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Hi, Briana. You surprised me with this one. I'm interested to know your reasons? Just curious.
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08-02-2006 11:50
Hi, Briana. You surprised me with this one. I'm interested to know your reasons? Just curious. _____________________
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Briana Dawson
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08-02-2006 12:39
Hi, Briana. You surprised me with this one. I'm interested to know your reasons? Just curious. I just think Taiwan maintaining its independence is a conflict that the U.S. cannot afford to enter. We have given Taiwan plenty of support, too much I think. ALso, China has spent billions in this past decade to make sure that they have certain protections against U.S. military influence, especially updates in their navy. Israel is a completely different issue. Israel was also the 2nd democracy in the world, after the U.S., so I do think they are worth protecting. We also don't face the same threats helping Israel as we would helping Taipei if China decided to invade. Briana Dawson _____________________
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Lorelei Patel
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08-02-2006 12:46
I just think Taiwan maintaining its independence is a conflict that the U.S. cannot afford to enter. We have given Taiwan plenty of support, too much I think. ALso, China has spent billions in this past decade to make sure that they have certain protections against U.S. military influence, especially updates in their navy. Makes sense. Would probably suck for the Taiwanese, though. _____________________
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08-02-2006 15:22
__x_ decriminalization of drugs
The only way to have any control over drugs is to regulate them through legislation and tax the shit out of them. When they are illegal, you lose *all* control. We are fighting a war we will NEVER win. __x_ assisted suicide ___ voting rights for felons __x_ gay marriage __x_ stop all support for Israel and Taiwan (mostly for Israel) ___ complete unilateral nuclear disarmament ___ forced redistribution of wealth __x_ elimination of all reference to GOD in pblic ___ normal relations with North Korea and Iran ___ complete withdrawal now from all overseas bases ___ cut US military spending by at least half ___ free health care, education, and drivers licenses for illegal aliens ___ Complete open borders __x_ allow US citizen solders to be prosecuted in the world court ___ talk with muslim extremists to find “common ground” I answered what I could. Some of your questions are loaded, so I ignored them. How about more funding for education? Take a mere 1/8th of the military budget and spend it on education - otherwise, this country is in the toilet. _____________________
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Champie Jack
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08-02-2006 18:08
We all tend to extrapolate from a few unpleasant instances. That doesn't mean there's a real pattern of discrimination. This also depends strongly on venue. On conservative political websites, others might feel feel marginalized. First one has to determine if marginalization exists. Take Second Life. Presumably one could put up campaign stickers, pipe in a Limbaugh stream to your club, etc. Other political beliefs exist in SL, but that doesn't mean you're marginalized. I meant, "Why should we allow other peoples' beliefs to affect us if we don't have to?" Assume I go into business with someone. I'm not interested if their politics are the same as mine. Political belief isn't that good at predicting how we'll do as business partners. I wasn't referring to political views in business relationships. I was speaking about people in communities, like SL I think this thread shows that folks can act pretty damn decent to each other despite their differing views. Some, it seems have even been pleasantly surprised by how others have responded. I t's great to see that so many folks have taken the time to comment on their own views. |
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08-02-2006 18:12
I answered what I could. Some of your questions are loaded, so I ignored them. How about more funding for education? Take a mere 1/8th of the military budget and spend it on education - otherwise, this country is in the toilet. As I mentioned in another post, I didn't really create the questions, I just cut and pasted these specific issues that were part of a comments section on a blog I was reading the other day. I wasn't trying to "load" them, but I agree that some seem that way. You are welcome to add additional issues...but I think for consistency, I'll leave the original post as it is. Thanks Juro! |
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08-02-2006 18:17
Just run the gambit of X's for me will you? I can do that for you if you wish...  _X_ decriminalization of drugs _X_ _assisted suicide _X__ voting rights for felons _X__ gay marriage _X__ stop all support for Israel & Taiwan _X__ complete unilateral nuclear disarmament _X__ forced redistribution of wealth _X_ _elimination of all reference to GOD in pblic _X__ normal relations with North Korea and Iran _X__ complete withdrawal now from all overseas bases _X__ cut US military spending by at least half _X__ free health care, education, and drivers licenses for illegal aliens _X__ Complete open borders _X__ allow US citizen solders to be prosecuted in the world court _X__ talk with muslim extremists to find “common ground” |
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08-02-2006 18:26
