05-2006 15:18
From: Cid Jacobs
Rl or SL?

RL
Cid Jacobs
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02-05-2006 15:19
From: MadamG Zagato
RL

Just start off with something like "I don't remember asking you a damn thing." when they tell you something, anything. And then follow up on it and manufacture a lot of false reasoning and pretense of hatred. That should do the trick pretty well :}
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MadamG Zagato
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02-05-2006 15:21
From: Chance Abattoir
Question 1: What's the subject? :D

No subject in particular. Just in general passing or casual conversation.

From: Chance Abattoir
Question 2: Say exactly what will most gratify your ego and your need to be right.

You can also belittle someone without overtly calling them out- question their authority, competence, or intelligence by using euphemisms and general pronouns in place of direct or proper ones. That kind of approach really eats at people when they have a moment alone to think about it.


Got an example?:)
Chance Abattoir
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02-05-2006 15:21
Heh. This thread needs a name change: "Troll tips 101"
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02-05-2006 15:22
Ask my ex boyfriend, he's a pro at it.
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Ordinal Malaprop
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02-05-2006 15:23
1. Ask them something, perfectly innocently and as non-confrontationally as you can manage.

2. Respond to their opinion, but get it wrong, so that you're actually responding to something different.

3. They say "no, no, that's not what I meant, I said X, that's not what I said" and try to clarify.

4. Go back to step 2 based on their "clarification".

This annoys people more than anything, as long as they're the discursive type and don't know the trick.
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02-05-2006 15:23
From: MadamG Zagato

Got an example?:)


I would, but somebody might not be able to understand it.
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Cid Jacobs
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02-05-2006 15:25
From: Chance Abattoir
I would, but somebody might not be able to understand it.

What are you trying to say, I am stupid? :mad:
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02-05-2006 15:27
From: Cid Jacobs
What are you trying to say, I am stupid? :mad:


No, of course not. You're a genius, everybody knows that. What I'm trying to say is that... well, it's too complicated. Nevermind.
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Cid Jacobs
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02-05-2006 15:29
From: Chance Abattoir
No, of course not. You're a genius, everybody knows that. What I'm trying to say is that... well, it's too complicated. Nevermind.

Geez Chance, what's your problem? I didn't come to this thread to harassed by you. Why are you always picking on me?
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02-05-2006 15:30
From: Ordinal Malaprop

This annoys people more than anything, as long as they're the discursive type and don't know the trick.


Even worse is when someone asks you for something that demands you give a detailed explanation and then they immediately follow up your explanation with a simple phrase that shows they don't care and are completely wasting your time.

Example from my life:

Old woman to me when going somewhere: Excuse me, do you know how to get to Jefferson?

Me: (pauses to give very detailed explanation. Halfway through, her eyes glaze over.)

Old woman (immediately when I finish): Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

>_<
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Cid Jacobs
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02-05-2006 15:33
From: Chance Abattoir
Even worse is when someone asks you for something that demands you give a detailed explanation and then they immediately follow up your explanation with a simple phrase that shows they don't care and are completely wasting your time.

Example from my life:

Old woman to me when going somewhere: Excuse me, do you know how to get to Jefferson?

Me: (pauses to give very detailed explanation. Halfway through, her eyes glaze over.)

Old woman (immediately when I finish): Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

>_<

I wouldv'e prbly punched the old woman, I know that's really mean, but it wouldv'e been instinct. :p
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02-05-2006 15:33
From: Cid Jacobs
Geez Chance, what's your problem? I didn't come to this thread to harassed by you. Why are you always picking on me?


Hey, I didn't single you out. If you think I'm picking on you, then that's a personal issue to be worked out between you and a qualified professional.
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02-05-2006 15:34
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I wouldv'e prbly punched the old woman, I know that's really mean, but it wouldv'e been instinct. :p


Believe me... same instinct. I immediately turned around and walked briskly away without pausing.
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02-05-2006 15:35
From: Chance Abattoir
Hey, I didn't single you out. If you think I'm picking on you, then that's a personal issue to be worked out between you and a qualified professional.

So now I need psychiatric help? Oh, Mr. High and Mighty! Who do you think you are, I just can't stand you always attacking anyone with a viewpoint in this forum! :mad:
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02-05-2006 15:36
From: Chance Abattoir
Believe me... same instinct. I immediately turned around and walked briskly away without pausing.

lol, how did you manage to keep from punching her, I mean she was old, it wouldv'e been pretty easy right?....

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02-05-2006 15:37
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So now I need psychiatric help? Oh, Mr. High and Mighty! Who do you think you are, I just can't stand you always attacking anyone with a viewpoint in this forum! :mad:


I know female hormones cause people to act absurd during that time of the month, so I'll be nice and not reprimand you for your uncontrollable outburst.
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02-05-2006 15:38
From: Chance Abattoir
I know female hormones cause people to act absurd during that time of the month, so I'll be nice and not reprimand you for your uncontrollable outburst.

WHAT!!! How dare you! You make me so angry sometimes I just don't know how I can still talk to you! :mad: :mad:
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02-05-2006 15:39
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lol, how did you manage to keep from punching her, I mean she was old, it wouldv'e been pretty easy right?....


Hehe. I generally keep my interpersonal emotional outbursts on a tight leash because I don't want to become my mother. But that doesn't mean I won't work out my frustrations on a dumpster or steel door.
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Cid Jacobs
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02-05-2006 15:40
From: Chance Abattoir
Hehe. I generally keep my interpersonal emotional outbursts on a tight leash because I don't want to become my mother. But that doesn't mean I won't work out my frustrations on a dumpster or steel door.

Got ya, but wrinkly flesh would prbly have been so much more fun :p
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02-05-2006 15:41
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WHAT!!! How dare you! You make me so angry sometimes I just don't know how I can still talk to you! :mad: :mad:


Because you're undeniably attracted to me.
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02-05-2006 15:41
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Got ya, but wrinkly flesh would prbly have been so much more fun :p


But steel doors fight back.
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