Has any console RPG really topped FF7?
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Susie Boffin
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12-17-2005 18:42
I sure don't know or I wouldn't be asking the question. My console experience is limited but the first RPG I ever played was FF7 and I still remember it fondly. I actually cried when Aeris died! I played some of the Suikoden ones and they were nice but not like FF7.
So when I get sick and tired of SL does anyone have any recommendations of some nice Playstation RPGs to play?
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Cid Jacobs
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12-17-2005 18:48
Personally, and I know I am in the minority here, but I think ff8 is just slightly better than ff7. By no means do I mean the story line, not that ff8s was bad, but you *can not* beat ff7s. But the junction system of ff8 always appealed to me, in fact I still play ff8 every now and then. I think the only thing it was missing was the chocobo breeding from ff7 thoguh. Still a great game. 
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Cid Jacobs
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12-17-2005 18:56
Oh and another one that is really good, though probably bout 1/2 as good as ff7, is ff9, it was a lot of eye candy and not too much story though, still fun to play 
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Torley Linden
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12-17-2005 19:01
What a brilliant, thought-provoking question. Who here hasn't seen Advent Children? 
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Susie Boffin
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12-17-2005 19:02
From: Torley Torgeson What a brilliant, thought-provoking question. Who here hasn't seen Advent Children?  I try to challenge the mind with my questions. I haven't seen it what is it?
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Yuriko Muromachi
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12-17-2005 19:26
Advent Children, the FF7 movie set a few years after the movie. Very nice, very pretty and yet I was screaming why a certain character is still alive. ("You're suppose to be dead! I saw you die!!!" It's a very pretty movie, eye candy. Don't expect it to answer any of your questions in FF7. *lol* In my opinion, the final fantasy series ended with 7. There is nothing after 7. *lol* Don't bother trying to convince me. I will never believe..neeevveeerrrrr! Games for me that impress me more than FF7: Wild ARMS and Suikoden. I'll try to remember what other games that more or less took my attention away from FF7.
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Aliasi Stonebender
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12-17-2005 19:46
Well, I think Final Fantasy Tactics topped FF7, bad engrish translation and all, but I'm biased.
Also, FFX was the first Final Fantasy since 6 that had a protagonist I didn't actually want to take outside and slap around until they pulled their head out of their rear.
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Jeffrey Gomez
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12-17-2005 20:28
Square used to be king where RPGs are concerned. My personal favorite is actually the original Crono Trigger. FF7 was good, but still fell short of the story and gameplay of this older classic. I also enjoyed FF5 (translated jap. version) and FF6 a fair bit.
FF7 and CT tie in my book for number of playthroughs, at three each. FF Tactics may also achieve that lofty goal, since I burned my copy to my laptop to play on the go (versus the GBA version I dislike).
FFT would be on this list, if not for the difference in genre. It is an "almost" RPG in my book, losing points for an incomprehensible plot and extras that, while good, require a guide book to find many of them (eg. the beowulf story arc).
FFT is also not technically a Square RPG: while licensed by them, the dev team was actually bought out from the Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre team at Quest, which is where the gameplay decisions came from.
All told, the only "RPGs" I can really touch nowadays are the portable variety, given my lack of time. The remade Fire Emblem series of games are, in my opinion, far and beyond the quality of FFT.
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Lianne Marten
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12-17-2005 21:55
FF6!
Yaaaouch! Seafood Soup!
And since it was on the Xbox, i'll throw out Knights of the Old Republic 1, even though it was so much better on the PC. If you want the best plot out of any game ever, don't look any further.
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Aliasi Stonebender
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12-18-2005 13:32
From: Jeffrey Gomez FFT would be on this list, if not for the difference in genre. It is an "almost" RPG in my book, losing points for an incomprehensible plot and extras that, while good, require a guide book to find many of them (eg. the beowulf story arc).
I dunno, it's not so much the plot is incomprehensible (it's actually fairly easy to follow!) it's that it was so badly translated. Luckily, I've had to deal with a lot of poor Japanese->English translations in my life. 
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Eggy Lippmann
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12-18-2005 19:00
FF7 is the best RPG evar. FF8 is too long and gets boring, I've never been able to finish it... actually I think my FF8 CDs already died. Goodness, the hours I've lost just because some idiot thought the animations were so pretty they should damn well be unabridged and unskippable.
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Susie Boffin
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12-18-2005 19:05
OK I will admit that I am Tifa in real life and just wanted some free publicity. 
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Edav Roark
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12-18-2005 19:13
Elder Scrolls: Oblivion looks like it could very good, but only time will tell.
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Jeffrey Gomez
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12-18-2005 19:20
From: Eggy Lippmann FF7 is the best RPG evar. FF8 is too long and gets boring, I've never been able to finish it... actually I think my FF8 CDs already died. Goodness, the hours I've lost just because some idiot thought the animations were so pretty they should damn well be unabridged and unskippable. Which is why I shut off the game, threw the CDs into my computer drive, and ripped the movies so I could watch the whole thing and skip the tedious end sequence entirely.