I think this thread shows that folks can act pretty damn decent to each other despite their differing views. Some, it seems have even been pleasantly surprised by how others have responded. I t's great to see that so many folks have taken the time to comment on their own views. where's the fun in that?  _____________________
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08-02-2006 18:45
where's the fun in that? Well it is what I would expect from a anti social troll. Sigh this thread is stupid and rather insulting. Not saying so would be like saying how nice the Emperors clothes are even though he is naked. I am happy that most of the things on the list will not come true. America retreating to itself, making itself vulnerable to attack will not make the world any safer. If anything it will make a nuclear war that much more probable. Who would it be and who will start lobbing nukes at each other is unknown but Israel and Taipei will not surrender to their foes. If Japan loses it support from America it would have to develop its own "deterrent" force. If China invaded Japan the loss of life would be extreme. They would kill a lot of the population and enslave the rest. Have you not seen the picture of all of those Chinese yelling "Death to Japanese"? This thread is a silly "fell good" thread and is about America bashing rather than a chat about politics. |
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Juro Kothari
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08-02-2006 18:56
This thread is a silly "fell good" thread and is about America bashing rather than a chat about politics. America needs a good "bashing" once in a while... verbally, at least. We're not all we're cracked up to be. And no, I don't hate my country. I'm just increasing embarassed by it. _____________________
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08-02-2006 19:07
America needs a good "bashing" once in a while... verbally, at least. We're not all we're cracked up to be. And no, I don't hate my country. I'm just increasing embarassed by it. Bashing someone makes them your foe and not a friend. If you think the United States is bad why dont you go to Russia or China and start making anti goverment statements. Just see how long you stay out of jail. Here you can be anti goverment and stay out of jail there you would already be in jail. I do not understand people like you at all. |
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08-02-2006 19:20
_X__ decriminalization of drugs(criminalize ciggarettes undecided on weed I don't care what you put in YOUR body you can drink gasoline for all I care but when your putting harmful stuff in MY body. That's criminal.(undecided on weed because I don't know if a valid unbiased study exists on whether the smoke is harmful 2nd hand))
_X__ assisted suicide _X__ voting rights for felons(Assuming you mean the one's the aren't in jail or house arrest. You did your time welcome back. Your still paying? Why do you still think you deserve that right?) _X__ gay marriage ___ stop all support for Israel and Taiwan(Maybe Israel their history suggests they might be able to fend for themselves definately not Taiwan.) ___ complete unilateral nuclear disarmament(Then only rogue states would have nukes no thanks) ___ forced redistribution of wealth _X__ elimination of all reference to GOD in public(if by public you mean government I support it but consider some stuff not worth hassling over(ex money)) ___ normal relations with North Korea and Iran(Being threatened is NOT suitable in normal relations NK is waving threats to gain money Iran just hates us.) ___ complete withdrawal now from all overseas bases(These days I feel defense is better achieved by globalized force deployment.) ___ cut US military spending by at least half(Nope redirect military spending from high priced weapons that aren't helping us to paying soldiers giving them proper armor ect) ___ free health care, education, and drivers licenses for illegal aliens(No can do toss em out on their ass their illegal) ___ Complete open borders(Nope but I would favor more open borders esp in regards to immigration.) ___ allow US citizen solders to be prosecuted in the world court(FUCK NO! I would NOT want tried by a non-US court. MY elected/appointed government and/or chain of command can try me by our laws. MY constitution guarentees me a trial by MY peers. By joining the military I consent to the UCMJ which allows trial by my chain of command. If anyone else wants to try me they can defeat me and my shipmates in battle first.) _X__ talk with muslim extremists to find “common ground"  Sure I have no objection to finding common ground they all want buried in.) |
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Check any of the following issues you SUPPORT: NOTE: US Centric issues Turn about is fair play... _ Kill em All, Let God Sort em Out _ I don't care if you live in a third world country with a corrupt government where you can't find a job, don't come here looking for one. I refuse to give up 1% of my tax dollar to heal your broken arm or save your dad from having a heart attack or give your mother prenatal care so you aren't deformed at birth. And forget about going to school, if you move here you'll be doomed to a life of crime if you plan on eating, cuz we ain't givin you no jobs or no education. _ The only legal drugs should be alcohol and viagara, because I need the viagara when I'm drunk, oh, and viagara should be paid for by most health care plans but birth control shouldn't, because I need to be fruitful and propigate. _ No pulling the plug if you're in excrutiaing pain with no hope for survival, that devaluates human life. _ I don't care how old you are or how horrible you and your baby's life is going to be if you carry it to term. You