National Guard to Mexican Border

NPR has been following the immigration debate and had a flurry of stories today probably prompted by the Bush annoucement that will be televised tonight. They have been running stories consistantly for the entire time (see the links below).



NPR stories on the immigration debate

I especially think this one: Legal U.S. Entry Options for Unskilled Workers is a good listen.

We need to do something to stem the flow of illegal immigration and it needs to address the real causes. Securing the border is one piece of the puzzle, but that alone will not be very effective.

For starters it needs to be easier to enter the country legally than to do it illegally.

But I was under the impression that much of the National Guard was already assigned elsewhere.

When you say "easier to enter the country"

do you mean to earn citizenship? or did you mean something else?

Americans are soft! In Japan we send them to prison! For your information Mexico sends the people who are illegally in their country to prison as well. Why should they expect preferential treatment of their citizens?

I agree that the US has a right to block, deport, or arrest illegal immigrants. However, if you suggest that in these forums, someone like Alazarin Mondrian will call you a racist xenophobe.

Most reasonable people agree that the US does not adequately protect the border with Mexico. The current debate should begin with the question "How do we want to mangae the border." After that, discussions about guest worker programs, immigration process streamlining, deportation, etc can begin.

Yes, the fear of outsiders is well noted for being a cultural norm in Japan. The news stories about how foreigners legally in the country get treated are appalling enough. My favorite example being from an NPR story a few years back where a club called “Internationals” had a sign saying “No Foreigners.” That would be in no way legal in the US, yet is so in Japan.

In short, while there are many great things about Japan, I don’t think we should be learning how to treat non-citizens from them.

Because we are a civilized, compassionate people and know the difference between right and wrong.

I have no problems with letting illegal immigrants in!

Why should we make them pay taxes when we can cover the extra cost?

Why not let them have cheap/free health care? - All americans have cheap health care!

Who cares what criminal background they may have had- they can make a fresh start here! Right next door to your family! Drug lords, Rapists & Murderers are people too!!

Let them have jobs here- there's TONS of jobs to go around! We all have PhD's, we dont need lesser jobs.

Who cares if any of them carry any virus, disease, bacteria that no one has a defence against? We're America!!! We can cure anything! We're all vaccinated against everything!

Um, weren't the hi-jackers during 9/11 here under false citizenship? We took care of it by declaring war on their country to teach them a lesson!

Dont know why people would be concerned.



Note: hopefully someone catches on to the sarcasm.

There are legal ways to enter Japan and discrimination is illegal in Japan. I think the way for the United States to get rid of "illegal immigrants" is to jail and fine those that employ them. Say one year in jail and a one million dollar fine for each worker caught. Then make it possible for people to be able to enter the country legally once the proper paperwork was done.

Remember if the law becomes usless about imigration it is not a long way to go before all of the laws become worthless. Laws are only worth something if people respect amd obey them.

The only question is that once the illegals become the majority will they have compassion for you the new minority?

RO-fucking-FL. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Apparently we have a better grasp on reality as well.

No.

Army Times

From: someone

Nationally, 78,000 of the 437,000 members of the Guard force are serving overseas.

As part of the transformation during the war effort, the National Guard has promised governors that at least 50 percent of soldiers and airmen will be available for stateside duty at all times. In most cases, the rate is well above 50 percent.
The National Guard is employed/deployed and run by States with the occasional federal service obligation upon request by the Feds to the States. But there are plenty of Guardsmen available for a +/- 10,000 man border security task.

Oh, I forgot to mention while there is a law there is just no penality.

Who is unconcerned? Even illegal immigrants are saying that the system is broken and needs to be fixed, or did you not hear about the marches that brought all this to national spotlight?

Makes not a jot of difference. Legislation doesn't make discrimination go away, it just makes it more difficult to overtly practice.

We shaw see hapt happens, perhaps the United States of the future will be the happy place that it is today? I hope that this will be true

In Japan our population is contining to decline and we are devolping robots to do a lot of "menial" jobs. In America you are letting people come into your country almost without restriction to fill these jobs. Both of our countries are going to have and live with the outcome of our policies.

I know my "golden" years will be spent in Okinawa. I will probally have multiple robot friends to help me in day to day life. Wonder what second life will be like in 50 years?

As far as I know it is only a few clubs that do this. Also some landlords don’t want to rent to foreigners since so may of them are noisy and do not follow the rules. They refuse to separate the garbage, etc.



In other words, the practice is not very widespread. My family, friends and myself do not discriminate against anyone because of their background. I do not know anyone that would do such.

One word. Burakumin.

the problem with jailing them is, we'd have to pay to feed/clothe/house the dumbasses for the whole time they are in jail, this puts an even BIGGER tax burden on the rest of us. now i have a simplke solution to the border crossings, landmines ;P now I have no problem with immigrants coming in LEGALLY, in fact I applaud it, they are just trying to improve thier lot in life. however i think if you are an illegal in this country you should maybe be sent to Cuba. (NOT GUANTONAMO) we are sending Cuban's back why not send Mexican's there, just to piss off Castro.

Is that what it was about? I thought it was Cinqo De Mayo or something

Are you trying to derail the thread? If not, then a nice or [sarcasm][/sarcasm] or some other emote to let us know your intentions would be nice.

So, for all intents and purposes, it is legal.



Conversations take many twist and turns and gluing the train to the tracks means it doesn’t go anywhere.

It's ludicrous. Repeal NAFTA and lean on Vincente Fox to fix his highly polarized economy.

Currently the Mexican economy relies on influx of USA money in order to stay afloat. The reason is the encouragement of a huge disparity between the classes. People are blaming poor Mexicans with no choice but to come here. It sickens me.

Make it illegal for Corporations to pay below market wages, and strengthen the labor unions on BOTH sides of the border.


THAT's how you fix the problem --not some dumb ass fence and soldiers with bang bang sticks.

The Mexicians need to fix their own house. It would not be correct for a another country to interfere in their internal affairs. However it seems strange with all of their oil wealth that the people are so poor. Blaming others for ones own problems does not solve a thing! Somehow I do not think that if Mexico nationalized all of the companies assets within Mexico it would solve their internal problems. The Mexicans have to solve their own problems.