Let's see if I understand your point of view...

Mmmmm ... possibly after the doo-doo really hits the fan, but that's more likely to be total chaos than an organized war.

But who knows? I guess we'll find out soon enough. "May you live in interesting times," as the ancient curse goes.

I support our country and the president as the head of one of the branches of goverment. If Ms Clinton or who ever gets elected President I would support them in the same way. You really need to think things over. We are not "fanatical Bush supporters" but supporters of these United States of America. It is the oath I have sworn to protect and defend and this includes you!
The American experiment in still in progress! hooah!!!

hmm and were did you swear this?

So if you cant win at the ballet box you will use force? It has been tried before and it will fail again.

hmm do you know my position on anything?

Figures you would not know this. " I Ranma Tardis do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God!"

lovely since you aren't President.

I could care less................... I am willing to defend my position before my country!

I am willing to defend this country before myself. Infact I have served this country.

Yes, against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I know that oath. One reason (among many) that I chose not to re-enlist was that I realized I couldn't truly honor that oath because the worst enemies are domestic and also control the military. I am not kidding, and I'm not exaggerating for effect.

You know nothing, this oath is more than just for the president. You are not a part of the US goverment that is for sure. Otherwise you would know better!

I KNOW THE OATH, I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE where were you in 1985? I was in basic training at Paris Island SC. I even postponed my wedding till after Basic. Where were you in 1991 while I was in Saudia Arabia and then Kuwait, I missed both my sons birthday's that year. Where were you in 1999? I was in Kosovo, and missed both birthdays and an anniversary that year. I have done my part for my country, so before you think I am unamerican, know who you are talking to.

Then go to Canada and live with all of those who love Americans. You really know nothing. I also serve the people of the United States and in more than one way! I am not a member of the Presidents party. I am an American! hooah!!

Too bad, I am getting deployed this year in support of the War on Terrorism and will be sepereted from my family for an extended period of time.
Oh, we still need you! You can come back as Army and serve our country. Really and this is much bigger than the current President.

been there done that got the scars and the bars and well I think I'll sit this one out. Thanks for the offer. Oh you might want to read the WHOLE post before hitting the quote button

(only listing the issues I care strongly for, rewording in red)

assisted suicide -- The right to obtain help to die with dignity.

gay marriage

support for Israel and Taiwan NO MORE THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY.

elimination of all reference to GOD in Law, Government and Science classes.

higher taxes for politicians and citizens that profit from US military spending

health care, education, and drivers licenses for illegal aliens at the same costs that US citizens pay.

prosecute the US PRESIDENT in court

bury violent religious extremists in the ground (abortion clinic bombing christian types too)

I read you whole post. We have a lot in common, really! I graduated from training at Fort Rucker before you entered the Marine Corps and Jimmy Carter was the President of the United States and they hated us then as well. They really hate all of us and I know better than to let them divide us. I was on active duty in 1985 for your infomation.
I am going to be seperated from my husband and family for an extended time and this is not the first.

now for your offer, I can't come back to active duty due to health issues. Thats why I retired in the first place. Army brat

_x_ decriminalization of drugs
___ assisted suicide
___ voting rights for felons
_x_ gay marriage
___ stop all support for Israel and Taiwan**
___ complete unilateral nuclear disarmament
___ forced redistribution of wealth
___ elimination of all reference to GOD in pblic
___ normal relations with North Korea and Iran
___ complete withdrawal now from all overseas bases
___ cut US military spending by at least half
___ free health care, education, and drivers licenses for illegal aliens
___ Complete open borders
_x_ allow US citizen solders to be prosecuted in the world court
_x*_ talk with muslim extremists to find “common ground”

*Start talks with them to get them out in plain view, and then kill them all. Some may consider this a "no-ish" vote.

**Isn't agreeing to this the same as supporting a future war in Asia and agreeing to have Israel "wiped off the map"? Checking this one makes you a war monger. ha ha

You're absolutely right; I know nothing. And the fact that you can rattle off "patriotic" one-liners with exclamation points proves it.

If you're willing to support a president no matter corrupt he or she is, you are not supporting the country, you're simply willing to be a pawn so you don't have to think about what the government is actually doing so you can -claim- to be supportive of the United States. When government officials become corrupt, the people who speak against government atrocities are more patriotic than those stuck in blind faith who are in the military (this is not to say that all people in the military are stuck in blind faith, just those that make statements like you do).

Well be lucky we are a land of laws or else you would be in JAIL. I would be very happy to do the service myself. However we are a land of laws and no matter how awful your view it is allowed. You should stop crying about how bad your country is and look at the rest of the world. If you lived in China and wrote this you wouild be making Nike sneakers in jail soon!

Ranma-

You would happily jail someone for speaking out against corrupt politicians?

Out of respect for the oppressed people of the world,
we shouldn't "stop crying about how bad our country is"...

We should yell even more loudly in protest, or our
silence will pave the road to our own oppression.

And you'd be there, happily enforcing the new laws to jail us
when we speak up outside of sanctioned "Freedom Spaces".

The U.K., the Netherlands, Germany--all of Europe, Canada--they are not China. Yes, China has an awful government, that is obvious, but China is NOT the rest of the world, it's CHINA.

You are really clueless...............I suppose this is what your hatred has done to you. No this is the land of the free and not China, Russia or Europe. If you try hard enough you can land in jail. Have you been in any anti goverment riots? burned down any evil McDonnels or Starbucks? I think you carry around your own jail, what a pitty.
You are in the most free country in the world and yell oppression. This is very sad...........