made an error in judgement that night when you were drinking the alcohol I advertise to you everywhere you look, so you and your kid should have to pay for the rest of your life. Even though it's a mass of cells the size of a pin head, terminating the pregnancy devaluates human life. _ Even though many innocent people might be killed, if you're convicted of murder we should inject you with poison and watch while you spasm, choke on your own vomit and slowley die, because that doesn't devalue human life. _ Sucks to be you if you live in a country that's run by a guy who attacked us or by a guy who likes the guy that attacked us, cuz we're going to bomb you. 30,000 to 40,000 of your innocent civilians isn't enough to make up for our 3300 and 2 1/5 buildings. _ Your lovelife should be as miserable as mine, and if it isn't, you shouldn't have the same rights as me. You can get laid anytime you want because your prey is willing, I have to hunt mine down. You aren't as good as me, you don't get the same legal protections I do when it comes to taking care of your family. _ The Founding fathers didn't really mean "Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of a religion". What they really meant was "We're all christians here right? Oh bugger off Madison, pain in my ass, well, the rest of you, christian right? Ok, we're a christian nation and we should make laws protecting christian beliefs above all others." _ Just because my kid gets a limo ride to his classes at Princeton everyday doesn't mean that I should pay a little more in taxes so your kid can have a dream involving an education some day, you should pay the same percentage I do. Now get me that bread I asked for! _ A rising tide floats all boats, hope you got a boat! _ And finally.... (drum roll please) Ok, so what you're saying is that white people colonized your land and ruled over you for how long? Did you say hundreds? Hmmm, ok, then they made deals with these really rich guys and sold you into poverty so they could get your country's only natural resource?? Hmm... Then WHAT happened after World War II? They kicked millions of you out of your homes and forced you all onto a tiny peice of land and intentionally suppressed your economy and occupied your country for how long? Oh they still are? Wow, bet you're pissed.... To bad, they're white, you're not. They might not believe in Christ but they sure as hell don't believe in Allah!! Die you, you, brown person. |
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Check any of the following issues you SUPPORT: NOTE: US Centric issuesQUOTE] Turn about is fair play... _ Kill em All, Let God Sort em Out _ I don't care if you live in a third world country with a corrupt government where you can't find a job, don't come here looking for one. I refuse to give up 1% of my tax dollar to heal your broken arm or save your dad from having a heart attack or give your mother prenatal care so you aren't deformed at birth. And forget about going to school, if you move here you'll be doomed to a life of crime if you plan on eating, cuz we ain't givin you no jobs or no education. _ The only legal drugs should be alcohol and viagara, because I need the viagara when I'm drunk, oh, and viagara should be paid for by most health care plans but birth control shouldn't, because I need to be fruitful and propigate. _ No pulling the plug if you're in excrutiaing pain with no hope for survival, that devaluates human life. _ I don't care how old you are or how horrible you and your baby's life is going to be if you carry it to term. You made an error in judgement that night when you were drinking the alcohol I advertise to you everywhere you look, so you and your kid should have to pay for the rest of your life. Even though it's a mass of cells the size of a pin head, terminating the pregnancy devaluates human life. _ Even though many innocent people might be killed, if you're convicted of murder we should inject you with poison and watch while you spasm, choke on your own vomit and slowley die, because that doesn't devalue human life. _ Sucks to be you if you live in a country that's run by a guy who attacked us or by a guy who likes the guy that attacked us, cuz we're going to bomb you. 30,000 to 40,000 of your innocent civilians isn't enough to make up for our 3300 and 2 1/5 buildings. _ Your lovelife should be as miserable as mine, and if it isn't, you shouldn't have the same rights as me. You can get laid anytime you want because your prey is willing, I have to hunt mine down. You aren't as good as me, you don't get the same legal protections I do when it comes to taking care of your family. _ The Founding fathers didn't really mean "Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of a religion". What they really meant was "We're all christians here right? Oh bugger off Madison, pain in my ass, well, the rest of you, christian right? Ok, we're a christian nation and we should make laws protecting christian beliefs above all others." _ Just because my kid gets a limo ride to his classes at Princeton everyday doesn't mean that I should pay a little more in taxes so your kid can have a dream involving an education some day, you should pay the same percentage I do. Now get me that bread I asked for! _ A rising tide floats all boats, hope you got a boat! _ And finally.... (drum roll please) Ok, so what you're saying is that white people colonized your land and ruled over you for how long? Did you say hundreds? Hmmm, ok, then they made deals with these really rich guys and sold you into poverty so they could get your country's only natural resource?? Hmm... Then WHAT happened after World War II? They kicked millions of you out of your homes and forced you all onto a tiny peice of land and