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Lisa Trudeau
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12-18-2005 19:23
FF3 is the absolute best, IMO, followed very closely by FF7
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Lianne Marten
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12-18-2005 19:38
From: Edav Roark Elder Scrolls: Oblivion looks like it could very good, but only time will tell. Another that will be better on PC, but at least the console version allows you to hype it up on lists like these  Stupid delay... 3 months... that's only 92 days... 2208 Hours... 132480 Minutes... 7948800 Seconds! Almost no time at all! *cries*
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Enoch Lameth
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12-19-2005 00:53
Funny -- I always considered FF4 to be the pinnacle. Not like the more advanced games were bad (My god, these games are awesome!), but I thought that #7's character motivation, when it was even approached, felt very artificial.
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Eggy Lippmann
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12-19-2005 03:36
From: Enoch Lameth Funny -- I always considered FF4 to be the pinnacle. Not like the more advanced games were bad (My god, these games are awesome!), but I thought that #7's character motivation, when it was even approached, felt very artificial. FF4 rawked  I also had a rather good time beating FF3j, a little slow at first but the end battle was the most fun I ever had in an RPG. Those ancient games were a lot more challenging. And of course Dragon Warrior will always hold a special place in my heart. I beat that shit so many times. On the PC side, well, I just played through Ultima Underworld 1 and 2 back to back. God those games are long, I started last summer  IMHO the first one was a lot better. Unbelievably, I never really got into Ultima 7, universally hailed OMG BEST EVAR though I went really far in Ultima 8, which was rather good until the point in the game where you need to cast fire magic and every damn reagent has to be aligned on the damn pentagram down to the last pixel. I just gave up and never finished it.
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Torley Linden
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12-19-2005 04:04
A few memories from me...
Final Fantasy VII's battle music, and some of the other long tunes, are heavily influenced by the band Emerson, Lake, and Palmer. I used to tell this to my friends at the time, but they didn't believe me—nor did they know who the heck ELP was! Some of them were finally convinced some years later, when Nobuo Uematsu (the legendary composer of a lot of FF music) said they, Mike Oldfield, and several other prog artists from the 70s had indeed influenced his scores.
I got Dragon Warrior for free with a subscription to Nintendo Power, which was a great publication at the time. I thot the whole idea of a battery backed-up cartridge was pretty kewl—none of that "type in a long password" schtuff! I remember killing lots of blue slimes and green slimes (ahhh palette swaping), and of course, the experience point-giving metal slime. I also stripped myself down to the lowest equipment, which included a bamboo pole as weapon I think, and went and still slew the Dragon Lord.
FF1 was even better for me. I lurved in the packaging, how it came with this big poster of all the enemies in the game. Most of them, anyway, with a big silhouette and a ? for CHAOS, the last boss. Ahhh, bosses. That's one thing Wikipedia has a leg up on, compared to Encyclopedia Britannica.
Final Fantasy battle music continued to amaze me through the years. I have great difficulty putting together a "best of" list, just 'cuz there are so many memorable ones. Altho, Atma Weapon's theme in FF6 is pretty kickass in a chopped-up way, and "The Decisive Battle" was a fave of mine to play on piano. Very tuneful, inspiring courage.
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12-19-2005 05:37
From: Torley Torgeson FF1 was even better for me. I lurved in the packaging, how it came with this big poster of all the enemies in the game. Most of them, anyway, with a big silhouette and a ? for CHAOS, the last boss. Ahhh, bosses. That's one thing Wikipedia has a leg up on, compared to Encyclopedia Britannica.
I love FF1.
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Kris Ritter
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12-19-2005 05:41
Well, it's been described as an RPG in more than one place, although doesn't bear any resemblance to FF - so my all time vote is with 'Kameo: Elements of Power' on Xbox360. It roxxorz.
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Eggy Lippmann
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12-19-2005 06:01
1)xbox is not a console, it's a cleverly disguised pc  2)xbox==microsoft==evil </troll> 
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Logan Bauer
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12-19-2005 06:12
I liked good ol' FF4 on the SNES, and Chrono Trigger... Never was that impressed with FF7 but that's just me... I was too busy playing Xenogears and Chrono Cross... 
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Kris Ritter
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12-19-2005 06:13
From: Eggy Lippmann 1)xbox is not a console, it's a cleverly disguised pc  2)xbox==microsoft==evil </troll>  I don't friggin care. And I don't much care for M$ either. But it blows anything else out of the water, including pc's (in that the Xbox360 versions of the games include features even the PC ones do not because the hardware allows it, before anyone starts whining about my comparison  ) for now. I <3 my 360, and will prolly <3 my PS3 when that comes out too.
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12-19-2005 08:13
From: Kris Ritter I don't friggin care. And I don't much care for M$ either. But it blows anything else out of the water, including pc's (in that the Xbox360 versions of the games include features even the PC ones do not because the hardware allows it, before anyone starts whining about my comparison  ) for now. Like?
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