intentionally suppressed your economy and occupied your country for how long? Oh they still are? Wow, bet you're pissed.... To bad, they're white, you're not. They might not believe in Christ but they sure as hell don't believe in Allah!! Die you, you, brown person. Are you asking me? are these your issues? Let's see, I reject all the issues you present as they are stated here. Perhaps you are suggesting that the original issues are loaded or biased? If so, I addressed that on two occassions in the thread. I have not made a single comment about anyones responses either. I once defended myself against Nyokos suggestion that I was setting folks up for some sort of forum ambush. I hope I misundstood your post, but I think I am smart enough to recognize that you intend to start some sort of confrontation with your post. Whether you are targeting me or not is irrelevent, you should resist the urge to continue. |
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08-02-2006 20:41
Bashing someone makes them your foe and not a friend. If you think the United States is bad why dont you go to Russia or China and start making anti goverment statements. Just see how long you stay out of jail. Here you can be anti goverment and stay out of jail there you would already be in jail. I do not understand people like you at all. You seem to be one of the people who doesn't like anyone to say anything bad about the U.S., and that the only way to support your country is to be at the whim of the leaders of said country. What this thread is about is talking about the things that people think would be good to change about the country. Nothing less, nothing more. I see no problem with discussing the things one doesn't like about the country they live--it's one of the freedoms we still have, and people are going to celebrate it as much as they can as long as they are still able to. Even you have said that in some other countries, talking against the government will land you in jail--like in both the fascist/theocratic countries and the communist countries. The current administration scares the sh*t out of me as far as the amount of power it seems to flaunt around. Every year since 9-11, people have been losing more and more rights. At the rate things are going, it may not be very long before people may not have the right of dissent, people may not have the right to disagree with the government out of fear that one might be a terrorist. If -YOU- don't like the fact that people still have the right to speak poorly against the government, it is YOU that needs to move to somewhere that everyone conforms to the whim of the government. I don't think that's what you're saying, but realize the tension and hatred in the words you speak. I'm happy to live in the United States, I'm happy I live somewhere with so much potential. It seems that you have a different idea of the way to celebrate one's freedoms than myself and many others here do, and you're welcome to believe that way, but don't be telling others to leave simply because they wish some changes could be made and expect people to look at you in a positive way--it's their right to dislike your opinions as well. _____________________
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Erik Pasternak
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08-02-2006 21:08
Are you asking me? are these your issues? Let's see, I reject all the issues you present as they are stated here. Perhaps you are suggesting that the original issues are loaded or biased? I am suggesting exactly that. Your OP was presumptuous, as are most right wing attacks against liberal democrats. I was clearly pointing out the obvious bating that goes on in political rhetoric every day. Liberals are not communists or appeasers, however thinly veiled your attempt to portray us as such was. My not so thinly veiled portrayal of conservatives as heartless warmongers was, however, more honest.  |
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08-02-2006 21:40
I am suggesting exactly that. Your OP was presumptuous, as are most right wing attacks against liberal democrats. I was clearly pointing out the obvious bating that goes on in political rhetoric every day. Liberals are not communists or appeasers, however thinly veiled your attempt to portray us as such was. My not so thinly veiled portrayal of conservatives as heartless warmongers was, however, more honest. So far the only presumptuous behavior has been on your part. It seems the only true baiting that is going on is your attempt to bait me. Most people have taken the time to qualify their responses. You are welcome to do the same. I'm sure others would be delighted to read your qualified response to any of the issues. I've also agreed that some of the issues are presented in a biased way. I didn't write or rewrite the questions, I copied them from a list of questions. Perhaps I should have spent more time on reviewing them, but I didn't and now they are posted and people have been responding. Best of luck to you! Take care. |
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08-02-2006 22:03
I am suggesting exactly that. Your OP was presumptuous, as are most right wing attacks against liberal democrats. I was clearly pointing out the obvious bating that goes on in political rhetoric every day. Liberals are not communists or appeasers, however thinly veiled your attempt to portray us as such was. My not so thinly veiled portrayal of conservatives as heartless warmongers was, however, more honest. I'd suggest you take the time to actually read this thread. It's a good example of how people who disagree can talk about issues without making it personal. I think it's a step in the right direction. _____________________
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08-02-2006 22:22
I'd suggest you take the time to actually read this thread. It's a good example of how people who disagree can talk about issues without making it personal. I think it's a step in the right direction. I did, cover to cover. You threw out about a dozen issues on the table, with an obvious bias. How do you expect to not be challenged on it? I'll take you on issue for issue if that's what you want, but it isn't. You want to codify your own point of view. If you want to reword your "poll" then do so, but don't expect me to offer a bundt cake and a greeting card when your opening statement was an insult in disguise, which is exactly what conservative talking heads do when they aren't insulting people directly. I ain't a ternip an I din't just fall off th' truck mister. Oh, and show me how I made it personal? |
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08-02-2006 22:34
If you want to reword your "poll" then do so, but don't expect me to offer a bundt cake and a greeting card when your opening statement was an insult in disguise, which is exactly what conservative talking heads do when they aren't insulting people directly. In this forum, liberals are the ones doing the attacking, the name calling, the insulting, and the mocking. When I listen to radio shows hosted by liberal commentators, they're the ones doing the name calling, the insulting, and the mocking. When I listen to the conservative talk show hosts, I hear quite a bit less of all of the above. Of course, there is one national host who's intentionally inflammatory, but I don't think of him as a commentator. He's just out there trying to make some money and tick some people off. We're all less inclined to think of something of an insult when we think it's true, so it's very likely that you hear someone make an insulting comment about conservatives and you don't even think of it as insulting. Or maybe you just get the sound bites that take one or two comments out of context. Either way, when you stand back and get some perspective, it seems like the Democrats and their sympathizers are generally much more inclined to make things personal when they don't agree with someone. And yes, I know what I'm talking about. A good friend of mine is pretty much diametrically opposed in his political leanings and is constantly listening to left-wing talk shows. |
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08-02-2006 22:56
In this forum, liberals are the ones doing the attacking, the name calling, the insulting, and the mocking. When I listen to radio shows hosted by liberal commentators, they're the ones doing the name calling, the insulting, and the mocking. When I listen to the conservative talk show hosts, I hear quite a bit less of all of the above. Of course, there is one national host who's intentionally inflammatory, but I don't think of him as a commentator. He's just out there trying to make some money and tick some people off. We're all less inclined to think of something of an insult when we think it's true, so it's very likely that you hear someone make an insulting comment about conservatives and you don't even think of it as insulting. Or maybe you just get the sound bites that take one or two comments out of context. Either way, when you stand back and get some perspective, it seems like the Democrats and their sympathizers are generally much more inclined to make things personal when they don't agree with someone. And yes, I know what I'm talking about. A good friend of mine is pretty much diametrically opposed in his political leanings and is constantly listening to left-wing talk shows. Ok, give me an example, give me a quote from one of the 5 liberal talk radio shows on the air where the host engaged in name calling. Go ahead, I'll work on my direct quotes in the mean time and have them ready for you, shouldn't take me long. Oh, got some already... Author - Michael Savage - Title - "Liberalism is a Mental Disease" Author - Ann Coulter - Title "Godless: The Church of Liberalism" http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1860+ |
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08-02-2006 23:02
Ok, give me an example, give me a quote from one of the 5 liberal talk radio shows on the air where the host engaged in name calling. Go ahead, I'll work on my direct quotes in the mean time and have them ready for you, shouldn't take me long. Oh, got some already... Author - Michael Savage - Title - "Liberalism is a Mental Disease" Author - Ann Coulter - Title "Godless: The Church of Liberalism" http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1860+ I have 2 words Micheal Moore _____________________
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08-02-2006 23:06
I have 2 words Micheal Moore and? Examples of name calling? Has he deliberately attacked the arguer and not the argument? I'm listening... |
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08-02-2006 23:08
and? Examples of name calling? Has he deliberately attacked the arguer and not the argument? I'm listening... I read one of his books and he said "conservatives are a disease that are infecting our country" *note exact wording maybe off, but the context is there _____________________
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08-02-2006 23:38
I read one of his books and he said "conservatives are a disease that are infecting our country" *note exact wording maybe off, but the context is there Ok, well, I'm not even going to respond to that, you're paraphrasing, not quoting, and not bothering with sources. I don't recall Mr Moore ever comparing conservatives to a disease or infection, and I read all his books, have them on the shelf, give me a page number. |
